Poldy, you're an idiot. You have no place evaluating anything ever.
To Evil Multifarious:
I am already an English Major. English Majors do not have to like poetry. Poetry is a retarded way to get a message across.
Poetry doesn't have to be carrying a message. Poetry can do all sorts of things. Even when it does carry a message, it is no more "retarded" than writing a prose story to carry a message. If you think that way, why bother having a "message" at all in writing, besides straight-to-the-point academic essays?
Because it'd be fucking boring.
If you don't have any sort of a message, why would you be writing anything?
This is what I'm talking about. The message isn't necessarily the most important thing. Why do you read a story? Do you read it for its message? I really think you don't. The message can add to it, and in some cases it can be the driving force of the story/poem/whatever, but there are other elements to it. Those other elements are why any form of writing besides technical writing exist.
And when you're talking about animal life on earth, oxygen isn't the most important thing; however, it's necessary.
Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Poldy, you're an idiot. You have no place evaluating anything ever.
To Evil Multifarious:
I am already an English Major. English Majors do not have to like poetry. Poetry is a retarded way to get a message across.
Poetry doesn't have to be carrying a message. Poetry can do all sorts of things. Even when it does carry a message, it is no more "retarded" than writing a prose story to carry a message. If you think that way, why bother having a "message" at all in writing, besides straight-to-the-point academic essays?
Because it'd be fucking boring.
If you don't have any sort of a message, why would you be writing anything?
This is what I'm talking about. The message isn't necessarily the most important thing. Why do you read a story? Do you read it for its message? I really think you don't. The message can add to it, and in some cases it can be the driving force of the story/poem/whatever, but there are other elements to it. Those other elements are why any form of writing besides technical writing exist.
Without a theme, writing is purposeless. Seriously, day 1, junior high stuff man.
Theme != message. Also, writing as a linguistic experiment is common and worthwhile.
Why are you even an english major? You just said "poetry is stupid" and "prose stories are stupid." That is basically everything an English major studies. You seem to despise every form of writing.
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Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Clearly Kusu has never read Poetic Meter & Poetic Form by Paul Fussell.
Poldy, you're an idiot. You have no place evaluating anything ever.
To Evil Multifarious:
I am already an English Major. English Majors do not have to like poetry. Poetry is a retarded way to get a message across.
Poetry doesn't have to be carrying a message. Poetry can do all sorts of things. Even when it does carry a message, it is no more "retarded" than writing a prose story to carry a message. If you think that way, why bother having a "message" at all in writing, besides straight-to-the-point academic essays?
Because it'd be fucking boring.
Prose stories are lame as well. Anything with a meter is a chore to write. If you are writing something with no message, you shouldn't be writing it. Isn't this like day one stuff? Why write a poem if you aren't trying to tell someone something? Just because the words look pretty when put together in that particular fashion?
Have you ever read e. e. cummings' "[Anyone lived in a pretty how town]"? Christ, I love that poem.
Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Clearly Kusu has never read Poetic Meter & Poetic Form by Paul Fussell.
God is that an amazing book.
Fuck man, that book rules. I used it a lot when I wrote an essay about Pope and his metrics.
Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Dude, you dissed PROSE -and- poetry.
Unless you just hate the the written word itself, you're running out of room.
It's one thing to have preferences within something, but you're basically damning literature as a whole.
Poldy, you're an idiot. You have no place evaluating anything ever.
To Evil Multifarious:
I am already an English Major. English Majors do not have to like poetry. Poetry is a retarded way to get a message across.
Poetry doesn't have to be carrying a message. Poetry can do all sorts of things. Even when it does carry a message, it is no more "retarded" than writing a prose story to carry a message. If you think that way, why bother having a "message" at all in writing, besides straight-to-the-point academic essays?
Because it'd be fucking boring.
If you don't have any sort of a message, why would you be writing anything?
This is what I'm talking about. The message isn't necessarily the most important thing. Why do you read a story? Do you read it for its message? I really think you don't. The message can add to it, and in some cases it can be the driving force of the story/poem/whatever, but there are other elements to it. Those other elements are why any form of writing besides technical writing exist.
Without a theme, writing is purposeless. Seriously, day 1, junior high stuff man.
Theme != message. Also, writing as a linguistic experiment is common and worthwhile.
Why are you even an english major? You just said "poetry is stupid" and "prose stories are stupid." That is basically everything an English major studies. You seem to despise every form of writing.
I've yet to study poetry in my english class. I love writing. Poetry is gay. The theme is the message of the story. Don't try and say it's not. If the theme of Les Miserables is redemption, that's what the story is trying to get across. That redemption is possible, that people can change, etc, etc. Without this message, this theme, why the hell would you care about ValJean?
Hey guys, I know this really awesome poem. It goes like this:
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just get me to the airport
And put me on a plane
Hurry hurry hurry before I go insane
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my brain
Oh no oh ho
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just put me in a wheelchair
And put me on a plane
Hurry hurry hurry before I go insane
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my brain
Oh no oh ho
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just put me in a wheelchair
And get me to show
Hurry hurry hurry before I go loco
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my toes
Oh no oh ho
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just put me in a wheelchair
And get me to show
Hurry hurry hurry before I go loco
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my toes
Oh no oh ho...
Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Dude, you dissed PROSE -and- poetry.
Unless you just hate the the written word itself, you're running out of room.
It's one thing to have preferences within something, but you're basically damning literature as a whole.
We should have stopped at cave paintings. If it doesn't involve buffalo, if isn't worth putting down on stone walls, much less paper.
Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Dude, you dissed PROSE -and- poetry.
Unless you just hate the the written word itself, you're running out of room.
It's one thing to have preferences within something, but you're basically damning literature as a whole.
Ah okay, I take back everything I said about prose. Structured meters are retarded. Man I haven't had to think about poetry in hella long, because I hate it.
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Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Dude, you dissed PROSE -and- poetry.
Unless you just hate the the written word itself, you're running out of room.
It's one thing to have preferences within something, but you're basically damning literature as a whole.
Ah okay, I take back everything I said about prose. Structured meters are retarded. Man I haven't had to think about poetry in hella long, because I hate it.
Without a theme, writing is purposeless. Seriously, day 1, junior high stuff man.
something like 6 weeks into your second semester of sophmore year, you find out about psychoanalytic criticism and how it is basiclly imposible to write something without a theme.
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So I'm reading a Bukowski collection. It has some poetry in it. Some of it is pretty fucking amazing.
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Message is not the be all and end all, Kusu. Emerson had some very worthy messages, but he sucked as a poet. He wrote everything in bouncing iambs, was completely boring in his meter, and completely ignored form. Once the message is extricated, there is nothing to bring the reader back to the poem. Poetry needs to be entertainment, concerning our most vital function - language. It is about enjoying wrapping your mouth around the beauty of our most basic function. It is also about appreciating crafstmenship and construction.
Message is not the be all and end all, Kusu. Emerson had some very worthy messages, but he sucked as a poet. He wrote everything in bouncing iambs, was completely boring in his meter, and completely ignored form. Once the message is extricated, there is nothing to bring the reader back to the poem. Poetry needs to be entertainment, concerning our most vital function - language. It is about enjoying wrapping your mouth around the beauty of our most basic function. It is also about appreciating crafstmenship and construction.
I only posted it because I had it saved on my computer.
A kindred spirit!
The only other one I have saved is when serpents bargain for the right to squirm; sadly, my lit book from... uh, I guess 11th grade only had those two.
t Thanners: I specifically recall you eating them in the past as part of Operation Lighter Than.
Message is not the be all and end all, Kusu. Emerson had some very worthy messages, but he sucked as a poet. He wrote everything in bouncing iambs, was completely boring in his meter, and completely ignored form. Once the message is extricated, there is nothing to bring the reader back to the poem. Poetry needs to be entertainment, concerning our most vital function - language. It is about enjoying wrapping your mouth around the beauty of our most basic function. It is also about appreciating crafstmenship and construction.
God damn it, Kusu. This is like day one stuff.
Day one faggy poetry stuff, yeah sure.
Yeah, I'm with Kusu.
Again, you may say the message isn't the most important part, but it is a necessary part. Otherwise, the writing is meaningless and stupid.
Also, L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poems didn't have a message or theme. Sure, the movement as a whole had a message, but the individual poems didn't. Same with serial poetry.
Unfortunately LANGUAGE poems and serial poems are bullshit and stupid, but it still disproves your point.
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I only posted it because I had it saved on my computer.
A kindred spirit!
The only other one I have saved is when serpents bargain for the right to squirm; sadly, my lit book from... uh, I guess 11th grade only had those two.
After I read [anyone lived], I went and grabbed a book of cummings' poetry from the library. I would just open to a page and read. [anyone lived] is still my favorite, though.
Basically what Kusu is saying is: Fuck verbal communication.
No, verbal communication is fine. Way to not even grasp what I'm saying. Poetry is not verbal communication, it is verbal communication limited by prose and meter.
Clearly Kusu has never read Poetic Meter & Poetic Form by Paul Fussell.
God is that an amazing book.
Fuck man, that book rules. I used it a lot when I wrote an essay about Pope and his metrics.
Yeah. I never appreciated Pope until I read it. Then you realize how amazing he is. Sure, he's stodgy and basically unimportant, but it's fun to see what he does with words and the perfect reason with which he constructs his poems.
Kusu, do you have any real reason for not liking poetry, that you would care to enumerate in some non-barbaric language?
Hey guys, been lurking for what seems like ages, I have finally climbed aboard the PA forums. Though, I have been a member of 360Arcadians for some time.
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Theme != message. Also, writing as a linguistic experiment is common and worthwhile.
Why are you even an english major? You just said "poetry is stupid" and "prose stories are stupid." That is basically everything an English major studies. You seem to despise every form of writing.
Clearly Kusu has never read Poetic Meter & Poetic Form by Paul Fussell.
God is that an amazing book.
Have you ever read e. e. cummings' "[Anyone lived in a pretty how town]"? Christ, I love that poem.
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I will note that I'll read good writing that doesn't go anywhere, but I doubt anybody much cares about my un-educated and non-controversial opinion.
Fuck man, that book rules. I used it a lot when I wrote an essay about Pope and his metrics.
Dude, you dissed PROSE -and- poetry.
Unless you just hate the the written word itself, you're running out of room.
It's one thing to have preferences within something, but you're basically damning literature as a whole.
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just get me to the airport
And put me on a plane
Hurry hurry hurry before I go insane
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my brain
Oh no oh ho
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just put me in a wheelchair
And put me on a plane
Hurry hurry hurry before I go insane
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my brain
Oh no oh ho
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just put me in a wheelchair
And get me to show
Hurry hurry hurry before I go loco
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my toes
Oh no oh ho
Twenty - twenty - twenty four hours to go
I wanna be sedated
Nothing to do
Nowhere to go
I wanna be sedated
Just put me in a wheelchair
And get me to show
Hurry hurry hurry before I go loco
I can't control my fingers
I can't control my toes
Oh no oh ho...
Yes, that would be it.
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What about poetry that isn't in structured meter?
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I don't think you understand the human element of Literature.
Poetry, right now, is pretty much in the crapper.
But historically, oh good lord the power. And in the Non-Western world? Still pretty strong.
:winky: ?
Also, Macbeth is where it's at.
something like 6 weeks into your second semester of sophmore year, you find out about psychoanalytic criticism and how it is basiclly imposible to write something without a theme.
A kindred spirit!
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God damn it, Kusu. This is like day one stuff.
t Thanners: I specifically recall you eating them in the past as part of Operation Lighter Than.
Because the two are totally sexing each other forever.
Again, you may say the message isn't the most important part, but it is a necessary part. Otherwise, the writing is meaningless and stupid.
Also, L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poems didn't have a message or theme. Sure, the movement as a whole had a message, but the individual poems didn't. Same with serial poetry.
Unfortunately LANGUAGE poems and serial poems are bullshit and stupid, but it still disproves your point.
After I read [anyone lived], I went and grabbed a book of cummings' poetry from the library. I would just open to a page and read. [anyone lived] is still my favorite, though.
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anyone up for a game of EPYC poetry? Could be fun?
Yeah. I never appreciated Pope until I read it. Then you realize how amazing he is. Sure, he's stodgy and basically unimportant, but it's fun to see what he does with words and the perfect reason with which he constructs his poems.
Kusu, do you have any real reason for not liking poetry, that you would care to enumerate in some non-barbaric language?