This is doom's tournament. Do you really think Doom will fight Despero without placing a stipulation that mind control is off limits?
DOOM WILL TOLERATE NO DISOBEDIENCE!
(especially from his own body)
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Benjamin Franklin used foil covered window glass to create a capacitor. He then attempted to kill a turkey with the stored charge. Instead, he knocked himself out. Franklin later wrote, "I tried to kill a turkey but nearly succeeded in killing a goose."
The thing is that the same thing is going to happen whenever Doom has a fight, so there is no point in complaining about it.
Seriously. Doom is gonna take the whole thing. Normally saying "<Insert Name> will simply find a way to win" is lame, but with doom, nothing is lame.
Doom wins. Lets go home.
8)
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Benjamin Franklin used foil covered window glass to create a capacitor. He then attempted to kill a turkey with the stored charge. Instead, he knocked himself out. Franklin later wrote, "I tried to kill a turkey but nearly succeeded in killing a goose."
Also, I'm not convinced that Spiral is that over matched. I voted against her, but in Despero's last apperance Zatanna kicked his ass cold. "Orepsed pots!" and thats it. Magic is deffinately an issue. (Also, in the same issue they rather forcefully mention that Despero's mind control was only so effective b/c the league was so heavily devided at the time. The implication being that if J'onn had himself together it would have gone differently.) Depero can lose, and not just via the Splash Page Beat Down.
I'm confused about whether this is Morrison's Xorn (Magneto all along) or the retconned version that is actually some guy named Xorn.
I guess it has to be the retcon. Which means he's a poorly defiend demigod witha star for a brain.
I'm not sure. When Doom let him in the tournament it was in response to all the people who wanted Magneto. To punish the fools, Doom said it would have to be the Xorn version of Magneto.
So, yeah. I guess this is Morrison's version, all hopped-up on Kick.
I just looked over the brackets, and I have to say I am thrilled, thrilled by the Mysterio/Abomination fight.
It makes sense too. Abomination is incredibly strong, but he's smart enough where the illusions have an effect beyond pissing him off even more(Hulks too "Hulk Smash" for the illusions to have an effect, I'd imagine. Abom can think straight, and thus can have his mind fucked with)
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I'm confused about whether this is Morrison's Xorn (Magneto all along) or the retconned version that is actually some guy named Xorn.
I guess it has to be the retcon. Which means he's a poorly defiend demigod witha star for a brain.
I'm not sure. When Doom let him in the tournament it was in response to all the people who wanted Magneto. To punish the fools, Doom said it would have to be the Xorn version of Magneto.
So, yeah. I guess this is Morrison's version, all hopped-up on Kick.
But then we'd just be referring to him as Magneto, right?
I'm confused about whether this is Morrison's Xorn (Magneto all along) or the retconned version that is actually some guy named Xorn.
I guess it has to be the retcon. Which means he's a poorly defiend demigod witha star for a brain.
I'm not sure. When Doom let him in the tournament it was in response to all the people who wanted Magneto. To punish the fools, Doom said it would have to be the Xorn version of Magneto.
So, yeah. I guess this is Morrison's version, all hopped-up on Kick.
But then we'd just be referring to him as Magneto, right?
I just looked over the brackets, and I have to say I am thrilled, thrilled by the Mysterio/Abomination fight.
It makes sense too. Abomination is incredibly strong, but he's smart enough where the illusions have an effect beyond pissing him off even more(Hulks too "Hulk Smash" for the illusions to have an effect, I'd imagine. Abom can think straight, and thus can have his mind fucked with)
If Mysterio gets to use his skills to the fullest, or at least to the point where he's allowed to create a series of convincing Hulk illusions that play upon Blonsky's insecurities, then I think he's got a good shot. If he's limited to what he had when he fought Two-Face, then he's screwed.
Grendel (Hunter Rose) would've been a fun addition, now that I think about it, but not being from the big two I doubt he would've made it very far.
Isn't he basically evil batman but slightly less rich?
That's the basic of the first story, but it's really a lot deeper and more interesting than that. Grendel is something that you really need to read, it's hard to describe, but presented and executed perfectly - its a great read. I like the later stuff better, but Hunter Rose was a good Grendel and the best place to start.
Atleast he's only eliminating lame-asses so far. Next round he'll eliminate Shiva, though, depending on the environment(Can't think of one that will give Shiva a chance).
But then? Ghost vs. Doom! Lets see how classy he looks going up against the second most powerful sorceror in the MU. I picture Doom casting some kind of binding spell, confining the ghost to Doom's travel cooler. Then the Ghost's power will keep Doom's drinks cold on long trips
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Benjamin Franklin used foil covered window glass to create a capacitor. He then attempted to kill a turkey with the stored charge. Instead, he knocked himself out. Franklin later wrote, "I tried to kill a turkey but nearly succeeded in killing a goose."
Doom is not a very good sorcerer. He's only the second-best because the others suck even harder.
This is, of course, when comparing him to Doctor Strange, but whatever. Doom hardly ever practices with his mystical mumbo jumbo stuff.
You... You're wrong.
There's no easy way to break it to you. Doom could have been Sorcerer Supreme if he had dedicated himself to magick. Only the fact that he prefers technology and lusts for world domination keeps him from achieving his full mystical potential.
In terms of skill and practice, he isn't a tremendously great sorcerer, but the raw power is there, and he's meticulous enough that when he does decide to use sorcery to accomplish a goal, he makes it work.
WhipstitchZombie [2:12 A.M.]: I'm calling loki v. doom in the finals
WhipstitchZombie [2:13 A.M.]: what's the spread
GreatMantisMan [2:13 A.M.]: 3 points
GreatMantisMan [2:13 A.M.]: loki would kick doom's ass
WhipstitchZombie [2:14 A.M.]: then I totally called loki pulling it out way way way back on day one, just so we would have a thor v. loki fight
GreatMantisMan [2:15 A.M.]: they fight ALL THE TIME
GreatMantisMan [2:16 A.M.]: whoever loses, asgard wins
WhipstitchZombie [2:16 A.M.]: which is how the fuck it should be
I am posting this here, now, so when the inevitable comes up during the finals I will reference that doom himself said he would lose
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No way man
Taskmaster is gonna win.
Just you wait and see.
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taskmaster can maybe beat nimrod, and has absolutely no chance against doom
he is not jesus
the shade has an aversion to fire
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited January 2007
If taskmaster gets the power he briefly had that one time as a leveling factor, then he can beat doom and/or nimrod.
Or if he has to fight doom 1v1 with no gizmos.
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While we're on the subject has anyone else noticed that the bottom bracket has only 3 tough combatants, Doom, Bizzaro and Grodd while the top bracket has Loki, Luthor, Despero, Xorn, Apoc, Doomsday etc.
Methinks that Doom is playing to his strengths which is to say plotting. and shouting "RICHAAAAAAAAAARRRRDDSSSS!!!"
Barring any unusual battlefield conditions, I think Doom would still take Loki.
Doom > all
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But...Spiral over Despero? Wha?
Do you really want every fight for the rest of the tournament to read "Spiral disables this person's powers and they lose."?
The fact that what ever powers she could take from Despero would result in her ass still getting kicked not withstanding.
It cuts both ways.
But then Ultron and Gentleman Ghost don't have brains.
Doom has many times nullified mind control in tournament fights.
And I don't think his superstrength is above Superman's. At all.
According to his wiki his strength and endurance surpass Supes.
DOOM WILL TOLERATE NO DISOBEDIENCE!
(especially from his own body)
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Seriously. Doom is gonna take the whole thing. Normally saying "<Insert Name> will simply find a way to win" is lame, but with doom, nothing is lame.
Doom wins. Lets go home.
8)
I guess it has to be the retcon. Which means he's a poorly defiend demigod witha star for a brain.
I'm not sure. When Doom let him in the tournament it was in response to all the people who wanted Magneto. To punish the fools, Doom said it would have to be the Xorn version of Magneto.
So, yeah. I guess this is Morrison's version, all hopped-up on Kick.
It makes sense too. Abomination is incredibly strong, but he's smart enough where the illusions have an effect beyond pissing him off even more(Hulks too "Hulk Smash" for the illusions to have an effect, I'd imagine. Abom can think straight, and thus can have his mind fucked with)
But then we'd just be referring to him as Magneto, right?
Only if you want to disobey Doom's edict.
Isn't he basically evil batman but slightly less rich?
That's the basic of the first story, but it's really a lot deeper and more interesting than that. Grendel is something that you really need to read, it's hard to describe, but presented and executed perfectly - its a great read. I like the later stuff better, but Hunter Rose was a good Grendel and the best place to start.
Seriously...
Atleast he's only eliminating lame-asses so far. Next round he'll eliminate Shiva, though, depending on the environment(Can't think of one that will give Shiva a chance).
But then? Ghost vs. Doom! Lets see how classy he looks going up against the second most powerful sorceror in the MU. I picture Doom casting some kind of binding spell, confining the ghost to Doom's travel cooler. Then the Ghost's power will keep Doom's drinks cold on long trips
This is, of course, when comparing him to Doctor Strange, but whatever. Doom hardly ever practices with his mystical mumbo jumbo stuff.
So yes, I've been a bit unfair towards him about that. But whatever.
Still, it's difficult performing an exorcism when you're being accosted by thousands of ghosts.
More or less difficult than engaging in combat with the legions of Hell?
As far as mystical shit goes, Doom has been through the ringer. I don't think a single ghost would pose him much of a challenge.
I think it'd be "Doom chooses not to breathe underwater!"
Because anything else admits flaws, of which Doom has none.
You... You're wrong.
There's no easy way to break it to you. Doom could have been Sorcerer Supreme if he had dedicated himself to magick. Only the fact that he prefers technology and lusts for world domination keeps him from achieving his full mystical potential.
In terms of skill and practice, he isn't a tremendously great sorcerer, but the raw power is there, and he's meticulous enough that when he does decide to use sorcery to accomplish a goal, he makes it work.
I was also tired at the time so, you know, oops.
Yeah ok, I misunderstood what you were getting at.
WhipstitchZombie [2:13 A.M.]: what's the spread
GreatMantisMan [2:13 A.M.]: 3 points
GreatMantisMan [2:13 A.M.]: loki would kick doom's ass
WhipstitchZombie [2:14 A.M.]: then I totally called loki pulling it out way way way back on day one, just so we would have a thor v. loki fight
GreatMantisMan [2:15 A.M.]: they fight ALL THE TIME
GreatMantisMan [2:16 A.M.]: whoever loses, asgard wins
WhipstitchZombie [2:16 A.M.]: which is how the fuck it should be
I am posting this here, now, so when the inevitable comes up during the finals I will reference that doom himself said he would lose
Taskmaster is gonna win.
Just you wait and see.
he is not jesus
the shade has an aversion to fire
Or if he has to fight doom 1v1 with no gizmos.
Methinks that Doom is playing to his strengths which is to say plotting. and shouting "RICHAAAAAAAAAARRRRDDSSSS!!!"
Doom > all
Im betting on Doom beating Nimrod.
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