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[Crypto and NFTs and associated garbage] Still can't figure out good uses for Blockchain

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Crypto started the year contributing to a revolt in Kazakhstan, looks like it started as it means to go on.

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    TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane The Djinnerator At the bottom of a bottleRegistered User regular
    Ethereum co-founder says every ‘average smallholder’ impacted by Terra’s stablecoin crash should be made whole, cites FDIC’s $250,000 as ‘precedent’
    Buterin retweeted the user on Saturday, saying: “Strongly support this. Coordinated sympathy and relief for the average UST smallholder who got told something dumb about ‘20% interest rates on the US dollar’ by an influencer, personal responsibility and SFYL [or sorry for your loss] for the wealthy.”

    He added that the “obvious precedent is FDIC insurance,” being “up to $250,000 per person.”

    Hrmmmm....

    HRMMMMM...

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Ethereum co-founder says every ‘average smallholder’ impacted by Terra’s stablecoin crash should be made whole, cites FDIC’s $250,000 as ‘precedent’
    Buterin retweeted the user on Saturday, saying: “Strongly support this. Coordinated sympathy and relief for the average UST smallholder who got told something dumb about ‘20% interest rates on the US dollar’ by an influencer, personal responsibility and SFYL [or sorry for your loss] for the wealthy.”

    He added that the “obvious precedent is FDIC insurance,” being “up to $250,000 per person.”

    Hrmmmm....

    HRMMMMM...

    Haha, ah yeah, rugged individualists begging for government handouts. You love to see it.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    It's like he doesn't know what FDIC even means!

    ...and when you are done with that; take a folding
    chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
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    evilmrhenryevilmrhenry Registered User regular
    Ethereum co-founder says every ‘average smallholder’ impacted by Terra’s stablecoin crash should be made whole, cites FDIC’s $250,000 as ‘precedent’
    Buterin retweeted the user on Saturday, saying: “Strongly support this. Coordinated sympathy and relief for the average UST smallholder who got told something dumb about ‘20% interest rates on the US dollar’ by an influencer, personal responsibility and SFYL [or sorry for your loss] for the wealthy.”

    He added that the “obvious precedent is FDIC insurance,” being “up to $250,000 per person.”

    Hrmmmm....

    HRMMMMM...

    FDIC:
    Federal
    Deposit
    Insurance
    Corporation
    The FDIC is funded by banks and similar that pay for coverage. The legislative involvement is mostly in requiring this coverage.

    Honestly, I say go for it. It'll be funny to watch the crypto crowd try to convince someone who knows what they're doing that the latest crypto bullshit is a reasonable thing to insure. They don't even need to get the feds involved. They could simply attempt to convince a private insurance company to create an insurance product to protect against price crashes, and it would be just as funny.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    Funny seeing the same kind of people that praised decentralization and lack of oversight/regulations now expecting some kind of protection against getting screwed over.

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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Ethereum co-founder says every ‘average smallholder’ impacted by Terra’s stablecoin crash should be made whole, cites FDIC’s $250,000 as ‘precedent’
    Buterin retweeted the user on Saturday, saying: “Strongly support this. Coordinated sympathy and relief for the average UST smallholder who got told something dumb about ‘20% interest rates on the US dollar’ by an influencer, personal responsibility and SFYL [or sorry for your loss] for the wealthy.”

    He added that the “obvious precedent is FDIC insurance,” being “up to $250,000 per person.”

    Hrmmmm....

    HRMMMMM...

    FDIC:
    Federal
    Deposit
    Insurance
    Corporation
    The FDIC is funded by banks and similar that pay for coverage. The legislative involvement is mostly in requiring this coverage.

    Honestly, I say go for it. It'll be funny to watch the crypto crowd try to convince someone who knows what they're doing that the latest crypto bullshit is a reasonable thing to insure. They don't even need to get the feds involved. They could simply attempt to convince a private insurance company to create an insurance product to protect against price crashes, and it would be just as funny.

    The Crypto Coin Insurance Company you created sounds like a great scam, you better hop to before someone else does it first!

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Ethereum co-founder says every ‘average smallholder’ impacted by Terra’s stablecoin crash should be made whole, cites FDIC’s $250,000 as ‘precedent’
    Buterin retweeted the user on Saturday, saying: “Strongly support this. Coordinated sympathy and relief for the average UST smallholder who got told something dumb about ‘20% interest rates on the US dollar’ by an influencer, personal responsibility and SFYL [or sorry for your loss] for the wealthy.”

    He added that the “obvious precedent is FDIC insurance,” being “up to $250,000 per person.”

    Hrmmmm....

    HRMMMMM...

    FDIC:
    Federal
    Deposit
    Insurance
    Corporation
    The FDIC is funded by banks and similar that pay for coverage. The legislative involvement is mostly in requiring this coverage.

    Honestly, I say go for it. It'll be funny to watch the crypto crowd try to convince someone who knows what they're doing that the latest crypto bullshit is a reasonable thing to insure. They don't even need to get the feds involved. They could simply attempt to convince a private insurance company to create an insurance product to protect against price crashes, and it would be just as funny.

    The Crypto Coin Insurance Company you created sounds like a great scam, you better hop to before someone else does it first!

    Oh shit, sell NFTs so people can be in the ground floor. Write a smart contract to automate everything.
    by which I mean filing a claim transfers the insurees entire wallet to the insurer

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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    For a monthly fee, our new service will provide you peace of mind, and will insure your cryptocoins up to 75% of their current value*!

    What's that, your coins are worth $0 because it was a rug pull? Well, 0.75 * 0 = 0 so, sorry, better luck next time

    *current price to be defined as the lowest value during a 120 day period

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    It's like he doesn't know what FDIC even means!

    To be fair, his actual suggestion was to prioritize paying out to the smaller accounts first, those under a certain amount, with the whales being left to deal. He said that they could cover the lower 99.7% being able to be covered with the remaining money

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    If he said SIPC it would be a little less funny, but he probably only knows FDIC because he sees the signs at the bank.

    SIPC is the similar insurance that stock brokers have to carry, and it does cover stock portfolios to a pretty reasonable degree.

    It's still pretty funny, because

    A. Like the FDIC and NCUA, brokers have to pay for it. And they have to pay for it BEFORE they go belly up, it isn't retroactive.
    B. It covers the broker failing, not your stocks failing. If you bought ScamFraud LTD and it turned out to be a scam, the SIPC don't give a fuck.

    Hevach on
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    A take from Twitter:


    HONEY GET IN HERE THE LIBERTARIANS ARE DISCOVERING THE BASIS OF FINANCIAL REGULATIONS AGAIN

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Is this the warlock need co-founder or is there another one?

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Is this the warlock need co-founder or is there another one?

    There are 4-5 guys credited with working on the total ethereum suite, but yes, the article quotes Vitalik Buterin, who was indeed a warlock main.

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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    A take from Twitter:
    HONEY GET IN HERE THE LIBERTARIANS ARE DISCOVERING THE BASIS OF FINANCIAL REGULATIONS AGAIN

    Dropping the "But what if I told you, that entity, was the US Government!" as the last and biggest applause line in your TED talk

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    The problem of trying to recreate the FDIC isn't the insurance aspect.

    The entire reason the FDIC can work is because the Federal government has the power to print new fiat currency to replace lost fiat currency. In order for there to be a block chain equivalent, you need the able to print new crypto on the fly, which defies the entire reason that crypto exists in the first place.

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    Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Isn't part of the issue that they want to replace their Ethereum funbux with real money? Said monies being created in the first place to replace the real money?

    Isn't the crash really about how nobody wants to buy Ethereum for the same amount of real money that the investors paid? Don't they still have the crypto?

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Isn't part of the issue that they want to replace their Ethereum funbux with real money? Said monies being created in the first place to replace the real money?

    Isn't the crash really about how nobody wants to buy Ethereum for the same amount of real money that the investors paid? Don't they still have the crypto?
    It's Terra that they want to be compensated for. The Terra block chain was halted and is no longer running, so transactions on the chain can't happen.

    Terra in exchanges are still tradeable inside that exchange, but can't be moved on or off, anyone with coins in wallets on the block chain itself lost those coins, and also technically the exchanges lost their coins in their communal wallets, but some are still letting people trade them on the promise that the block chain will be somehow restarted. Looks like it is currently trading at $0.0001881 on the exchanges that haven't delisted it.

    Terra is a dollar-pegged stable coin.

    Hevach on
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    marajimaraji Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Isn't part of the issue that they want to replace their Ethereum funbux with real money? Said monies being created in the first place to replace the real money?

    Isn't the crash really about how nobody wants to buy Ethereum for the same amount of real money that the investors paid? Don't they still have the crypto?
    It's Terra that they want to be compensated for. The Terra block chain was halted and is no longer running, so transactions on the chain can't happen.

    Terra in exchanges are still tradeable inside that exchange, but can't be moved on or off. Looks like it is currently trading at $0.0001881.

    Terra is a dollar-pegged stable coin.
    So they still have the crypto, just the chain is halted because they don’t want anyone to “see” its value?

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    maraji wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Isn't part of the issue that they want to replace their Ethereum funbux with real money? Said monies being created in the first place to replace the real money?

    Isn't the crash really about how nobody wants to buy Ethereum for the same amount of real money that the investors paid? Don't they still have the crypto?
    It's Terra that they want to be compensated for. The Terra block chain was halted and is no longer running, so transactions on the chain can't happen.

    Terra in exchanges are still tradeable inside that exchange, but can't be moved on or off. Looks like it is currently trading at $0.0001881.

    Terra is a dollar-pegged stable coin.
    So they still have the crypto, just the chain is halted because they don’t want anyone to “see” its value?

    The chain doesn't actually show the value, that's shown on exchanges. The chain allows new coins to be created or coins to move between wallets. If it were dollars it would be the Fed. The Fed doesn't give dollars value, it creates them and gives them full freedom of movement.

    But because most coins primarily move inside of exchange databases where they sit in communal wallets and don't move on the chain, coins have limited freedom of movement with the chain halted. Indeed there's a few stable coins where it's doubtful a real chain even exists because nobody actually has access to it and billions of them just get magically airdropped on exchanges every time something crashes.

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    evilmrhenryevilmrhenry Registered User regular
    The problem of trying to recreate the FDIC isn't the insurance aspect.

    The entire reason the FDIC can work is because the Federal government has the power to print new fiat currency to replace lost fiat currency. In order for there to be a block chain equivalent, you need the able to print new crypto on the fly, which defies the entire reason that crypto exists in the first place.

    This isn't an issue. You can simply insure the investment as an investment priced in dollars. If it crashes, you get reimbursed in dollars. The problem is all the sketchy stuff around crypto increases risk, which increases the cost of insurance. So either the cost of insurance becomes absurd, or the regulations needed for insurance to even touch it becomes absurd.

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    GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    The problem of trying to recreate the FDIC isn't the insurance aspect.

    The entire reason the FDIC can work is because the Federal government has the power to print new fiat currency to replace lost fiat currency. In order for there to be a block chain equivalent, you need the able to print new crypto on the fly, which defies the entire reason that crypto exists in the first place.

    This isn't an issue. You can simply insure the investment as an investment priced in dollars. If it crashes, you get reimbursed in dollars. The problem is all the sketchy stuff around crypto increases risk, which increases the cost of insurance. So either the cost of insurance becomes absurd, or the regulations needed for insurance to even touch it becomes absurd.

    Or and this is just an idea; you insure everything in Dogecoin.

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Yeah like, the FDIC isn't some basic insurance. That system works because the FDIC gets to audit the banks to make sure risk is being limited, that the books aren't being cooked, and gets to require specific amounts of cash reserves.
    And the FDIC usually doesn't even pay out when a bank fails, instead they have the power to arrange for a different bank to take over the accounts (and debts). Them cutting checks to individuals is pretty rare.

    Regulatory power: good actually.

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Gaddez was warned for this.
    So, not sure if this was discussed or not in the last thread but Crypto appears to have had an impact on gaming fairly recently:
    https://cnbc.com/2022/05/03/tomb-raider-publisher-square-enix-to-sell-iconic-video-game-franchise.html
    The iconic Tomb Raider video game franchise is being sold by its Japanese publisher Square Enix as part of a $300 million deal.

    Square Enix said Monday it will offload three of its game development studios — Eidos Interactive, Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix Montreal — to Swedish firm Embracer Group.

    Embracer will also acquire the intellectual property for Tomb Raider and three other game series, including Deux Ex, Thief and Legacy of Kain.

    Square Enix said it is selling the assets to cut down on costs amid a challenging global business environment, while also investing in new technologies like the blockchain.

    Like... This whole thing is insane; you have Squeenix selling multiple IPs (one of which was halfway through development) along with multiple studios, staff and multiple brick and mortar properties for a pittance so that you can invest in a market that your consumers loathe and is even now crashing.

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    marajimaraji Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Gaddez wrote: »
    So, not sure if this was discussed or not in the last thread but Crypto appears to have had an impact on gaming fairly recently:
    https://cnbc.com/2022/05/03/tomb-raider-publisher-square-enix-to-sell-iconic-video-game-franchise.html
    The iconic Tomb Raider video game franchise is being sold by its Japanese publisher Square Enix as part of a $300 million deal.

    Square Enix said Monday it will offload three of its game development studios — Eidos Interactive, Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix Montreal — to Swedish firm Embracer Group.

    Embracer will also acquire the intellectual property for Tomb Raider and three other game series, including Deux Ex, Thief and Legacy of Kain.

    Square Enix said it is selling the assets to cut down on costs amid a challenging global business environment, while also investing in new technologies like the blockchain.

    Like... This whole thing is insane; you have Squeenix selling multiple IPs (one of which was halfway through development) along with multiple studios, staff and multiple brick and mortar properties for a pittance so that you can invest in a market that your consumers loathe and is even now crashing.

    Madness. Madness and stupidity.
    I know Deus Ex was already pretty much gone, but this makes me sad :(

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    maraji wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    So, not sure if this was discussed or not in the last thread but Crypto appears to have had an impact on gaming fairly recently:
    https://cnbc.com/2022/05/03/tomb-raider-publisher-square-enix-to-sell-iconic-video-game-franchise.html
    The iconic Tomb Raider video game franchise is being sold by its Japanese publisher Square Enix as part of a $300 million deal.

    Square Enix said Monday it will offload three of its game development studios — Eidos Interactive, Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix Montreal — to Swedish firm Embracer Group.

    Embracer will also acquire the intellectual property for Tomb Raider and three other game series, including Deux Ex, Thief and Legacy of Kain.

    Square Enix said it is selling the assets to cut down on costs amid a challenging global business environment, while also investing in new technologies like the blockchain.

    Like... This whole thing is insane; you have Squeenix selling multiple IPs (one of which was halfway through development) along with multiple studios, staff and multiple brick and mortar properties for a pittance so that you can invest in a market that your consumers loathe and is even now crashing.

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    I know Deus Ex was already pretty much gone, but this makes me sad :(

    I mean, from where I'm standing it's chances only get better at this point; you have a bunch of back catalogue titles that the heads of Square forgot about ages ago having a chance at getting development. Like Christ the last thing anyone did with Legacy of Kain was Nosgoth, a free to play team deathmatch and thief had a "blink and you missed it" release 8 years ago.

    Meanwhile Square is just so eager to burn piles of money on a final stage ponzi scheme.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    That was just to please the stockholders. The new stated reason for the sale is to buy/establish new studios.

    Though the actual reason is "we never could figure out how to make them profitable enough, especially with Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy bombing, and now we're sick of them." But they couldn't say that because it would lower the sale price.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    That was just to please the stockholders. The new stated reason for the sale is to buy/establish new studios.

    Though the actual reason is "we never could figure out how to make them profitable enough, especially with Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy bombing, and now we're sick of them." But they couldn't say that because it would lower the sale price.

    I mean, even if they weren't making a profit, $300M is still peanuts for the IPs alone.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    @Gaddez please edit out the 3MB gif. @Maraji please edit out the quote of the 3MB gif.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    That was just to please the stockholders. The new stated reason for the sale is to buy/establish new studios.

    Though the actual reason is "we never could figure out how to make them profitable enough, especially with Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy bombing, and now we're sick of them." But they couldn't say that because it would lower the sale price.

    I mean, even if they weren't making a profit, $300M is still peanuts for the IPs alone.

    Again, the removal of Deus Ex from Squeenix's stupid, greedy claws is the best thing to happen to that IP since Human Revolution.

    Maybe we'll get a game without their constant desire to monetize fucking everything, at the cost of having a good game.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Something else might be going on here. Corporations don't sell off assets for cash like that unless they are desperate or fleecing the buyer. I wonder if Square has a bad earnings statement on the horizon.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Something else might be going on here. Corporations don't sell off assets for cash like that unless they are desperate or fleecing the buyer. I wonder if Square has a bad earnings statement on the horizon.

    Probably not - their last annual earnings report came out yesterday and they made a ton of money.

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    DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Butters wrote: »
    Something else might be going on here. Corporations don't sell off assets for cash like that unless they are desperate or fleecing the buyer. I wonder if Square has a bad earnings statement on the horizon.

    It's a longer story not for this thread, but effectively they dont tell the truth in public statements. The properties they sold, always sold very well, but the company kept reporting losses, and then they would blame western properties for "failing". It's believed they are cutting some fat for acquisition(probably Sony)

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Something else might be going on here. Corporations don't sell off assets for cash like that unless they are desperate or fleecing the buyer. I wonder if Square has a bad earnings statement on the horizon.

    It might be a little bit of that but I'm guessing a chunk of it was a case of "We want to get in on Crypto. But Crypto costs money to get anywhere. We don't want to direct funds to crypto. If we sell these titles No one cares about* for a fire sale price we can get money for crypto!"

    *obviously people care about these IPs, and I'm guessing they got a whole lot more then 4 with this aquisition.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Something else might be going on here. Corporations don't sell off assets for cash like that unless they are desperate or fleecing the buyer. I wonder if Square has a bad earnings statement on the horizon.

    It's a longer story not for this thread, but effectively they dont tell the truth in public statements. The properties they sold, always sold very well, but the company kept reporting losses, and then they would blame western properties for "failing". It's believed they are cutting some fat for acquisition(probably Sony)

    Believe it or not the Squeenix Tomb Raiders weren't very profitable. The first one was released in March 2013 but didn't limp across the line of profitability until the end of that year according to Scot Amos, the game's executive producer, at which point the game wasn't selling in large amounts. The games had big budgets ($100 million for the first one), so they needed to do big numbers to break even (five million for the first one).

    In that light it's not that surprising Squeenix wanted to cut bait after the Marvel bombs.

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    Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Something else might be going on here. Corporations don't sell off assets for cash like that unless they are desperate or fleecing the buyer. I wonder if Square has a bad earnings statement on the horizon.

    It's a longer story not for this thread, but effectively they dont tell the truth in public statements. The properties they sold, always sold very well, but the company kept reporting losses, and then they would blame western properties for "failing". It's believed they are cutting some fat for acquisition(probably Sony)

    I was thinking, wouldn’t Tomb Raider be attractive to Sony, as an IP that helped make the PlayStation a huge success? But then I remembered that Sony already owns an Indiana Jones knock-off. :p

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2022
    Well frens it happened to me. Got phished and had 4NFT stolen. @BoredApeYC @opensea @doodles @yugalabs please don’t buy or trade these while I work to resolve:
    @DarkWing84 looks like you bought my stolen ape- hit me up so we can fix it
    Heh heh, Seth Green's apes got funged

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Is that a for real tweet or is he like taking the piss. Its hard to tell with people in hollywood.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Is that a for real tweet or is he like taking the piss. Its hard to tell with people in hollywood.

    I had the same questions, but a quick scroll through his Twitter feed shows that, along with several references to some other NFT project, including one he's involved with that has a 1 minute commercial as the pinned Tweet.

    So, yeah. It's hardly 'omg Orson Scott Card is quite the asshole' levels, but disappointing all the same.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Alright well 9964 is never gonna leave my nightmares.

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