It's not like there's no awesomeness. It's just there's a reason GW gamers have traditionally started with 40k then moved on to WFB since the early 90's or so. 40k just doesn't have the depth to maintain the same interest or types of games.
It's not like there's no awesomeness. It's just there's a reason GW gamers have traditionally started with 40k then moved on to WFB since the early 90's or so. 40k just doesn't have the depth to maintain the same interest or types of games.
I dunno. Maybe it's just wikipedia but I've read a lot of the fluff for both WFB and 40k and it seems as though there's a lot more stuff for 40k. Again that might just be wikipedia's doing. But the story there seems much more detailed than the fantasy counterpart.
I think it just comes down to people choosing between Sci-Fi and fantasy.
Also, it only appears to be standard elves and orcs fantasy; half the fun is in breaking expectations.
"What do you mean that Wood Elf keeps human children as slaves? Wood Elves are good!"
Wiki is a horrible resource for GW stuff, by the way. Half of it is wrong or conjecture, not to mention WFB has vastly more documented detail than 40k, though the release of Dark Heresy is shoring that up some.
Argh. I come back from a 9 day holiday eagerly looking for a beta invite, or at least good news, and i get greeted with no beta invite and another delay?! DAMN!
At least the rest of the news is pretty damn good, such as the CE which looks damn tasty.
You know Ravenloft? WFB is closer to that than vanilla fantasy. Although 40k is probably more original design-wise, the lore still has many fantasy trappings. I mean, Warhammer is either gothic fantasy in a sci-fi setting, or gothic fantasy in a dark ages setting.
While I love 40k, the scale of the thing is so ridiculously huge that it's difficult to establish a universe with coherence and familiarity; in lore, most stories basically amount to who is the evilest/most zealous of them all? WFB is more about the world, though I suppose everyone are still complete assholes.
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It's not like there's no awesomeness. It's just there's a reason GW gamers have traditionally started with 40k then moved on to WFB since the early 90's or so. 40k just doesn't have the depth to maintain the same interest or types of games.
Oh wait this is the FANTASY Warhammer?
Jeez it really IS World of Warhammer...Online. Preorders CANCELLED.
While I love 40k, the scale of the thing is so ridiculously huge that it's difficult to establish a universe with coherence and familiarity; in lore, most stories basically amount to who is the evilest/most zealous of them all? WFB is more about the world, though I suppose everyone are still complete assholes.
This seems fairly accurate as far as wanting to focus on individual character plot lines. But honestly, my interest in 40k comes from a more historical world-view.
This seems fairly accurate as far as wanting to focus on individual character plot lines. But honestly, my interest in 40k comes from a more historical world-view.
I certainly understand the draw toward 40k purely on a sci-fi basis; I tend to vastly prefer gritty, historically-based fantasy over sci-fi any day. Something about parallelling things that actually existed and mixing them up with more traditional fantasy elements works for me.
17th century Holy Roman Empire gunlines versus orcs that fight like 5th century Visigoths but talk like football hooligans? Yes please. I'll take that over armored space-warrior-monks that mutter stuff in Latin any day.
Ultimately, Warhammer is actually little-influenced by Tolkien and his offshoots. Orcs (in name only) act and look nothing like the Tolkien/D&D variety (they're green, they're not "evil" per se), Elves are imperialist, facist, and often slavers or hedonists (though the names are very Tolkien). Dwarfs are probably the closest, but more obsessive.
Warhammer owes vastly more to pulp swords-and-sorcery than anything else; Howard, Leiber, and especially, a hundred-times over, Moorcock. After those types, real-world history, with Tolkien-elements being third.
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Yeah I was all excited about that when I first heard about it, but from the sounds of it, it's probably going to be an MMOFPS like planet side. Which is fine, but not really what I'm personally in the market for. Nevertheless, being W:40k I'll probably give it a shot when it finally comes out.
I liked 40K in the earlier days, when it was absolutely, mercilessly Gothic, depressing, and ridiculously over the top. Y'know, all that "A 1000 souls consumed everyday to fuel a corpse god writhing with energies from the Dark Age of Technology" jazz.
Of late it feels like its moving closer and closer to a blander science fiction setting. Titans, for example, have moved from 900 foot tall idols of worship laden with guns normally mounted to battlecruisers to 650 point resin models. Then there's the sharp dichotomy between representation in the background of the various races and how poorly that generally translates to the tabletop (space marines singlehandedly slaughtering entire armies, anyone?). And don't even get me started on the hammer Dan Abnett has taken to the Imperial Guard.
Oddly, I'm reading Eisenhorn and enjoying it right now; feels much more traditional 40k than Abnett's Ghosts abominations. Still, the evolution of the game after early 2nd edition will leave me never very interested. Dark Heresy is cool and all, but it just doesn't capture the same way as WFB, which is thematically intact from the early days.
I swear 8 years ago when I signed up for the newsletter, that it was also the beta sign-up.
Two years ago at Origins I got a card that signed me up for the newsletter that was also supposed to be a beta sign up and of course, nothing. Last year I received a card with a code from them giving me a reserved spot in the beta, and again nothing. This year I'm expecting the developers to hand me a boxed copy, only to get it home and find a completely blank cd. They are the horrendous teases.
I'm surprised Mythic didn't have anything up for an April Fools thing, even if the game isn't out yet... Heh, wouldn't it be funny if their announcement of the delay was the April Fools joke =P?
I'm surprised Mythic didn't have anything up for an April Fools thing, even if the game isn't out yet... Heh, wouldn't it be funny if their announcement of the delay was the April Fools joke =P?
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Even better if they sent out emails titled: WARHAMMER ONLINE! Beta now Open!
Then with size one font when opened.
"Maybe next year..."
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I'm surprised Mythic didn't have anything up for an April Fools thing, even if the game isn't out yet... Heh, wouldn't it be funny if their announcement of the delay was the April Fools joke =P?
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Even better if they sent out emails titled: WARHAMMER ONLINE! Guild Beta now Open!
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Every day when I play Dawn of War I wonder why no one has modded it into the fantasy universe.
I'm guessing it has something to do with 40k being infinitely cooler and not part of a done to death genre.
Damn, I must be out of the loop.
Because the dirty little secret of DoW is that the melee combat kind of sucks.
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40k is vastly less nuanced and lacks the awesome pseudo-historical components. It's just over-the-top imagery and endless shades of black. Boring.
I dunno. Maybe it's just wikipedia but I've read a lot of the fluff for both WFB and 40k and it seems as though there's a lot more stuff for 40k. Again that might just be wikipedia's doing. But the story there seems much more detailed than the fantasy counterpart.
I think it just comes down to people choosing between Sci-Fi and fantasy.
Also, it only appears to be standard elves and orcs fantasy; half the fun is in breaking expectations.
"What do you mean that Wood Elf keeps human children as slaves? Wood Elves are good!"
Wiki is a horrible resource for GW stuff, by the way. Half of it is wrong or conjecture, not to mention WFB has vastly more documented detail than 40k, though the release of Dark Heresy is shoring that up some.
At least the rest of the news is pretty damn good, such as the CE which looks damn tasty.
While I love 40k, the scale of the thing is so ridiculously huge that it's difficult to establish a universe with coherence and familiarity; in lore, most stories basically amount to who is the evilest/most zealous of them all? WFB is more about the world, though I suppose everyone are still complete assholes.
Oh wait this is the FANTASY Warhammer?
Jeez it really IS World of Warhammer...Online. Preorders CANCELLED.
Yeah, for me, I think the very fact of being sci-fi gives a lot of points right off the bat, to 40k. Sci-fi is just so damn rare.
This seems fairly accurate as far as wanting to focus on individual character plot lines. But honestly, my interest in 40k comes from a more historical world-view.
I certainly understand the draw toward 40k purely on a sci-fi basis; I tend to vastly prefer gritty, historically-based fantasy over sci-fi any day. Something about parallelling things that actually existed and mixing them up with more traditional fantasy elements works for me.
17th century Holy Roman Empire gunlines versus orcs that fight like 5th century Visigoths but talk like football hooligans? Yes please. I'll take that over armored space-warrior-monks that mutter stuff in Latin any day.
Ultimately, Warhammer is actually little-influenced by Tolkien and his offshoots. Orcs (in name only) act and look nothing like the Tolkien/D&D variety (they're green, they're not "evil" per se), Elves are imperialist, facist, and often slavers or hedonists (though the names are very Tolkien). Dwarfs are probably the closest, but more obsessive.
Warhammer owes vastly more to pulp swords-and-sorcery than anything else; Howard, Leiber, and especially, a hundred-times over, Moorcock. After those types, real-world history, with Tolkien-elements being third.
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Yeah I was all excited about that when I first heard about it, but from the sounds of it, it's probably going to be an MMOFPS like planet side. Which is fine, but not really what I'm personally in the market for. Nevertheless, being W:40k I'll probably give it a shot when it finally comes out.
I also just heard that we landed a man on the moon!
Of late it feels like its moving closer and closer to a blander science fiction setting. Titans, for example, have moved from 900 foot tall idols of worship laden with guns normally mounted to battlecruisers to 650 point resin models. Then there's the sharp dichotomy between representation in the background of the various races and how poorly that generally translates to the tabletop (space marines singlehandedly slaughtering entire armies, anyone?). And don't even get me started on the hammer Dan Abnett has taken to the Imperial Guard.
There's just so much more to it.
Two years ago at Origins I got a card that signed me up for the newsletter that was also supposed to be a beta sign up and of course, nothing. Last year I received a card with a code from them giving me a reserved spot in the beta, and again nothing. This year I'm expecting the developers to hand me a boxed copy, only to get it home and find a completely blank cd. They are the horrendous teases.
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Just wait, you're relatively new to this whole 40k/WFB thing, aren't you? You'll see... you'll see.
Who did you order from?
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Even better if they sent out emails titled: WARHAMMER ONLINE! Beta now Open!
Then with size one font when opened.
"Maybe next year..."
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My thoughts exactly. I'm fine, though, if they fuck around after a stable and complete launch of a fun game.