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Älphämönkëy
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Ok, there have been a lot of issues with the chatforum and the forums not syncing up right. I just added a quick fix. If something is borked that used to not be borked and you want it unborked, let me know in here.
Things you will notice the different :
-PMs on this side and on the other side are now shared. If you want a day to get your old PMs back, let me know and I can disable this temporarily
-The other side now has the default user table. This means your profile over here and your profile over there are now the same. If this causes issues, Im sorry, I know people like having different sigs for each, Im sorry. The next version of the forums will handle this better.
-This website is now single sign on, if you sign out over here, you sign out over there and vice versa. This will cause some issues in the "Who is online" page, that is a bug that I am working on.
-If you registered on this side and not on that side, you need to re-register.
Ok that should be it, sorry about any interruptions, I hope this does more harm than good... wait... no more good than harm... Riiiiiiiight...
Things you will notice the different :
-PMs on this side and on the other side are now shared. If you want a day to get your old PMs back, let me know and I can disable this temporarily
-The other side now has the default user table. This means your profile over here and your profile over there are now the same. If this causes issues, Im sorry, I know people like having different sigs for each, Im sorry. The next version of the forums will handle this better.
-This website is now single sign on, if you sign out over here, you sign out over there and vice versa. This will cause some issues in the "Who is online" page, that is a bug that I am working on.
-If you registered on this side and not on that side, you need to re-register.
Ok that should be it, sorry about any interruptions, I hope this does more harm than good... wait... no more good than harm... Riiiiiiiight...
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And ignore my PM. I just realised that I have no saveable PMs in SE anyway.
My sweet, untouched Miranda
And while the seagulls are crying
We fall but our souls are flying
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Futility lost all his PMs about the forum battles.
And I lost my reminder PMs.
Uh, find out why they were jailed here and if possible unjail them. I can't fix the entire jail system tonight.
Let me setup a quick site to get back old PMs
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
It's happened three times now. Seems rather more often than the usual rates of random death. It would be a pretty big co-incidence. I'll try to keep an eye out for a common pattern since it's certainly not everytime I click the arrow.
Aww man!
Oh, ok then.
One thing I'm noticing is that New Posts on the Index page seem to update a lot faster - like, before it would show me new posts but the new ones would sort of 'expire' after a few hours wether I looked at them or not. Now they seem to expire randomly and in general a lot sooner. Like, I'll sign in in the morning, most of the forums will be marked with red folders, I'll go into G&T or somewhere and after about fifteen minutes forums I haven't even visited yet are suddenly marked with yellow folders.
Dunno if that's related and it isn't a big deal but, well, thats what seems to be happening.
EDIT: And when I did sign in, everything, EVERYTHING, was marked as read.
EDIT2: It does this consitantly.
That's my take on things. But eh, we'll work it out. We always did in the past.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Likewise, I'd like to see local banning back, but not local jailing.
Why not have a cheap-as-free force of Deputies out there who can handle a problem? Better coverage, which is something particularly needed in H&R, where despite the fact that there are about a hojillion mods, shit is pulled and still stays under the radar.
Well, if you've got a problem with shit being pulled and falling under the radar, maybe you should get people PMing mods when shit gets pulled.
In H&R not every thread will be read. Even with 24 hour coverage, there's too much shit going on to expect each and every post made to be seen by a mod at some point because it's not like every mod knows what every other mod has read. There's a certain expectation that when shit happens, someone will PM something.
If people aren't willing to do that much, no amount of coverage is going to change anything.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I call bullocks. Infinite coverage would change it all.
H&R does not need deputies because they have enough mod coverage already.
No one can be everywhere all the time. It isn't the responsibility of a mod to check every post that is made everyday, so stuff slips by. If forums took responsibility and let a mod know, then justice would be swifter.
If there is a problem and no mod has received a PM about it, then it isn't their fault that the situation didn't get addressed. If you need to contact a mod, your best bet is via the Who is online link at the top of the page. The online mods are listed first, and you can get your problem addressed in a heartbeat.
(In short listen to pheezer. He's right on the money.)
I would to G&T, go to H&R, come back to the on-topic forums and it looked like there were no new posts, but there were.
I was about to pm alpha, good thing I read this thread.
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
Omnipresent mods wouldn't actually solve it. You'd need omniscient mods. Just because a mod was always there no matter what does not imply that every single post would be read, because as I stated, the mods wouldn't know what the other mods read, and posts are made too quickly for anyone person to read every single one made anyhow.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Yeah, I'm getting them too...
While I was joking and didn't mean a word of what I said, I would like to point out that if we had infinite coverage, we could assign a single mod to each post, thereby having each post monitored.
im getting the same problem as well.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Oh, I know. But now we're careening down hypothetical alley.
If we had infinite H&R coverage, it'd be from H&R mods. H&R mods firstly would never follow orders with that precision and secondly would ignore things on purpose just to fuck with your plans.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
Read this with a grain of salt, but I think this is the stupidest fucking idea I have ever heard. The deputy system doesn't work all that well becuase jailing is simply too blunt a tool. You either end up with people who jail way too much, or who do nothing at all. There is simply no middle ground. The last thing that this forum needs is a pile of deputies.
The reason that stuff stays under the mod radar in H&R is that short of the likes of goatse, most of the populus isn't realy all that annoyed by it, consequently it doesn't get reported.
Absolutely, people have to step up and PM mods and this doesn't happen enough.
First of all, when a mod is not even online, though, how does this help? I'm talking about instances where there are no H&R mods online, particularly late at night to solve problems even if people did PM them. This has always been an issue in HR/SE.
But that's life. A mod can't be on all the time. There will be gaps in coverage (even if there are a ridiculous number of mods, most of them mods that do very little, such as in H&R). So why not make use of your resources and keep forum-wide jailing, so you have people to step in and make a quick fix if there is nobody online to notify. We've always done things this way, until for some mysterious and utterly senseless reason that stopped with this forum split. For example, as an SE mod who was on late at night often, I used to go over and help out the G&T folks by cleaning stuff up/jailing, et cetera, when there was no G&T mod online to cover things.
Make use of your resources. That's what I'm saying.
Your logic never ceases to astound me, kiwi.
So the system is broken because people use it poorly? So because the jailers/deputies we have now are crap*, we can't bring on more to try to cover the burden?
Stuff that gets by in HR is stuff that ought to get by anyway just because nobody cares?
Where do you get this stuff?
For the record, I hate the jail system, I think it's bollocks, and it has only one valid use: stopping people who goatse spam/image spam by breaking their bbcode quickly. Otherwise I much prefer the ol' banstick as a much more effective way of getting people to cut the crap and stop being tards.
*Footnote: make sure to include yourself in the list of deputies who abused their power and jailed way too fucking much. I can recall you jailing for such trivialities as "having a quote tree that was too big." Pot and kettle.
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, you used to bitch all the time that the other SE mods did too much, and now you say we do too little?
Seriously, what can I do to please you? Because apparently everyone else is dead wrong.
Read what I wrote. Stuff gets by in HR because no-one cares. That doesn't mean it should get by, I'm mearly pointing out why most of the time people don't PM a mod except in the case of goatse
There was a reason I said my post should be taken with a grain of salt. Nowhere did I say I was any better or worse than any of the deputies before or since, I simply stated that the deputy system leads to one of those behaviours.