Terry Moore's Runaways should be good, I don't think he'll have to many problems with them. His current indie book, Echo, has been awesome so far and it has a bit more action which gives me hope for Runaways.
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Is it illegal to kill an evil ninja or henchman of a terrorist organization in the Marvel or DC Universes?
Like, if a member of the hand turns up dead, are the police obligated to investigate or can they just assume he had it coming?
Well, at least in Marvel it's pretty explicit that injured or killed villains are still human, and so their death is investigated based on the evidence. I think you're really asking whether people would get prosecuted: in Marvel, since Vigilantism requires a license, they'd want to find out if a registered hero did it or not. We don't know about the "lethal force" provisions, though, since registered heroes are also in the military.
There is no federal police power, so it's complicated to talk about that sort of thing without being bogged down into legal discussion that no one really wants to have.
I wonder how Wolverine gets away with killing people left and right. I mean, seriously, the man has committed more acts of murders than 95% of the Marvel villains. Didn't he once kill go around killing entire Hydra bases in Cable and Deadpool; this after we met Bob the Hydra agent. The Punisher, at least, gets caught and sent to jail every now and then.
It's portrayed somewhat in the X-Force comic. SHIELD is finding these bases full of dead Purifiers but who killed the Purifiers is buried at the bottom of the list below how the HELL the Purifiers got the tech they had, why there are still so many of them, and why can't SHIELD find them easily.
enemy combatants like Hydra and AIM aren't really treated the same as the run of the mill criminals Punisher goes after
also those sorts of missions Wolverine go on generally aren't public
I dont think any police officers go up investigating the murders in Hydra Arctic Base #6
Missions, hah. You and I both know that Wolverine kills people who aren't part of terrorist networks too. And he kills people when he's in the wrong mood. And for walking down the street. There are plenty of examples where he had to turn on his own teammates.
You'd think there would be some sort of investigation. Sure, he may not be high on the list, but he's so blatant about it. He doesn't even hide it.
So for those of you who have pull lists, what kind of discounts do you get? The comic shop I go to gives 10% if you have 10 books on your list, and 20% if you have 15. Is this an OK deal? I've never done the pull list thing before.
I get a flat 10% discount no matter how many books I have, so you're getting a better deal than I am. Also, I believe there's a thread out there specifically about this topic. You might do a search for it and see what other deals people are getting.
I'm pretty sure I get nothing at all, though occasionally one of the employees takes pity on me if I rack up more than £100 in one purchase and give an employee discount.
I don't get a discount. I asked the guy at my shop about it once, and apparently they tried giving people with pull lists discounts, and almost went under because of it.
Of course, I'm buying fewer and fewer single issues every month, so it doesn't impact me all that much.
enemy combatants like Hydra and AIM aren't really treated the same as the run of the mill criminals Punisher goes after
also those sorts of missions Wolverine go on generally aren't public
I dont think any police officers go up investigating the murders in Hydra Arctic Base #6
Missions, hah. You and I both know that Wolverine kills people who aren't part of terrorist networks too. And he kills people when he's in the wrong mood. And for walking down the street. There are plenty of examples where he had to turn on his own teammates.
You'd think there would be some sort of investigation. Sure, he may not be high on the list, but he's so blatant about it. He doesn't even hide it.
well, due to wolverine's occasional shield status (and all the "work" he's done for various other governments), he might have some sort of "license to kill" that mostly lets him slide. though i think it's important to remember that he doesn't actually like killing people and i don't think he does it as often as you think he does it.
there mostly aren't that many other good characters who consistantly kill people in the mu that aren't already outside the law (like punisher or deadpool). cap might have occasionally hit someone a little too hard, but hey he was a government agent.
Cap's killed tons of people in Brubaker's story. He was in frickin WWII afterall. I guess there's a difference between battlefield casualties and killing criminals though.
Cap's killed tons of people in Brubaker's story. He was in frickin WWII afterall. I guess there's a difference between battlefield casualties and killing criminals though.
sure, cap was a soldier. he mostly stopped killing people after the war, though (although you can't tell me some of the people he hit in the fucking face with the edge of that shield didn't end up with brain damage). but again, he was also a shield agent fighting hydra and aim, the international terrorist organizations. that's not quite the same as daredevil fighting a mugger.
Cap's killed tons of people in Brubaker's story. He was in frickin WWII afterall. I guess there's a difference between battlefield casualties and killing criminals though.
This is where it gets kind of impossible to talk about real-world laws and comics: if you think about either the Marvel or DC Earth, basically the USA in both exist in a constant state of emergency. They literally don't go a week or so without a major terrorist attack somewhere in the country. Sometimes it's Namor holding a tidal wave off the coast of California, sometimes it's Magneto tearing all of NYC into shrapnel. Sometimes it's Joker poisoning all of Gothom, sometimes Mongul destroying an entire west-coast city.
This is one of the things that (indisputably) Civil War got right: there is a LOT of collateral damage when super-people interact. The old Damage Control comics similarly addressed the issue. Basically, for the typical Marvel American, you have no idea if you're going to get home safely.
In that sort of state of emergency, SHIELD and other military groups probably have a lot more room to 'move' in terms of legality. Given that SHIELD is international and yet somehow has jurisdiction across the US, it stands to reason that the registered heroes in Marvel have a standing license to use (lethal) force.
If you guys are going to talk about superhero morality and whatnot, please make another thread. I really don't want to see this general q and a thread bogged down with something like that.
yeah, i know, but thread derailment is a pet peeve of mine, like when the final crisis thread turned into a discussion about dr light and rape jokes and i don't even remember what else. sorry to overstep my bounds
was joe casey's deathlok book worth reading? buying? what about automatic kafka?
well, due to wolverine's occasional shield status (and all the "work" he's done for various other governments), he might have some sort of "license to kill" that mostly lets him slide. though i think it's important to remember that he doesn't actually like killing people and i don't think he does it as often as you think he does it.
there mostly aren't that many other good characters who consistantly kill people in the mu that aren't already outside the law (like punisher or deadpool). cap might have occasionally hit someone a little too hard, but hey he was a government agent.
This is where it gets kind of impossible to talk about real-world laws and comics: if you think about either the Marvel or DC Earth, basically the USA in both exist in a constant state of emergency. They literally don't go a week or so without a major terrorist attack somewhere in the country. Sometimes it's Namor holding a tidal wave off the coast of California, sometimes it's Magneto tearing all of NYC into shrapnel. Sometimes it's Joker poisoning all of Gothom, sometimes Mongul destroying an entire west-coast city.
This is one of the things that (indisputably) Civil War got right: there is a LOT of collateral damage when super-people interact. The old Damage Control comics similarly addressed the issue. Basically, for the typical Marvel American, you have no idea if you're going to get home safely.
In that sort of state of emergency, SHIELD and other military groups probably have a lot more room to 'move' in terms of legality. Given that SHIELD is international and yet somehow has jurisdiction across the US, it stands to reason that the registered heroes in Marvel have a standing license to use (lethal) force.
Those are all points well made, however, they seem to be handing these licenses to whoever has enough primary colors in their wardrobe. Without a whole lot of oversight, this system of government is open to the worst kind of abuses imaginable. And Wolverine is enough evidence that there is no such oversight. Surely, even in a world gone mad, no sane government allows this shit.
Case in point; Wolverine has done a lot of shady stuff. He kills according to his own judgment, which is often skewed by beserker rage or mindcontrol or whatever. Even if he is allowed to roam free, it is insane to put him on a team that's supposed to represent a higher moral standard. At the very least, don't put him on publicity shots.
Even if I thought Civil War didn't make any sense, at least they adressed this stuff.
If you guys are going to talk about superhero morality and whatnot, please make another thread. I really don't want to see this general q and a thread bogged down with something like that.
Is Moon Knight a good book?
doug, it's ok if questions generate little discussions in this thread.
also, i like the new moon knight book, but it's not particularly new-reader friendly, which i say as someone who had never read moon knight before these last two trades of the new series came out. kind of confusing, but definitely unlike any other hero in the marvel u.
If you guys are going to talk about superhero morality and whatnot, please make another thread. I really don't want to see this general q and a thread bogged down with something like that.
Is Moon Knight a good book?
doug, it's ok if questions generate little discussions in this thread.
If you guys are going to talk about superhero morality and whatnot, please make another thread. I really don't want to see this general q and a thread bogged down with something like that.
Is Moon Knight a good book?
Yes.
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So I just got a new job working with crazy kids that involves long drives with them back and forth every which way. What are some good all ages comics? I already have the first couple of volumes of Bone.
I think your idea is going to end up with vomit all over your car. Not just on the floors, but on the windows too. And the ceiling. And the seats. And you.
Is there a temporary moratorium on DC/Marvel crossovers?
Yeah. Both companies have said they don't really see the need for one anymore, since they did JLA/Avengers and basically crammed every character they could in there.
However, there's a rumor that Marvel actually wanted to do a crossover (I recall Bendis lobbying for it a while back), but DC's holding things up, because they refuse to participate until Joe Quesada's gone. This is due to Quesada's remarks a few years ago about how DC, and I'm paraphrasing, had the biggest dick in comics but couldn't get it up. He was referring to their inability to get Superman and Batman's sales out of the gutter.
Ever since then, there's been a bit of animosity between the two companies.
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the Brubaker stuff builds right out of the Bendis run
and while Brubaker's is good, the Bendis/Maleev stuff is better
Like, if a member of the hand turns up dead, are the police obligated to investigate or can they just assume he had it coming?
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the last arc was just as good as bendis stuff easily
Well, at least in Marvel it's pretty explicit that injured or killed villains are still human, and so their death is investigated based on the evidence. I think you're really asking whether people would get prosecuted: in Marvel, since Vigilantism requires a license, they'd want to find out if a registered hero did it or not. We don't know about the "lethal force" provisions, though, since registered heroes are also in the military.
There is no federal police power, so it's complicated to talk about that sort of thing without being bogged down into legal discussion that no one really wants to have.
also those sorts of missions Wolverine go on generally aren't public
I dont think any police officers go up investigating the murders in Hydra Arctic Base #6
Missions, hah. You and I both know that Wolverine kills people who aren't part of terrorist networks too. And he kills people when he's in the wrong mood. And for walking down the street. There are plenty of examples where he had to turn on his own teammates.
You'd think there would be some sort of investigation. Sure, he may not be high on the list, but he's so blatant about it. He doesn't even hide it.
It's about Helen Keller, who in this case is sort of a cross between Daredevil and Wolverine. Sort of. Perhaps it's easier to just show you?
Anally.
I also get dibs on variants while availible as long as they aren't super rare
Of course, I'm buying fewer and fewer single issues every month, so it doesn't impact me all that much.
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well, due to wolverine's occasional shield status (and all the "work" he's done for various other governments), he might have some sort of "license to kill" that mostly lets him slide. though i think it's important to remember that he doesn't actually like killing people and i don't think he does it as often as you think he does it.
there mostly aren't that many other good characters who consistantly kill people in the mu that aren't already outside the law (like punisher or deadpool). cap might have occasionally hit someone a little too hard, but hey he was a government agent.
sure, cap was a soldier. he mostly stopped killing people after the war, though (although you can't tell me some of the people he hit in the fucking face with the edge of that shield didn't end up with brain damage). but again, he was also a shield agent fighting hydra and aim, the international terrorist organizations. that's not quite the same as daredevil fighting a mugger.
This is where it gets kind of impossible to talk about real-world laws and comics: if you think about either the Marvel or DC Earth, basically the USA in both exist in a constant state of emergency. They literally don't go a week or so without a major terrorist attack somewhere in the country. Sometimes it's Namor holding a tidal wave off the coast of California, sometimes it's Magneto tearing all of NYC into shrapnel. Sometimes it's Joker poisoning all of Gothom, sometimes Mongul destroying an entire west-coast city.
This is one of the things that (indisputably) Civil War got right: there is a LOT of collateral damage when super-people interact. The old Damage Control comics similarly addressed the issue. Basically, for the typical Marvel American, you have no idea if you're going to get home safely.
In that sort of state of emergency, SHIELD and other military groups probably have a lot more room to 'move' in terms of legality. Given that SHIELD is international and yet somehow has jurisdiction across the US, it stands to reason that the registered heroes in Marvel have a standing license to use (lethal) force.
Is Moon Knight a good book?
and no, it isnt
was joe casey's deathlok book worth reading? buying? what about automatic kafka?
Those are all points well made, however, they seem to be handing these licenses to whoever has enough primary colors in their wardrobe. Without a whole lot of oversight, this system of government is open to the worst kind of abuses imaginable. And Wolverine is enough evidence that there is no such oversight. Surely, even in a world gone mad, no sane government allows this shit.
Case in point; Wolverine has done a lot of shady stuff. He kills according to his own judgment, which is often skewed by beserker rage or mindcontrol or whatever. Even if he is allowed to roam free, it is insane to put him on a team that's supposed to represent a higher moral standard. At the very least, don't put him on publicity shots.
Even if I thought Civil War didn't make any sense, at least they adressed this stuff.
doug, it's ok if questions generate little discussions in this thread.
also, i like the new moon knight book, but it's not particularly new-reader friendly, which i say as someone who had never read moon knight before these last two trades of the new series came out. kind of confusing, but definitely unlike any other hero in the marvel u.
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Yes.
Depending on their ages, Blue Beetle may be a good bet too. It would be aimed more at a slightly older age though.
any opinions on joe casey's deathlok? automatic kafka?
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Fuck, I hate being a passenger in cars.
DiDio has said he won't do any while Quesada is still EiC at Marvel
Yeah. Both companies have said they don't really see the need for one anymore, since they did JLA/Avengers and basically crammed every character they could in there.
However, there's a rumor that Marvel actually wanted to do a crossover (I recall Bendis lobbying for it a while back), but DC's holding things up, because they refuse to participate until Joe Quesada's gone. This is due to Quesada's remarks a few years ago about how DC, and I'm paraphrasing, had the biggest dick in comics but couldn't get it up. He was referring to their inability to get Superman and Batman's sales out of the gutter.
Ever since then, there's been a bit of animosity between the two companies.
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