Vance pointing out overwhelmed hospitals and housing people can't afford and blames it on migrants. My button is pressed. My jimmies are russled. I've teetered on the edge of being full on homeless before and Vance can get fuuuucked.
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kaceypwe stayed bright as lightningwe sang loud as thunderRegistered Userregular
AHAHA. He just keeps TALKING. He gets dunked on a fact check on Springfield (the fact that the Haitians are there legally, and the myth that they are illegal migrants), and he just keeps doubling down on it. And then swerves into this magical application that waves a magic wand and suddenly, Kamala personally grants asylum. (The app just schedules an appointment for an interview for asylum)
Walz has obviously prepped this for the dad energy which I think is the right strategy here: I'm guessing they prepped that Vance is already disliked and the main thing they needed was to keep the Walz vibes going.
Walz: houses are "more than just an asset", meaning they aren't just for making money. I like this and only wish we go further in the future to houses not being an asset at all.
Walz is hitting more of a stride here, 30 minutes in. His earlier answers were less sure and more stilted, but this one about economic policy has him passionately and naturally speaking.
“They have PHDs but not common sense or wisdom” is a line that Vance probably thought sounded great in his head, but is just an absurd word salad in his argument.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Walz came alive when he was talking about companies selling insulin for $800 compared to when he was trying to dog walk that shit show of an immigration bill.
Vance's blaming of real, actual problems on immigrants reveals that sometimes it is economic anxiety that drives fascism. Fascist just blame The Other instead of addressing the real causes.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
We did get cheaper goods, Vance. Also, no one said anything that offshoring would protect the middle class.
Yep so Vance probably thought that was great but he's run with "let's not trust the experts". Trump's base already loves that, I'm hoping that sounds a bit weird to everyone else.
I hope most of the viewing public finds it telling who happens to keep getting fact checked.
Well a core part of republican strategy has been to lie shamelessly and then cry a river when called out on those lies, so Vance getting the lion's share of factchecking will be spun as him getting victimized by the mods, rather than him telling most of the fucking lies
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Israel right out the gate is a question nobody wants to touch.
This is two normal looking politicians so I don't think it'll move the needle is the thing.
Vance is just being a god damn lizard.
Finally did it after Walz started talking 🙄
Walz going on the offensive is a solid play.
This is how you beat gishgallop and fascists in general.
Really needle them on stupid shit. Loaded questions are garbage for structured debate, but they really throw off fascists and make them stumble.
The people in the booth are slower than the mods.
Wow, they actually did it! (Cut mics, that is.) I'm surprised they had the guts to do it.
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I'm not a believer, but if half the fucking Christians in the US actually read the damn book this would be a great country.
Walz came alive when he was talking about companies selling insulin for $800 compared to when he was trying to dog walk that shit show of an immigration bill.
Vance:Fuck Pikachu
Well a core part of republican strategy has been to lie shamelessly and then cry a river when called out on those lies, so Vance getting the lion's share of factchecking will be spun as him getting victimized by the mods, rather than him telling most of the fucking lies
You’re going to poison them with homemade chemicals?
Hell of an argument to make as clouds of chlorine float through the US and health warnings get issued.
So far in this Vance is a absolutely the competent liar that many people fear is worse than and will follow after Trump.
I don’t know, he wants them in bed, not watching him.
That’s a small mercy,
Must be awful growing up knowing that your father hates you because you're insufficiently white.