If you look there are late night interviews with both Arnold and Stallone where they get asked about it and their reactions are the best part to me. Stallone sighs and goes 'well, he got me good, what can you do?' where as Arnold still thinks it was funny as hell.
I watched Wendell and Wild the other day and I liked it, but the story has a lot of really rushed moments near the end as it rushes to the finale. The movie looks great with some amazing character designs and the stop motion looks really good. The cast delivers a bunch of really good performances as well so the story just being fine isn't that big of a problem when everything else is really good.
I remember the vibe being way different. Doesn't he terrify the person he saves in the beginning into a sobbing mess?
Don't the cops give him the harry eye when Gordon lets him in the crime scene?
The Adam West Batman opens with Batman and Robin flying around Gotham in the middle of the day in a helicopter with picnickers watching them and saying "Make's a fella feel good watching them work".
He also has a press conference with police after that.
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I’d have to watch The Batman again to be sure but I got more of an independent private investigator vibe rather than a cop.
If you look there are late night interviews with both Arnold and Stallone where they get asked about it and their reactions are the best part to me. Stallone sighs and goes 'well, he got me good, what can you do?' where as Arnold still thinks it was funny as hell.
well, guess Arny's right, because it's still funny as hell.
I remember the vibe being way different. Doesn't he terrify the person he saves in the beginning into a sobbing mess?
Don't the cops give him the harry eye when Gordon lets him in the crime scene?
The Adam West Batman opens with Batman and Robin flying around Gotham in the middle of the day in a helicopter with picnickers watching them and saying "Make's a fella feel good watching them work".
He also has a press conference with police after that.
I'd compare it more to the vibe beat cops give off when the detective arrives on scene. He's totally a cop.
I remember the vibe being way different. Doesn't he terrify the person he saves in the beginning into a sobbing mess?
Don't the cops give him the harry eye when Gordon lets him in the crime scene?
The Adam West Batman opens with Batman and Robin flying around Gotham in the middle of the day in a helicopter with picnickers watching them and saying "Make's a fella feel good watching them work".
He also has a press conference with police after that.
I'd compare it more to the vibe beat cops give off when the detective arrives on scene. He's totally a cop.
Nobody but Gordon trusts him or wants him around and he fights off/runs from an entire police station trying to arrest him at one point
There's definitely a conversation to be had about Batman's chumminess with the cops throughout the history of the character. But I think The Batman is at the low end of that spectrum for sure, with Batman '66 being the peak, where he's fully deputized, I think
If you look there are late night interviews with both Arnold and Stallone where they get asked about it and their reactions are the best part to me. Stallone sighs and goes 'well, he got me good, what can you do?' where as Arnold still thinks it was funny as hell.
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You better believe if I pranked my arch-rival that hard I would be laughing about it until I was six feet under.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Johnny ChopsockyScootaloo! We have to cook!Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered Userregular
Yeah that definitely feels roughly within the tradition of noir private detective to me
Yeah, Gotham PD rarely gets the "hero" portrayal in Batman media. Always feels like it's perpetually one Gordon holiday away from deciding whether to kill Batman, kill each other and everyone else in the city, or shit its pants.
Which, given how many real-life corpses (both regular folk and police, mostly regular folk) are the direct result of the Thin Blue Line mentality, feels more realistic than the usual media cops.
The Gotham Knights game was interesting in that regard, because the cops are actively hostile towards you, and the characters have an actual fight over working with a single cop.
At one point, one of them is like, "hey, they absolutely do suck, but if we're committed to this "no murder" rule, we need someone on our side that can legally put people in jail"
Remember in Dark Knight Rises when Occupy Wall Street were terrorists and a secret cabal of Good Cops helped take em down
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I try to remember as little of Dark Knight Rises as possible.
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Also when you finish one of the procedurally generated crimes around the city in Gotham Knights, the cops will usually show up a little while afterwards.
If you have not left by then, they will start shooting you.
of course I guess he does walk Falcone out of the club and directly into the arms of.... I guess the only non-crooked cops in Gotham? Not sure how Gordon got that little posse together but it's presented as a big heroic cop moment and that sucks
They then completely fail to protect Falcone and he dies immediately which feels like it might be intentionally undercutting that moment, or maybe not, it's a little sloppy
of course I guess he does walk Falcone out of the club and directly into the arms of.... I guess the only non-crooked cops in Gotham? Not sure how Gordon got that little posse together but it's presented as a big heroic cop moment and that sucks
They then completely fail to protect Falcone and he dies immediately which feels like it might be intentionally undercutting that moment, or maybe not, it's a little sloppy
The Batman spoilers
I fell that that movie undercuts itself a few times.
Like there's that great scene near the end of the second act where Batman is asking Selina for help stopping Riddler and she says "Why should I stick my neck out to help you catch him? Every single person he's killed has had it coming, and I'm tired of everything in the city revolving around the crimes of old white men." It's a cool moment of reflection. But it's really undercut when the end is Riddler's plan mostly working and hundreds or thousands or poor random Gothomites died, but since a particular rich white guy came to grips with his issues and learned to be a better Batman it's framed as a win.
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Yeah that definitely feels roughly within the tradition of noir private detective to me
Yeah, Gotham PD rarely gets the "hero" portrayal in Batman media. Always feels like it's perpetually one Gordon holiday away from deciding whether to kill Batman, kill each other and everyone else in the city, or shit its pants.
Which, given how many real-life corpses (both regular folk and police, mostly regular folk) are the direct result of the Thin Blue Line mentality, feels more realistic than the usual media cops.
John Ridley is currently doing a mini on how absolutely terrible gotham cops are and how it's also completely normal
I really liked the detective angle of The Batman, but honestly, hated just about everything else about it. I don't think it was a bad movie, but it definitely wasn't my kind of jam.
of course I guess he does walk Falcone out of the club and directly into the arms of.... I guess the only non-crooked cops in Gotham? Not sure how Gordon got that little posse together but it's presented as a big heroic cop moment and that sucks
They then completely fail to protect Falcone and he dies immediately which feels like it might be intentionally undercutting that moment, or maybe not, it's a little sloppy
The Batman spoilers
I fell that that movie undercuts itself a few times.
Like there's that great scene near the end of the second act where Batman is asking Selina for help stopping Riddler and she says "Why should I stick my neck out to help you catch him? Every single person he's killed has had it coming, and I'm tired of everything in the city revolving around the crimes of old white men." It's a cool moment of reflection. But it's really undercut when the end is Riddler's plan mostly working and hundreds or thousands or poor random Gothomites died, but since a particular rich white guy came to grips with his issues and learned to be a better Batman it's framed as a win.
The Batman
I don't think it's at all framed as a win! Bruce's realization that he's been going about this all wrong is positive personal growth but exists within a fairly bleak overall situation. I thought the movie was pretty clear this was a big failure on his part, both in missing key clues of Riddler's plan and in being so detached from the people of the city that the mob was able to take control of the renewal funds to begin with
of course I guess he does walk Falcone out of the club and directly into the arms of.... I guess the only non-crooked cops in Gotham? Not sure how Gordon got that little posse together but it's presented as a big heroic cop moment and that sucks
They then completely fail to protect Falcone and he dies immediately which feels like it might be intentionally undercutting that moment, or maybe not, it's a little sloppy
The Batman spoilers
I fell that that movie undercuts itself a few times.
Like there's that great scene near the end of the second act where Batman is asking Selina for help stopping Riddler and she says "Why should I stick my neck out to help you catch him? Every single person he's killed has had it coming, and I'm tired of everything in the city revolving around the crimes of old white men." It's a cool moment of reflection. But it's really undercut when the end is Riddler's plan mostly working and hundreds or thousands or poor random Gothomites died, but since a particular rich white guy came to grips with his issues and learned to be a better Batman it's framed as a win.
The Batman
I don't think it's at all framed as a win! Bruce's realization that he's been going about this all wrong is positive personal growth but exists within a fairly bleak overall situation. I thought the movie was pretty clear this was a big failure on his part, both in missing key clues of Riddler's plan and in being so detached from the people of the city that the mob was able to take control of the renewal funds to begin with
Yeah, the whole movie's point is that he was wrong in his approach. They attack that point from a variety of angles - the way he is operating runs counter to his stated goals, leads to a variety of undesired and unintended outcomes, and makes him (and the world) a worse place. The whole flick's about him realizing he can't be an aloof isolationist and help people. He's gotta be human, interact with humans, if he wants to help anybody.
I thought the movie was, if anything, a little too blunt in its messaging! (I still liked it quite a bit)
of course I guess he does walk Falcone out of the club and directly into the arms of.... I guess the only non-crooked cops in Gotham? Not sure how Gordon got that little posse together but it's presented as a big heroic cop moment and that sucks
They then completely fail to protect Falcone and he dies immediately which feels like it might be intentionally undercutting that moment, or maybe not, it's a little sloppy
The Batman spoilers
I fell that that movie undercuts itself a few times.
Like there's that great scene near the end of the second act where Batman is asking Selina for help stopping Riddler and she says "Why should I stick my neck out to help you catch him? Every single person he's killed has had it coming, and I'm tired of everything in the city revolving around the crimes of old white men." It's a cool moment of reflection. But it's really undercut when the end is Riddler's plan mostly working and hundreds or thousands or poor random Gothomites died, but since a particular rich white guy came to grips with his issues and learned to be a better Batman it's framed as a win.
The Batman
I don't think it's at all framed as a win! Bruce's realization that he's been going about this all wrong is positive personal growth but exists within a fairly bleak overall situation. I thought the movie was pretty clear this was a big failure on his part, both in missing key clues of Riddler's plan and in being so detached from the people of the city that the mob was able to take control of the renewal funds to begin with
The Batman
I'll admit it could just be a me thing but I didn't feel like the movie thought it was a failure. The end has Batman looking stoic on a roof helping a bunch of grateful looking people with the beautiful golden sunrise behind him. Sure felt to me like the framing was 'Batman's finally figured out how to be Batman, so all is finally well."
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On balance, I’d say the trope of Gotham’s police force being near uniformly terrible at their job, and also corrupt and brutal as fuck is probably the single most realistic aspect of the Batman mythos.
Beyond that, I’d say The Batman’s skewering of Bruce Wayne’s billionaire crime fighting side gig as an ineffective vanity project is another thread that rings fairly true.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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of course I guess he does walk Falcone out of the club and directly into the arms of.... I guess the only non-crooked cops in Gotham? Not sure how Gordon got that little posse together but it's presented as a big heroic cop moment and that sucks
They then completely fail to protect Falcone and he dies immediately which feels like it might be intentionally undercutting that moment, or maybe not, it's a little sloppy
The Batman spoilers
I fell that that movie undercuts itself a few times.
Like there's that great scene near the end of the second act where Batman is asking Selina for help stopping Riddler and she says "Why should I stick my neck out to help you catch him? Every single person he's killed has had it coming, and I'm tired of everything in the city revolving around the crimes of old white men." It's a cool moment of reflection. But it's really undercut when the end is Riddler's plan mostly working and hundreds or thousands or poor random Gothomites died, but since a particular rich white guy came to grips with his issues and learned to be a better Batman it's framed as a win.
The Batman
I don't think it's at all framed as a win! Bruce's realization that he's been going about this all wrong is positive personal growth but exists within a fairly bleak overall situation. I thought the movie was pretty clear this was a big failure on his part, both in missing key clues of Riddler's plan and in being so detached from the people of the city that the mob was able to take control of the renewal funds to begin with
The Batman
I'll admit it could just be a me thing but I didn't feel like the movie thought it was a failure. The end has Batman looking stoic on a roof helping a bunch of grateful looking people with the beautiful golden sunrise behind him. Sure felt to me like the framing was 'Batman's finally figured out how to be Batman, so all is finally well."
I took a far more somber read on that than you.
It registered more as a deconstruction of everything he had believed up until that point to me. Standing in the midsts of the rubble of his isolationist one-man crime fighting mission and realizing that he was wrong—but not that he suddenly had it all figured out. Just that he finally kind of got that his previous methods weren’t the answer.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Yeah the end result of The Batman to me was him thinking
I guess this was a bad idea. Which makes me wonder how they spin out sequels.
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The Batman
I'm hoping that the ending means that they are lean into being about 'Batman as Gotham's caretaker' rather than just the usual 'Batman punch crime good' fare. Give me the kind of Batman who would (Justice League Unlimited spoiler)
comfort a super-powered child in her final moments.
Watching Rise of the Planet of the Apes because you kept saying it's good. They made Andy Serkis do the Tower of Hanoi 😞
I love how you can hear the writers working saying okay Alzheimer's drug, how do we get it to spread? Uhh what if now it's an aerosol for no fucking reason, nailed it.
Rise of the Planet of the Apes is good because it birthed two sequels that absolutely blow it out of the water in pretty much every respect.
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I think if he wanted to become Batman it'd be pretty cool. But if he did, he'd end up being more like the Batman from Superman red son
If you look there are late night interviews with both Arnold and Stallone where they get asked about it and their reactions are the best part to me. Stallone sighs and goes 'well, he got me good, what can you do?' where as Arnold still thinks it was funny as hell.
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That was the weirdest part of the Adam West Batman movie (Which i watched last night) is that he's literally a deputy with the police.
I remember the vibe being way different. Doesn't he terrify the person he saves in the beginning into a sobbing mess?
Don't the cops give him the harry eye when Gordon lets him in the crime scene?
The Adam West Batman opens with Batman and Robin flying around Gotham in the middle of the day in a helicopter with picnickers watching them and saying "Make's a fella feel good watching them work".
He also has a press conference with police after that.
Right. A cop.
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well, guess Arny's right, because it's still funny as hell.
Since when do cops save anyone?
Even the sun shines on a dog’s ass some days
I'd compare it more to the vibe beat cops give off when the detective arrives on scene. He's totally a cop.
My dogs ass is completely hairless. The sun shines on it all the time.
Nobody but Gordon trusts him or wants him around and he fights off/runs from an entire police station trying to arrest him at one point
To be fair, it is extremely funny and remains so.
Yeah, Gotham PD rarely gets the "hero" portrayal in Batman media. Always feels like it's perpetually one Gordon holiday away from deciding whether to kill Batman, kill each other and everyone else in the city, or shit its pants.
Which, given how many real-life corpses (both regular folk and police, mostly regular folk) are the direct result of the Thin Blue Line mentality, feels more realistic than the usual media cops.
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At one point, one of them is like, "hey, they absolutely do suck, but if we're committed to this "no murder" rule, we need someone on our side that can legally put people in jail"
If you have not left by then, they will start shooting you.
I remember when all of the cops got gunned down when running towards a machine gun nest.
They then completely fail to protect Falcone and he dies immediately which feels like it might be intentionally undercutting that moment, or maybe not, it's a little sloppy
Like there's that great scene near the end of the second act where Batman is asking Selina for help stopping Riddler and she says "Why should I stick my neck out to help you catch him? Every single person he's killed has had it coming, and I'm tired of everything in the city revolving around the crimes of old white men." It's a cool moment of reflection. But it's really undercut when the end is Riddler's plan mostly working and hundreds or thousands or poor random Gothomites died, but since a particular rich white guy came to grips with his issues and learned to be a better Batman it's framed as a win.
John Ridley is currently doing a mini on how absolutely terrible gotham cops are and how it's also completely normal
The Batman
I thought the movie was, if anything, a little too blunt in its messaging! (I still liked it quite a bit)
The Batman
Beyond that, I’d say The Batman’s skewering of Bruce Wayne’s billionaire crime fighting side gig as an ineffective vanity project is another thread that rings fairly true.
I took a far more somber read on that than you.
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Rise of the Planet of the Apes is good because it birthed two sequels that absolutely blow it out of the water in pretty much every respect.