I was only still watching Legends and Black Lightning. What even is left of the Arrowverse? Stargirl and the Lois and Clark thing? Are Flash or Supergirl still things?
I was only still watching Legends and Black Lightning. What even is left of the Arrowverse? Stargirl and the Lois and Clark thing? Are Flash or Supergirl still things?
Currently only The Flash, Stargirl and Superman & Lois.
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I was only still watching Legends and Black Lightning. What even is left of the Arrowverse? Stargirl and the Lois and Clark thing? Are Flash or Supergirl still things?
Currently only The Flash, Stargirl and Superman & Lois.
Gotcha. I stopped watching The Flash in I think season 3. Because it was, you know, terrible.
I guess I'll wait to see if Sarah Lance is able to emigrate to another show.
I was only still watching Legends and Black Lightning. What even is left of the Arrowverse? Stargirl and the Lois and Clark thing? Are Flash or Supergirl still things?
Currently only The Flash, Stargirl and Superman & Lois.
Is Stargirl Arrowverse? I thought it was at most peripherally related, like Titans and Doom Patrol.
You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
I was only still watching Legends and Black Lightning. What even is left of the Arrowverse? Stargirl and the Lois and Clark thing? Are Flash or Supergirl still things?
Currently only The Flash, Stargirl and Superman & Lois.
Is Stargirl Arrowverse? I thought it was at most peripherally related, like Titans and Doom Patrol.
You're right, it's an alternate Earth-2. So I guess only Flash and S&L are left.
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Then again, Superman & Lois would seem to be totally divorced from the other shows, save for that random Diggle appearance last season.
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Calling Star Girl part of the Arrowverse is pretty tenuous. The only link it has is a tiny fan service recycled footage cameo in the Crisis crossover. Which Titans and Doom Patrol also had. You might as well say that the Justice League movie is part of the Arrowverse, because it at least had an even bigger appearance.
Personally, I’d just stick to considering “any show that regularly crosses over and acknowledges the others” part of the Arrowverse. Which is basically Flash and just baaaaarely Superman & Lois.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Then again, Superman & Lois would seem to be totally divorced from the other shows, save for that random Diggle appearance last season.
I just want Kara to show up once. Just once. Doesn't even need to be anything other than a cameo at Christmas, just want to see Superman, Superboy(s?) and Supergirl hang as a family.
I know the pandemic did a number on crossovers, but Superman & Lois doesn’t even acknowledge the other shows exist.
Supergirl at least tried, with all the “Superman is off-planet” or “Superman is dealing with disasters on the other side of the world“ reasons for him being off-screen.
At the same time, I’m not sure how well, let’s say, the established Lex Luthor would fit in with this Superman.
Stargirl is a CW show based on DC Comics. Regardless of whether or not it is Arrowverse canon, it is so similar to the other shows discussed in this thread that it would feel weird talking about it anywhere else.
They're all in Time Jail, so Sara is going nowhere.
You know, the Legends spending the rest of their lives in Time Prison because Booster Gold snitched on them seems like a thematically appropriate and just end to their story. It's not really a cliffhanger at all. It's just a bunch of upstarts who repeatedly played God getting what they deserve.
Stargirl is a CW show based on DC Comics. Regardless of whether or not it is Arrowverse canon, it is so similar to the other shows discussed in this thread that it would feel weird talking about it anywhere else.
They're all in Time Jail, so Sara is going nowhere.
You know, the Legends spending the rest of their lives in Time Prison because Booster Gold snitched on them seems like a thematically appropriate and just end to their story. It's not really a cliffhanger at all. It's just a bunch of upstarts who repeatedly played God getting what they deserve.
Legends was the most fun of the shows. It wasn't "good" but it also wasn't trying to be. It was a ridiculous premise that it eventually leaned in to. It had run its course, but was fun while it lasted. Beebo for life!
At this point I think it's safe to look at the last Crisis crossover as the conclusion of the Arrowverse - the actual one, not that last Flash half-attempt. After that it's been nothing but cancelations or REALLY dodgy quality (Flash/Batwoman) in the seasons.
Superman & Lois is pretty great, but is so disconnected it might as well be an Elseworlds.
All in all it was a pretty comic-historic era in television with some great stuff in there. Couldn't last forever, and honestly it was probably time for it to come to an end.
I was only still watching Legends and Black Lightning. What even is left of the Arrowverse? Stargirl and the Lois and Clark thing? Are Flash or Supergirl still things?
Currently only The Flash, Stargirl and Superman & Lois.
Is Stargirl Arrowverse? I thought it was at most peripherally related, like Titans and Doom Patrol.
For what its worth, Doom Patrol is shown alongside the resetting of the arrowverse. I dont remember if they did titans or not. But everything is arrowverse if the actors will show up for a cameo and they can get the rights approval. Were just a cross show event away to re-linking everyone with the flash. They went to the effort to let flash know theres other universes still for a reason.
I really wanted Alice from batwoman to go on Legends. She was probably the best part of the show for a while.
The backhalf of this season really hit its stride after a rocky start. I'm glad they've finally started bringing the Cushings in on the secret. Soon they won't have to do separate, unreleated plots just to keep them on the show.
Also, seeing Jordan get his first win against a superpowered opponent was special. He better be in the suit by the end of the season.
They really should not have given the Cushings two kids; the younger one is only noticeable in her perpetual absence.
I swear sometimes it feels like even the writers forget she exists.
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Honestly, they could change the actress for the other kid for every appearance and I wouldn’t even notice because it’s so infrequent and inconsequential.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Saw the first episode of Naomi, which is about an interracially adopted black girl who is smart, popular, nerdy, and well-adjusted. Just a great set-up.
I watched the first few episodes... it wasn't great? Everyone just felt kind of flat delivery-wise, and every time Naomi's friends were on screen “you look like the attractive yet non-threatening, richly diverse cast of a CW show.” just kept echoing in my head. Also because there were so many of them.
Maybe it got better as the season went on, but I didn't stick around to see.
I watched the first few episodes... it wasn't great? Everyone just felt kind of flat delivery-wise, and every time Naomi's friends were on screen “you look like the attractive yet non-threatening, richly diverse cast of a CW show.” just kept echoing in my head. Also because there were so many of them.
Maybe it got better as the season went on, but I didn't stick around to see.
I only watched the one episode so far, but I was pleasantly surprised that a nerdy black queer girl protaginist was allowed to be popular and well-adjusted. No bullies, no homophobes, nobody shitting on her hobby excessively... Like, even the romantic quadrangle they set up only had minor sniping/angst ("I like all of them for different reasons" and they all turn out to help).
Superman & Lois confirmed their spot in the Beebo-verse in the season finale this week.
S&L is takes place on one of the non-Earth Prime Earths that runs parallel. Which means that my hopes for Benoist to show up as Kara for a Christmas episode have been expertly dashed.
They still get a Diggle though, and he still works for ARGUS.
Superman & Lois confirmed their spot in the Beebo-verse in the season finale this week.
S&L is takes place on one of the non-Earth Prime Earths that runs parallel. Which means that my hopes for Benoist to show up as Kara for a Christmas episode have been expertly dashed.
They still get a Diggle though, and he still works for ARGUS.
In hindsight, Crisis should have ended the Arrowverse, simply because nearly everything got cancelled soon after.
Batwoman, Legends, Supergirl, Arrow, Black Lightening all ended within 18 months of Crisis, with Flash barely treading water and Stargirl and Superman and Lois just starting out.
Knowing what we know now, it would have been interesting to end all the original shows with Crisis, then just start a new universe with S&L and Stargirl. They don't have to be in the same Earth, but at least you can have a clean slate with the shows.
I stopped watching Flash this season because its just been so bad. Youtube keeps recommending me these 3 minute long "x moment from this season" that CW puts out 3-4 times a season and I feel completely caught up just from reading the video titles.
I'm still bummed about Legends. I always looked forward to whatever stupid bullshit they were going to trip into every week.
I dropped Flash during its third season and never looked back. Season 2 of Superman & Lois was deeply flawed, but at least it didn't repeat the same plotline.
I think they've figured out that shared universes are more trouble than they're worth. You get the occasional awesome crossover, but then the rest of the time you have to ignore or explain why no disasters are averted with time travel, or why no-one calls the Flash for a fast evacuation when it'd be really, really handy.
The practical difficulties of filming it make it harder than herding cats, and it's just not worth it outside of very special occasions.
I gave up on the idea outside of the special episodes when they had a nuclear strike on US soil in Arrow, and no-one on Flash even mentioned it happening. You'd expect that to make the news.
Especially when it would have been a perfect chance for the 'Flash evacuates an entire town's population before the blast can hit them' thing.
In hindsight, Crisis should have ended the Arrowverse, simply because nearly everything got cancelled soon after.
Batwoman, Legends, Supergirl, Arrow, Black Lightening all ended within 18 months of Crisis, with Flash barely treading water and Stargirl and Superman and Lois just starting out.
Knowing what we know now, it would have been interesting to end all the original shows with Crisis, then just start a new universe with S&L and Stargirl. They don't have to be in the same Earth, but at least you can have a clean slate with the shows.
My head-canon is that the Arrowverse run ended at that last shot of the table at the end of Crisis.
Natural place to stop, most of it kind of went to shit after - it's just better than the limping along that followed.
I think that it was a mix of COVID fucking the planet, and also the network being sold off that killed everything. The pandemic made travelling and filming a nightmare, and selling the network means new bosses don't want to deal with the old shows. Plus at the very least, s8 for Legends meant new contracts for Sara and Gideon, if not the rest of the cast/crew.
Flash needs to end with him running into the speedforce with the intention of causing another flashpoint, then just not showing what results.
Then whatever show they come up with next can claim to be in canon.
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Gotcha. I stopped watching The Flash in I think season 3. Because it was, you know, terrible.
I guess I'll wait to see if Sarah Lance is able to emigrate to another show.
Is Stargirl Arrowverse? I thought it was at most peripherally related, like Titans and Doom Patrol.
You're right, it's an alternate Earth-2. So I guess only Flash and S&L are left.
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Then again, Superman & Lois would seem to be totally divorced from the other shows, save for that random Diggle appearance last season.
Personally, I’d just stick to considering “any show that regularly crosses over and acknowledges the others” part of the Arrowverse. Which is basically Flash and just baaaaarely Superman & Lois.
Maybe Tal-Ro can come.
Supergirl at least tried, with all the “Superman is off-planet” or “Superman is dealing with disasters on the other side of the world“ reasons for him being off-screen.
At the same time, I’m not sure how well, let’s say, the established Lex Luthor would fit in with this Superman.
Oh god, that means Legends ended just like
At this point I think it's safe to look at the last Crisis crossover as the conclusion of the Arrowverse - the actual one, not that last Flash half-attempt. After that it's been nothing but cancelations or REALLY dodgy quality (Flash/Batwoman) in the seasons.
Superman & Lois is pretty great, but is so disconnected it might as well be an Elseworlds.
All in all it was a pretty comic-historic era in television with some great stuff in there. Couldn't last forever, and honestly it was probably time for it to come to an end.
Says it all.
This was their best fucking show. I just don't get it.
For what its worth, Doom Patrol is shown alongside the resetting of the arrowverse. I dont remember if they did titans or not. But everything is arrowverse if the actors will show up for a cameo and they can get the rights approval. Were just a cross show event away to re-linking everyone with the flash. They went to the effort to let flash know theres other universes still for a reason.
I really wanted Alice from batwoman to go on Legends. She was probably the best part of the show for a while.
Also, seeing Jordan get his first win against a superpowered opponent was special. He better be in the suit by the end of the season.
Superman: Well, maybe she should have. She was selling drugs!
Sheesh. Clark Kent? More like Narc Kent.
I swear sometimes it feels like even the writers forget she exists.
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Can't wait to binge...wait, cancelled? Fuck.
Maybe it got better as the season went on, but I didn't stick around to see.
I only watched the one episode so far, but I was pleasantly surprised that a nerdy black queer girl protaginist was allowed to be popular and well-adjusted. No bullies, no homophobes, nobody shitting on her hobby excessively... Like, even the romantic quadrangle they set up only had minor sniping/angst ("I like all of them for different reasons" and they all turn out to help).
Dunno, seemed like an anti-CW set-up.
They still get a Diggle though, and he still works for ARGUS.
Which is dumb and makes no sense.
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I thought they wanted to do a second event to get the remaining shows onto the same Earth.
Then, y’know, COVID.
So honestly, keeping them separate while it’s still more difficult to actually have a crossover is a decision I can live with.
Okay, I guess the portals could technically be in other places, but it just feels wrong.
Batwoman, Legends, Supergirl, Arrow, Black Lightening all ended within 18 months of Crisis, with Flash barely treading water and Stargirl and Superman and Lois just starting out.
Knowing what we know now, it would have been interesting to end all the original shows with Crisis, then just start a new universe with S&L and Stargirl. They don't have to be in the same Earth, but at least you can have a clean slate with the shows.
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I'm still bummed about Legends. I always looked forward to whatever stupid bullshit they were going to trip into every week.
The practical difficulties of filming it make it harder than herding cats, and it's just not worth it outside of very special occasions.
I gave up on the idea outside of the special episodes when they had a nuclear strike on US soil in Arrow, and no-one on Flash even mentioned it happening. You'd expect that to make the news.
Especially when it would have been a perfect chance for the 'Flash evacuates an entire town's population before the blast can hit them' thing.
My head-canon is that the Arrowverse run ended at that last shot of the table at the end of Crisis.
Natural place to stop, most of it kind of went to shit after - it's just better than the limping along that followed.
Ruby Rose quit, Black Lightening and Supergirl (which included J'onn) ended, and Ryan Choi just didn't go anywhere.
All thats left is Barry now that Sara Lance and The Legends are canceled/in jail.
Coran Attack!
Then whatever show they come up with next can claim to be in canon.