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[SWG] Throw it out, make your own!
Ceno
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Now that it's universally accepted that Star Wars Galaxies has collapsed into an unmitigated clusterfuck of sad, and it's debated that Bioware may or may not possibly be working on maybe a new Star Wars MMO, it's time to start anew.
Permadeath? One Jedi per server? (Insert crazy game-breaking MMO idea here)?
Permadeath? One Jedi per server? (Insert crazy game-breaking MMO idea here)?
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Also the Jedi thing is totally up in the air depending on what time period in SW a game would be set in.
I would prefer only a few "classes" with basic feats, allowing people to mix and match within reason. Say a force-sensitive is the only class allowed lightsaber use, but they can also optionally not bother with a lightsaber at all, and go for blaster weapons. A bounty hunter who can craft his own armor/weapons, et cetera, et cetera.
Kinda sounds like that one lady for DDO or that PA comic on her.
At least with the latter there would be explanation as to why there's 10 million Jedi everywhere.
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I agree for the most part. I do NOT want my character running alongside Han Solo, or any other notable Star Wars character for that matter. I don't have any objection to them existing in-game (time frame permitting, of course) as long as they remain relatively dormant NPCs that exist for novelty's sake or we only hear about their adventures in whispers throughout the course of the game.
Full character customization is a must, naturally. And I am looking forward to someone developing a more robust questing system that entails more than "Kill X gundarks, then kill X elder gundarks". I like the idea of developing a story around your character as you gain in experience/level/whatever. Something similar to the LOTRO title system but more robust and much more than just a novelty.
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I once had a TKM that shot so many jawa i had tuskan raider faction...
I was the type of guy who floated around between skill trees and took what looked interesting at one time or another. I went into the bounty hunter tree after playing with the pre-reqs while still maintaining my master architect status (only one on the server)
Id left for WoW because of the credit duping scandal that ended with 1/2 my guild being banned for accepting duped credits unknowingly.
So i came back about 1-2 years later... and was allowed to reroll... wait what? Yes, all my skill trees and hours of work meant nothing. They had changed their entire skill system and i now was allowed to start as a level 9 character.
Oh, and people could roll jedi from the start.
Ok, that did it for me *waves*
Oh, and everyone started with a land speeder now... ya cute
If i was going to FIX SWG id tear it to the ground, burn it, piss on its ashes, and set it all in the time of Knights of the Old Republic, make Jedi NPCs only, and allow creature handlers to be KOS
Game fixed
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I always hated that they put Jedi in the game. It took the focus off of the Civil War and put it on sabers. I thought that only devs should have been able to be jedi, or CSRs for special events. But, ah well, I didn't make the game.
If they had a new MMO, I'd play it... at least for a while. I tried to go back to SWG recently after being gone since around early 05 (played since launch) and hated it. It was a ghost town and I had no clue what I was doing anymore.
Maybe, but I like not spending two weeks of faction grinding only to buy an AT-ST, and have it be soloed by a Bounty Hunter in the time it takes me to load my screen.
I mean.
Just read that sentence.
That happened to me.
How fucking tragic is that for a game to make such a thing possible.
Well, this right here is a microcosm of SOE's approach to patching and balancing this game.
AT-ST's too powerful? Hah, now anyone can solo them in their sleep. Also, they can't even attack NPC's anymore (the only thing they'd have a chance at being effective against anymore) so you just wasted your time for nothing.
Over and over and over again.
During tech school I was watching the trailers for jump to lightspeed and drooling, couldn't wait to buy a yt-1300 and fly around.
When I finally got to my first base I loaded up SWG and tried to get back into it, but something was off.
This was shortly before the first change... the CU or whatever they called it?
It's not necessarily the most interesting or dramatic setting of Star Wars, but it's certainly one that would translate into a MMORPG the best.
What, Old Republic/KOTOR wouldn't?
Also I really can't get into the NJO stuff for some reason.
Old Republic/KOTOR would make for a good setting, if you wanted to make a WoW-esque game about dual-faction warfare and such.
NJO has the Vong as basically a monolithic evil entity with varying levels and types of alien badguys to throw at you whose equipment, weapons, and techniques are suitably alien enough to justify why you can't just take their cool shit (always a personal beef I have with MMORPGs) and it would have the plus of not having to kowtow to the established SW story that happens after it's supposed to take place.
"Guys, think we should speak up about how it's self destruction?"
The tragic thing is that there is no saving SWG. Even if you pry away the horrible combat system, an abused Faction system, the retarded NGE class system, abysmal world design (75% or more of the SWG game world was generated by algorithm), and all the other terrible crap... well you are pretty much left with Jump to Lightspeed (which has been grossly underdeveloped for since release), and the crafting system, which is love or hate for most people.
Perhaps a new SW MMO will be good, or else pehaps the SWGEmu will be finished sometime this decade... Also, I'm pretty sure that somewhere they have stated that the new one will be set in KOTOR times.
By the Fires of Muspelheim!!
That's just rumour and speculation. No one is even sure if there will be a new SW MMO.
I remember hearing it from a reputable source, and that it was confirmed. But, hell my memory is probably wrong, perhaps I'm remembering what I want to remember.
By the Fires of Muspelheim!!
;-)
But I said it was a ridiculously fun game, despite being horribly made.
By the Fires of Muspelheim!!
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
There was a article in Game Informer with a Bio Ware rep, saything they are working on a MMO, but wouldnt confirm it was swg.. they do have the rights to it though.
I don't think they do about that either.
Publicly known facts are:
- they are making an MMO
- they are partnered with LucasArts for an un-announced title so far
SOEs motto there: If it aint broken, fix it.
Seriously, there were professions that were never, in the history of the game, ever useful...ever not even for a day. Take Smuggler for example, was broken from day 1, everyone wanted them to fix it naturally they ignored it and tried to "fix" the working classes.
By the Fires of Muspelheim!!
It's still broken, even after they fixed it.
The smuggling system is totally inane.
There is no single part of SWG that is complete and perfect in its own right.
The closest thing in that category would be JTL, followed by crafting, but both still have some big flaws, but at least they are playable (well, crafting really isn't playable anymore, but JTL is)
By the Fires of Muspelheim!!
It's hard to argue that something was wrong with the old crafting system. Ok, ok, ok... there were periods of months that the servers could go without spawning a necessary material, but that wasn't the crafting system itself's fault...
The one thing that I really, REALLY, liked about SWG was the absolute sandbox of it. I had a character who was a Doc/whatever profession let you put up vendors. With that character, I became a multi-millionaire without ever running a mission or crafting a single piece of armor or weapon. I just ran a business that absolutely exploded. Plus, it was fun.
I believe if they would have just left the game alone, even as broken as was when it was released, it would probably still be going on today.
That was when the little bonuses from the prone or whatever mattered, before you got a set of composite and a big gun. Then you just worried about carrying enough food and drugs to shoot up with, dancer buffs for mind and the occasional CM run-in. So right there it ceased to be Star Wars.
A good Star Wars game:
- Historical period in which there are infinite Jedi, in fact Force stats should be integrated with every character (It is all around us after all :P Let's all pretend the M word never existed.) This historical period would be as unexplored by other creators of Star Wars literature as possible. This gives the developers the most free reign to come up with ideas that are both compelling and can fit into an MMO setting.
- The more Force powers you have, the more regular skill you have to give up *entirely*. No, you can't be a super-pilot, gambler, bounty-hunter, pistoleer, droid engineer, lady's man, and shoot lightning. I don't care if it is canon, it's retarded. And no, you can't shoot lightning and only use 80% of all the other skills and make up the difference with items. (skilltapeslol)
- Ship-to-ship, ship-to-space station/capital ship combat, and the hijacking thereof for smugglers.
- A good black market system to give smugglers something to run and enhance player trade.
- I'd keep a creature handling skill actually, one facet of the movies was always interesting creatures and it would be a good way to keep them around. Just not so ridiculous. It would be interesting to run into the occasional bounty hunter or jedi with a tamed rancor.
- Good combat system goes without saying, physics integration, action-y.
- Stay away from trying to make classes too far removed from combat. I hate to say this but vidja games are a very visceral medium. I have yet to see something compelling and fun with a deep game attached to it that is not combat oriented. I was a mayor and architect in the original SWG the day the patch came out. These skills got used maybe .0000001% of your total play time. All the dancer players ran theirs by script while they played their other Jedi character. Leave the diplomacy, and social aspects inside of well-crafted mission content.
For instance, I was on Gorath and ran The Imperial Mining Company. This company made me rich, and it was so simple to run. Through lot trades, I had a harvestor farm on Lok of around 90 Mineral Harvestors. I would feed them with creds and power, as well as empty the harvestors, twice a week. I sold the metal for 2cpu and ore for 3cpu. I had a vendor on almost every planet (which was a human and dressed in the imperial uniform). I even had tracking charts of how much I pulled, what my cost per unit was, what my cost per vendor was... all of that.
Maybe it was the fact that I was in business school at the time, but I loved it and there was almost no combat involved. The only combat would come from, occassional, I'd need an escort party to head out there with me because killas (or whatever the Lok "krayt" was) would spawn in my field.
There was a fierce player run economy, and no matter how "inflated" people claimed it was, I made a killing by just playing the market in game.
When everyone is allowed to be a jedi, what's the appeal? I think there's a certain sense of awe that needs to accompany such a powerful class of person, and by allowing everyone to be a jedi you're really ruining that awe. Not to mention a lot of people playing jedi would run exactly opposite to the principles and ideals that jedi are supposed to embody.
TL;DR Keep jedi as non-playable characters, or make them incredibly difficult to attain.
I don't think they should really be in game at all, as it will come to everyone thinking jedi should be impossible to get... except the one they control.
By the Fires of Muspelheim!!