I strongly suspect that a lot of the guilt / depression post-abortion women / girls get is because they're constantly told by society that they should feel depressed over it. Same with rape victims.
Or, you know, the fact that they realize that they just willingly, and purposefully, snuffed out a human life. Abortion IS NOT a wonderful happy thing. It is essentially the definition of a necessary evil. It is understandable why a women would be upset after having one, and we as a society need to support these women in some way, if we want to pretend that we have any kind of compassion at all.
I'm not denying any of that; just saying there's some additional causes too. Abortion isn't a necessary evil though, since it's not necessarily an evil.
Abortion isn't a necessary evil though, since it's not necessarily an evil.
I also consider hiring an exterminator to be a necessary evil, if it helps you to understand what I'm saying.
I am 100% pro-choice, but I think it does the pro-choice movement a disservice to deny that an abortion involves killing a thing. When you ignore ugly or inconvenient truths, you just give your enemies more to attack.
When you recognize them, and explain why they ultimately don't make a difference, then you leave them without those arguments.
Evil isn't real like a chair is real, it's real like art is real, which is to say it exists only in the minds of people, and exists as a different thing in each person's mind. Evil isn't relevant.
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Evil isn't real like a chair is real, it's real like art is real, which is to say it exists only in the minds of people, and exists as a different thing in each person's mind.
Right, that's how I see it, too. So it really hasn't got any objective basis and doesn't really mean anything in the context of an abortion debate. At least, that's how I see it.
Evil isn't real like a chair is real, it's real like art is real, which is to say it exists only in the minds of people, and exists as a different thing in each person's mind.
Right, that's how I see it, too. So it really hasn't got any objective basis and doesn't really mean anything in the context of an abortion debate. At least, that's how I see it.
Indeed. "What is evil" is a question for a separate thread.
We are talking about forcing invasive ultrasounds on women getting abortions, even if BOTH the patient and doctor are opposed.
Did you read your own post?
Regardless, like I said, I doubt they see this as forcing women to do things. They don't see themselves as "forcing" a woman to have a baby, or to undergo whatever is determined to be required medical procedure in performing an abortion. They see getting pregnant and subsequently having an abortion as two things she can choose or not choose.
Again, I'm pretty sure anti-abortionists see it as a matter of force. I get that you're attempting to sympathetically empathise with their mindset, but taking the element of force out of consideration isn't necessary to sympathise with the viewpoint. Not all force is bad.
Again, I'm pretty sure anti-abortionists see it as a matter of force. I get that you're attempting to sympathetically empathise with their mindset, but taking the element of force out of consideration isn't necessary to sympathise with the viewpoint. Not all force is bad.
No, that isn't what I'm saying. I don't care about bad force or not bad force.
The only "force" that I think enters into the head of an anti-abortionist is in what they can enforce upon a doctor who performs hypothetically illegal practices. I honestly don't believe they see themselves as "forcing" women to have babies. Having sex and subsequent biological forces do that. I think this is an important part of the mindset to understand.
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I'm not denying any of that; just saying there's some additional causes too. Abortion isn't a necessary evil though, since it's not necessarily an evil.
I'm pretty sure they do. Forcing people to do something isn't intrinsically negative.
I also consider hiring an exterminator to be a necessary evil, if it helps you to understand what I'm saying.
I am 100% pro-choice, but I think it does the pro-choice movement a disservice to deny that an abortion involves killing a thing. When you ignore ugly or inconvenient truths, you just give your enemies more to attack.
When you recognize them, and explain why they ultimately don't make a difference, then you leave them without those arguments.
Yeah, but what's wrong with killing a thing? I don't agree that cockroaches exterminators are evil.
I didn't say that the person doing the exterminating is evil.
I said that the act of killing is evil. And JUST the act.
An evil that is sometimes necessary.
Why is killing evil? How do you even define evil?
I define evil rather vaguely, I'll admit, but killing is evil because it is a harmful thing that absolutely cannot be undone.
As far as science can show us, you only have one life, and that's it.
Right, that's how I see it, too. So it really hasn't got any objective basis and doesn't really mean anything in the context of an abortion debate. At least, that's how I see it.
Indeed. "What is evil" is a question for a separate thread.
Regardless, like I said, I doubt they see this as forcing women to do things. They don't see themselves as "forcing" a woman to have a baby, or to undergo whatever is determined to be required medical procedure in performing an abortion. They see getting pregnant and subsequently having an abortion as two things she can choose or not choose.
The only "force" that I think enters into the head of an anti-abortionist is in what they can enforce upon a doctor who performs hypothetically illegal practices. I honestly don't believe they see themselves as "forcing" women to have babies. Having sex and subsequent biological forces do that. I think this is an important part of the mindset to understand.
People can find any reason to justify their beliefs/actions.
So not-hard to follow, in fact, that no information coming from this semantic argument is new to anyone.