What they should do is just make all exams open book.
That's not even a bad idea if education was based more on applying what you know rather than just showing you can regurgitate what the professor or a textbook said.
My ex is a student teacher. She once told me that for a simple essay she assigned, some kid just printed out the Wikipedia entry on the subject and turned that in.
But I am very angsty about the examination system.
I want to learn things but usually the curriculum gets in the way. If I could afford it I would have a private tutor. Unfortunately a certain thing called "learning stuff on your own without paying $20,000 for a piece of paper" doesn't get you to far unless you are extremely lucky.
I cheated so much during my education. One of my high school teachers used to have his break period before my class, but he'd leave his room open so students could come in and settle before he got back. I would take this time to walk over to his desk, look at the answer key for the quiz of the day, and help everybody present memorize it.
There was also a time when we had a history final that I had to ace to keep my gpa high enough to stay in the school choir (they required a B+ average). I had absolutely no chance of passing this thing, even though we were told we could bring in one page of notes. That's when one of the other members of the choir approached me with a photocopied page of the answers to the test. It was formatted in a way that made it look like regular notes and everything. All 6 of the choir members in that class got a 100%
In my french class we would have monthly aural exams. The professor would say something in French, and we'd use our little recording stations to provide the appropriate answer. If there were times when I didn't know what to say I'd just wait a half second and focus on what the people around me said. It was one of those things that you learn to do trying to sing along with the songs on the radio.
And I wrote compositions for about 10 students while I was in the music department.
After the first test in each class I would have a pretty good feel for what parts of the textbooks the professors found most important, and would make sure all my peers knew it as well so they could just focus on those parts and coast.
What they should do is just make all exams open book.
That's not even a bad idea if education was based more on applying what you know rather than just showing you can regurgitate what the professor or a textbook said.
That's what it was like for nearly every exam I had at university.
As it was engineering, they can't honestly expect you to remember half the code. That an in a true office environment which is what they are teaching us to work in, we would have access to texts.
In all seriousness it's been that long since I have had a closed book exam I would be fucking lost, the last closed book exam I had was back in first year chemistry.
there was this one though
they stopped giving answers to past papers, maybe they didnt even give out past papers im not sure
i didnt even get the textbook for this subject, just printed out all the lecture notes
and some guy got past paper answers off someone who did it the year before
hadnt dont any work all semester so im studying off all these notes and past papers tryin to cram everything as much as i can and not getting anythin done
then i think there was some talk it may be open book, or i turned up on the day and found out it was open book i forget
anyway i think some people didnt know and didnt bring notes so they got screwed
i pull out this fat pile of loose sheets
and one of the questions was reused
My voice teacher was also in charge of courses such as vocal pedagogy and diction. She sticks to a really strict schedule that doesn't have any of the bullshit you would get in other courses, but if anything happened at all that interfered with that schedule she would not be able to get things back on track. The solution for her was always to change the in-class essay exams to a simple take-home test. I'd always see a couple emails flying around asking what the answers were to the more difficult questions.
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One of my old lecturers would have in exactly 3 questions in his exam. If you made any mistake in the question you get 0 marks for it.
However they were all repeats of previous exams (With small changes but you would use the same process) so it wasn't too bad.
I did really well in a physics test today... except I used 1x10^-9 instead of ^-6 for microfarads because I didn't look at the mu and thought it was an n, whoops
I think about 2/3s of the questions depended on that
Didn't you notice when you were out by a factor of a thousand?
Seriously it's one of the first things we were taught at uni.
If it looks wrong, it probably is.
If it looks right, you should really check it anyway.
Well it was all electricity stuff which I'm not too great at anyway, and I was really hungry at the time
there wasn't much background given, it was just 'this is a circuit, 1 megaohm resistor here, 2microfarad capacitor here and 3mf one here'
'oh time constant of .002 seconds, must be one of those ones to stop switches bouncing or something'
I'm the guy that people cheat from in chemistry 8-)
Our teacher must realise that he's terrible or something, he just walked out of the room for half an hour when we were doing the working for our titration test
When I notice this guy that I don't like who thinks he's the smartest guy ever copying off me I write unintelligible bullshit on the unprinted sides of pages and then look at him and make even more incomprehensible gestures with my head
I got an A, they both got a B+ (due in part to their lab performance)
Did it get you laid?
I'm sure it could have.
So you mean
"no"
So I mean
"yes if I were single"
I'm married you see
But, you've already admitted you're a cheater. Now you have standards? tsk tsk. It's like a woman saying she'd take a million dollars for a lay but saying she's not a whore. You're just haggling.
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I saw so many dudes who were clearly cheating in my PDE final
Ruining the curve
I wanted to kill them
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edited June 2008
It took me a couple of tries to get through PDE. God I was so fucking lazy. At the time going to a comic book store instead of class seemed like a good idea. Also, the first (or maybe the second) one that I attempted was intended for math majors. I never should have signed up for that one. There was one test aside from the final and it was after the drop deadline. So if you failed it you were pretty much fucked. I failed it.
I'd like to think that if I went back to school I'd have much more discipline. It'd be my own money so I probably would.
Also, I never ever came close to cheating in college. I did cheat on like one insignificant homework math quiz my junior year in high school. I also aided cheating a couple of times. I was the smart kid.
There’s a fairly famous cheating story that’s been going around for years in the university I went to.
It goes like this. Four guys studying the same subject (no one ever agrees what it is) have spent their entire first year drinking, socialising and doing anything that does not in any way resemble study. Their exam is the next day. They sit up all night trying to learn a year of work in twelve hours.
They wake up half an hour after the exam has begun.
After a few minutes of blind panic, one guy has a solution. They’re going to wait until the exam has finished, then go to their professor together, and say that they had to attend a funeral in their hometown. While driving back, one of their tyres burst. They were stranded in the middle of nowhere for several hours while waiting for someone to come and change the wheel.
The professor hears the sob story and tells them no problem. They’re to come back in an hour and he’ll let them sit the exam while he supervises.
They spend the hour interrogating classmates about the exam and cramming as many of the answers as they possibly can. When the time comes to do the exam, the four of them are put in a large, empty room, each in a corner, and given the paper. The first page is exactly as their classmates described. Five questions, one percent per question. Easy stuff.
There’s a fairly famous cheating story that’s been going around for years in the university I went to.
It goes like this. Four guys studying the same subject (no one ever agrees what it is) have spent their entire first year drinking, socialising and doing anything that does not in any way resemble study. Their exam is the next day. They sit up all night trying to learn a year of work in twelve hours.
They wake up half an hour after the exam has begun.
After a few minutes of blind panic, one guy has a solution. They’re going to wait until the exam has finished, then go to their professor together, and say that they had to attend a funeral in their hometown. While driving back, one of their tyres burst. They were stranded in the middle of nowhere for several hours while waiting for someone to come and change the wheel.
The professor hears the sob story and tells them no problem. They’re to come back in an hour and he’ll let them sit the exam while he supervises.
They spend the hour interrogating classmates about the exam and cramming as many of the answers as they possibly can. When the time comes to do the exam, the four of them are put in a large, empty room, each in a corner, and given the paper. The first page is exactly as their classmates described. Five questions, one percent per question. Easy stuff.
Second page. One question. 95%.
"Which wheel?"
This is the greatest story.
Iv heard that story before lol, but I always thought how funny it would be if they all wrote down the same tire. Wouldn't you think of getting your stories straight before going to the prof anyways?
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edited June 2008
Senior year of high school, my Spanish teacher gave us the exact same assignment as a project we had done the previous year. Same wording and format on the sheet, everything. I figured if the Spanish department were that lazy, I might as well be too. So I found the old project saved on my computer and printed it out again.
I guess they didn't notice, but I got a C on a project that had previously got an A. The last year's teacher basically adored me, which I think is what made the difference.
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I tried cheating once, it was a heap of effort. In all honesty unless you know the exact answers you are better off studying for the exam.
When I was a teaching assistant, I loved to look for cheaters. For the most part the class was essays and an essay exam, so there wasn't much cheating to worry about. But I did catch two girls with almost the exact same paper. It was the same paper, but you could tell the who was copying off of who because one was dumber than the other. We were also warned to check the Bob Marley Wikipedia page in case students copied out of it. Sure enough, I found an essay with about two pages taken straight from the page.
After reading those essays and the essay exams, I felt like my students needed some remedial English lessons. Imagine reading 100 tests with 4-6 pages of handwritten brutality against the English language sprinkled liberally with a dose of fucking retarded. I had to stop reading every couple hours because I wanted to kill every last one of them.
When I was a teaching assistant, I loved to look for cheaters. For the most part the class was essays and an essay exam, so there wasn't much cheating to worry about. But I did catch two girls with almost the exact same paper. It was the same paper, but you could tell the who was copying off of who because one was dumber than the other. We were also warned to check the Bob Marley Wikipedia page in case students copied out of it. Sure enough, I found an essay with about two pages taken straight from the page.
I want to think that this was a European History class and the students were just unnaturally fascinated with Bob Marley.
Actually the class was an anthropology class on music and culture. The professor tried to make it interesting with sections on Jamaica, Brazil, Heavy Metal, and the Punk scene, among others.
Iv heard that story before lol, but I always thought how funny it would be if they all wrote down the same tire. Wouldn't you think of getting your stories straight before going to the prof anyways?
Anyone dumb enough to do what they did would not be smart enough to think of doing something that simple.
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cheating probably genuinely bugs me more than anything else
Satans..... hints.....
im copying this post from someone else
how do you like that
That's not even a bad idea if education was based more on applying what you know rather than just showing you can regurgitate what the professor or a textbook said.
yeah that sounds about right for me as well
nnnnnnnnoooooooooooooo
But I am very angsty about the examination system.
I want to learn things but usually the curriculum gets in the way. If I could afford it I would have a private tutor. Unfortunately a certain thing called "learning stuff on your own without paying $20,000 for a piece of paper" doesn't get you to far unless you are extremely lucky.
There was also a time when we had a history final that I had to ace to keep my gpa high enough to stay in the school choir (they required a B+ average). I had absolutely no chance of passing this thing, even though we were told we could bring in one page of notes. That's when one of the other members of the choir approached me with a photocopied page of the answers to the test. It was formatted in a way that made it look like regular notes and everything. All 6 of the choir members in that class got a 100%
In my french class we would have monthly aural exams. The professor would say something in French, and we'd use our little recording stations to provide the appropriate answer. If there were times when I didn't know what to say I'd just wait a half second and focus on what the people around me said. It was one of those things that you learn to do trying to sing along with the songs on the radio.
And I wrote compositions for about 10 students while I was in the music department.
After the first test in each class I would have a pretty good feel for what parts of the textbooks the professors found most important, and would make sure all my peers knew it as well so they could just focus on those parts and coast.
i still only got an eighty five
That's what it was like for nearly every exam I had at university.
As it was engineering, they can't honestly expect you to remember half the code. That an in a true office environment which is what they are teaching us to work in, we would have access to texts.
In all seriousness it's been that long since I have had a closed book exam I would be fucking lost, the last closed book exam I had was back in first year chemistry.
Satans..... hints.....
totally reminds me. Statistics class. The teacher posted his homeworks as website/hw/1q.doc
so i tried hw/1a.doc, and it worked.
so did /hw/2a.doc
Out of curiousity I tried /tests/1a.doc...nothing. However, /exams/1a.doc....YOU SUNK MY BATTLE SHIP
there was this one though
they stopped giving answers to past papers, maybe they didnt even give out past papers im not sure
i didnt even get the textbook for this subject, just printed out all the lecture notes
and some guy got past paper answers off someone who did it the year before
hadnt dont any work all semester so im studying off all these notes and past papers tryin to cram everything as much as i can and not getting anythin done
then i think there was some talk it may be open book, or i turned up on the day and found out it was open book i forget
anyway i think some people didnt know and didnt bring notes so they got screwed
i pull out this fat pile of loose sheets
and one of the questions was reused
huge fucking break cos i still just barely passed
However they were all repeats of previous exams (With small changes but you would use the same process) so it wasn't too bad.
Satans..... hints.....
I think about 2/3s of the questions depended on that
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Seriously it's one of the first things we were taught at uni.
If it looks wrong, it probably is.
If it looks right, you should really check it anyway.
Satans..... hints.....
Well it was all electricity stuff which I'm not too great at anyway, and I was really hungry at the time
there wasn't much background given, it was just 'this is a circuit, 1 megaohm resistor here, 2microfarad capacitor here and 3mf one here'
'oh time constant of .002 seconds, must be one of those ones to stop switches bouncing or something'
I'm the guy that people cheat from in chemistry 8-)
Our teacher must realise that he's terrible or something, he just walked out of the room for half an hour when we were doing the working for our titration test
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I managed to copy the name of my neighbor too :P
Never cheated since that
but when i do
i usually do worse than if i had ended up doing it myself
I don't think he's picked up on it yet
kpop appreciation station i also like to tweet some
teach me to make incomprehensible gestures with my head
i want to know
basically this
sort of a 'come here' or 'look behind me' gesture then look at him as if we both understand what I'm getting at now
kpop appreciation station i also like to tweet some
you'll learn about me.
And you'll like it.
Edit: wait, what the hell forums? that wasn't the last page!
Ruining the curve
I wanted to kill them
I'd like to think that if I went back to school I'd have much more discipline. It'd be my own money so I probably would.
Also, I never ever came close to cheating in college. I did cheat on like one insignificant homework math quiz my junior year in high school. I also aided cheating a couple of times. I was the smart kid.
This is the greatest story.
Iv heard that story before lol, but I always thought how funny it would be if they all wrote down the same tire. Wouldn't you think of getting your stories straight before going to the prof anyways?
I guess they didn't notice, but I got a C on a project that had previously got an A. The last year's teacher basically adored me, which I think is what made the difference.
Satans..... hints.....
After reading those essays and the essay exams, I felt like my students needed some remedial English lessons. Imagine reading 100 tests with 4-6 pages of handwritten brutality against the English language sprinkled liberally with a dose of fucking retarded. I had to stop reading every couple hours because I wanted to kill every last one of them.
I want to think that this was a European History class and the students were just unnaturally fascinated with Bob Marley.
I don't know why, but those tests make me nervous as fuck.