such a thing has been suggesed before. I think now that it's something the mods are supposed to regulate really.
Actually, this specific thing hasn't been iirc.
Just one click through with a reminder, a link, a "Yup, I gotcha" check box and an okay button that shows up the very first time a new user tries to create a thread, and keeps showing up when they try to create a thread until they click the check box and hit OK. And it could just be for creating new threads, not for replying.
I can't see the harm.
Of course, I don't think it'll make the slightest fucking difference, but it'd be fun to try. Oh, and yes, I am saying that from the position of the person who wouldn't be in charge of making it happen.
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I installed a program on my computer the other day - I don't recall what it was - and when the licence agreement thing came up the I Agree check box was greyed out. i soon figured out that the only way to be able to select it was to scroll all the way to the bottom of the licence.
Needles to say, I just scrolled right to the bottom and didn't read a damn word.
My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
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My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
Burn... :P
Just let them do what the hell they want... We already have people that say "OMG, read the rules" and the Mods can jail and/or ban the crap out of the n00bs that step out of line.
My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
I don't see how that is any more retarded than a check-box and an OK button. See, with a chedck-box and an OK button, they could just go "yeahyeahyeah I read the rules sure thing boss" and fly right into "HILARIOUS NEW WEBCOMIC" mode. With my proposal, they would be forced to read the rules before they could read or post in any other thread.
My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
I don't see how that is any more retarded than a check-box and an OK button. See, with a chedck-box and an OK button, they could just go "yeahyeahyeah I read the rules sure thing boss" and fly right into "HILARIOUS NEW WEBCOMIC" mode. With my proposal, they would be forced to read the rules before they could read or post in any other thread.
Actually, they wouldn't. Not having access to other stuff by no means forces or guarantees rule-reading. It just results in an idle pupa period before the "OMG muthafucka wheeeeeeeeeeeeee IM A POSTIN' BUTTAFLY" stage.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
I don't see how that is any more retarded than a check-box and an OK button. See, with a chedck-box and an OK button, they could just go "yeahyeahyeah I read the rules sure thing boss" and fly right into "HILARIOUS NEW WEBCOMIC" mode. With my proposal, they would be forced to read the rules before they could read or post in any other thread.
Actually, they wouldn't. Not having access to other stuff by no means forces or guarantees rule-reading. It just results in an idle pupa period before the "OMG muthafucka wheeeeeeeeeeeeee IM A POSTIN' BUTTAFLY" stage.
My second, stupider idea was a quiz. You could browse all you want but you couldn't post until you passed a quiz on the various forum rules. If you wanted to create a thread, you had to pass a much harder quiz.
Like I said, stupid.
Maybe there is no real solution to stuff like this besides the tried-and-true method of bannination.
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edited September 2004
New forumers are not diseased ridden and they don't come like locusts to devour your posts and pages en masse.
Let the mods do their jobs and you can do your part.
Ignore the stupid threads you jackasses.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I disagree with anything that makes it really annoying to join the boards.
You know, like everythind Red said.
And checkboxes and "click OK if you read the rules" aren't annoying?
By themselves, they are annoying in a minor way that's soon forgotten. Compared to having an enforced idle, which would make quite a few people think the board's run by dipshits who think they're dealing with twelve-year-olds, they are a pleasant summer breeze.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
New forumers are not diseased ridden and they don't come like locusts to devour your posts and pages en masse.
I know, but a lot of them just miss the rules sticky. I did when I first joined.
If that is the problem I just need to find a way to make the rules more easily accessible. Im holding out on designing such a thing as phpBB 2.2.x has a pretty nice system in place.
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edited September 2004
What a lot of you don't seem to understand is that the vast majority of new people follow the rules and don't cause any problem. It's only a small but highly visible minority that fuck up.
I see no reason to inconvienience the vast majority because of a few fuck ups.
no orthanc is wrong burn all the noobs. booo booo kill them run them out of their village homes. steal their possesions.
um yeah....
i thought there was gonna be like whole forum rules. like all of the on topic forums were gonna have similar and stricter rules and the same for the chat forum.
I didn't even know there was a rules thread until 3 months after joining. Then again, I didn't have that much experience with forums.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
New forumers are not diseased ridden and they don't come like locusts to devour your posts and pages en masse.
I know, but a lot of them just miss the rules sticky. I did when I first joined.
If that is the problem I just need to find a way to make the rules more easily accessible. Im holding out on designing such a thing as phpBB 2.2.x has a pretty nice system in place.
The only thing I would do is add onto the "click here if you are over 13" page is put in big pastel colors EACH FORUM HAS ITS OWN RULES THREAD THAT YOU NEED TO CHECK BEFORE POSTING so that it is obvious, unobtrusive, and not frustrating to the newbies.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
What a lot of you don't seem to understand is that the vast majority of new people follow the rules and don't cause any problem. It's only a small but highly visible minority that fuck up.
I see no reason to inconvienience the vast majority because of a few fuck ups.
This is a good and very fair point. The only further restriction I'd be willing to endorse would be the safety catch on making a first new thread, but that'd be too much effort and accomplish nothing anyhow.
Munkus's suggestion is a good one though. That's a point that needs to be made in huge, friendly coloured letters on the signup page, because a lot of people legitimately miss that point. They assume all the rules are the same, or that the rules are all fairly typical, when there are a lot of really specific rules that aren't altogether obvious, and aren't present everywhere.
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My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
I don't see how that is any more retarded than a check-box and an OK button. See, with a chedck-box and an OK button, they could just go "yeahyeahyeah I read the rules sure thing boss" and fly right into "HILARIOUS NEW WEBCOMIC" mode. With my proposal, they would be forced to read the rules before they could read or post in any other thread.
And thus prove they ignored the rules by breaking one, giving the mods no qualms against telling them where they can firmly plant their topic.
My suggestion was that for the first week (or 48-72 hours) of an account's life, the all forums are viewable, but the only threads viewable in those forums are the rules threads. Either that or make a special rules forum, and allow the new accounts to only view that thread for a predetermined length of time.
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
With some tweaks, it could be a good idea.
How about read-only access for the first 72 hours after registration. It would serve two purposes:
1.) It would get new users acclimated to how the forums work.
2.) It would discourage people from signing up just to make stupid posts and/or create an alt.
People would still be able to read, just not respond or start new threads.
I'm also a big fan of people below a certain postcount (say 25) being unable to start new threads.
Because it's not necessary. Quite apart from anything else, if you're willing to sit on your hands for two days before you're given the privilige of posting here, you're probably a bit of a gimp anyway.
No it doesn't. It just makes people do things a few days later, or more likely not do anything at all. Most people here wouldn't have bothered if there was a waiting period.
If you can't make it thru a few days of reading-only, then, to quote you, you're probably a bit of a gimp anyway.
If we could have weeded out the majority of the retards that post here in the first place, the forums would be a much better place and you probably wouldn't be such a hardass.
To point, the spammers. They sign up, get activated, and then post a thread about their "hilarious new webcomic" or their "killer new game site" or whatnot. Making them wait a couple days to do this would not only discourgae this kind of thing, but would also cut down on it SHARPLY, as many people odn't have the patience to wait two hours to make their new thread in the heat of the spam, much less two days. Many people just want to come on the forums, spam away, and get out. There are other people, however, who want to come and spam away repeatedly (a good example is Mr. Glub Glub), and the waiting period would deter this not only by preventing their spamming, but also by enticing them to spam other forums where there are less lenient restrictions.
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If you can't make it thru a few days of reading-only, then, to quote you, you're probably a bit of a gimp anyway.
If we could have weeded out the majority of the retards that post here in the first place, the forums would be a much better place and you probably wouldn't be such a hardass.
Well, it screws over lurkers that haven't gotten around to registering. That's one pretty big drawback. Plus, foruming isn't that complicated. We don't really need a waiting period. I have seen no evidence of the mods being overwhelmed with "Hi! I'm new!" threads or generic rookie mistakes.
If you can't make it thru a few days of reading-only, then, to quote you, you're probably a bit of a gimp anyway.
If we could have weeded out the majority of the retards that post here in the first place, the forums would be a much better place and you probably wouldn't be such a hardass.
Well, it screws over lurkers that haven't gotten around to registering. That's one pretty big drawback. Plus, foruming isn't that complicated. We don't really need a waiting period. I have seen no evidence of the mods being overwhelmed with "Hi! I'm new!" threads or generic rookie mistakes.
Lurkers would know the system and, honestly, if you've lurked for several (days|weeks|months), what's another 2 days?
I agree that there's no blatant evidence of mods being overwhelmed with their duties but why not nip it in the bud BEFORE they start to become burdened? They won't notice a difference, and it'll be one thing they'll never have to worry about.
I agree that there's no blatant evidence of mods being overwhelmed with their duties but why not nip it in the bud BEFORE they start to become burdened?
It occurs to me that locking the forums would take care of 100% of the idiots and absolutely guarantee that the mods don't become overwhelmed.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
What a lot of you don't seem to understand is that the vast majority of new people follow the rules and don't cause any problem. It's only a small but highly visible minority that fuck up.
I see no reason to inconvienience the vast majority because of a few fuck ups.
This is a good and very fair point. The only further restriction I'd be willing to endorse would be the safety catch on making a first new thread, but that'd be too much effort and accomplish nothing anyhow.
Well, I don't know how to code so I didn't know how much work it would take.
It wouldn't be worth it if it required too much effort.
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DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
If you can't make it thru a few days of reading-only, then, to quote you, you're probably a bit of a gimp anyway.
If we could have weeded out the majority of the retards that post here in the first place, the forums would be a much better place and you probably wouldn't be such a hardass.
Well, it screws over lurkers that haven't gotten around to registering. That's one pretty big drawback. Plus, foruming isn't that complicated. We don't really need a waiting period. I have seen no evidence of the mods being overwhelmed with "Hi! I'm new!" threads or generic rookie mistakes.
Lurkers would know the system and, honestly, if you've lurked for several (days|weeks|months), what's another 2 days?
I agree that there's no blatant evidence of mods being overwhelmed with their duties but why not nip it in the bud BEFORE they start to become burdened? They won't notice a difference, and it'll be one thing they'll never have to worry about.
BEFORE? The forums have been around for a long time. This has yet to be a problem. Based on that trend, I don't see why it should be protected against. You seem to get on a lot of drives for tweaks to the forums.
As far as lurkers, maybe when they finally signup, they have something relevant to say that day. Forcing them to wait 2 days or whatever while a topic could cool is bullshit.
the only time such things ever become a problem is when user responce gets out of hand or when disoriented noobs don't understand why their thread was locked and then feel vengance needs to be sought out
really even people starting a thread that says hey look I've got something cool isn't a bad thing, so long as what they have is actually cool... which is rare. and one of the times where this did happen some of you fucked it up for the rest of us who might have been interested. realistically we can all judge what is good and what is bad, and while our oppinions may differ many of us have like interest. it's only when someone comes in here with the explicit desire to sell something and they try to trick us into liking it that we should have a problem.
and let me clarify this.
an example of maybe what should happen when something of quality is being presented to us:
Most people join forums because they have something to say. Sometimes the thing they have to say is pretty fucking retarded, but that's because they're morons. If you don't allow people to register and say the thing they wanted to say that made them register, they won't register at all (or they'll register, figure it out, say "fuck that" and wander off again).
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Actually, this specific thing hasn't been iirc.
Just one click through with a reminder, a link, a "Yup, I gotcha" check box and an okay button that shows up the very first time a new user tries to create a thread, and keeps showing up when they try to create a thread until they click the check box and hit OK. And it could just be for creating new threads, not for replying.
I can't see the harm.
Of course, I don't think it'll make the slightest fucking difference, but it'd be fun to try. Oh, and yes, I am saying that from the position of the person who wouldn't be in charge of making it happen.
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Needles to say, I just scrolled right to the bottom and didn't read a damn word.
Moral of the story? How the hell would I know?
Yes, thanks for reminding us of a suggestion that HAS been shot down for being retarded already.
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Burn... :P
Just let them do what the hell they want... We already have people that say "OMG, read the rules" and the Mods can jail and/or ban the crap out of the n00bs that step out of line.
Actually, they wouldn't. Not having access to other stuff by no means forces or guarantees rule-reading. It just results in an idle pupa period before the "OMG muthafucka wheeeeeeeeeeeeee IM A POSTIN' BUTTAFLY" stage.
Like I said, stupid.
Maybe there is no real solution to stuff like this besides the tried-and-true method of bannination.
Let the mods do their jobs and you can do your part.
Ignore the stupid threads you jackasses.
You know, like everythind Red said.
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By themselves, they are annoying in a minor way that's soon forgotten. Compared to having an enforced idle, which would make quite a few people think the board's run by dipshits who think they're dealing with twelve-year-olds, they are a pleasant summer breeze.
I see no reason to inconvienience the vast majority because of a few fuck ups.
um yeah....
i thought there was gonna be like whole forum rules. like all of the on topic forums were gonna have similar and stricter rules and the same for the chat forum.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
The only thing I would do is add onto the "click here if you are over 13" page is put in big pastel colors EACH FORUM HAS ITS OWN RULES THREAD THAT YOU NEED TO CHECK BEFORE POSTING so that it is obvious, unobtrusive, and not frustrating to the newbies.
stupid stupid stupid.
Just...because..you know.
This is a good and very fair point. The only further restriction I'd be willing to endorse would be the safety catch on making a first new thread, but that'd be too much effort and accomplish nothing anyhow.
Munkus's suggestion is a good one though. That's a point that needs to be made in huge, friendly coloured letters on the signup page, because a lot of people legitimately miss that point. They assume all the rules are the same, or that the rules are all fairly typical, when there are a lot of really specific rules that aren't altogether obvious, and aren't present everywhere.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
And thus prove they ignored the rules by breaking one, giving the mods no qualms against telling them where they can firmly plant their topic.
With some tweaks, it could be a good idea.
How about read-only access for the first 72 hours after registration. It would serve two purposes:
1.) It would get new users acclimated to how the forums work.
2.) It would discourage people from signing up just to make stupid posts and/or create an alt.
People would still be able to read, just not respond or start new threads.
I'm also a big fan of people below a certain postcount (say 25) being unable to start new threads.
Your thoughts?
If we could have weeded out the majority of the retards that post here in the first place, the forums would be a much better place and you probably wouldn't be such a hardass.
Lurkers would know the system and, honestly, if you've lurked for several (days|weeks|months), what's another 2 days?
I agree that there's no blatant evidence of mods being overwhelmed with their duties but why not nip it in the bud BEFORE they start to become burdened? They won't notice a difference, and it'll be one thing they'll never have to worry about.
It occurs to me that locking the forums would take care of 100% of the idiots and absolutely guarantee that the mods don't become overwhelmed.
It wouldn't be worth it if it required too much effort.
As far as lurkers, maybe when they finally signup, they have something relevant to say that day. Forcing them to wait 2 days or whatever while a topic could cool is bullshit.
really even people starting a thread that says hey look I've got something cool isn't a bad thing, so long as what they have is actually cool... which is rare. and one of the times where this did happen some of you fucked it up for the rest of us who might have been interested. realistically we can all judge what is good and what is bad, and while our oppinions may differ many of us have like interest. it's only when someone comes in here with the explicit desire to sell something and they try to trick us into liking it that we should have a problem.
and let me clarify this.
an example of maybe what should happen when something of quality is being presented to us:
and now when an ass is selling to us fuckism.org is also his avatar and www site
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