Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2008
I almost beat the first tombs boss on my pally, but he really blindsides you with a billion damage from his damn shadowbolts.
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This is true. Things typically die too fast for the mana back from wisdom to make a difference and my mana bar fills up with JoTW proccing. On bosses, sure, maybe I'll judge wisdom.
Definitely making my pally my main. This is so fucking fun.
Dude, where were you when I was talking about clearing Ramparts and Blood Furnace in like 45 minutes. Psssh!
Apparently I skipped a screen shot of the 2nd kill in BF, but whatever.
Seriously, once the patch hits I'm hoping to make a ton of money by doing this regularly. Charging some lv60 like 50g or some such to run him through something fairly easy. The only problem is in Underblog the first boss hits really hard. Maybe I wasn't paying attention but he kicked my ass so I gave up.
I'm also judging light instead of wisdom because the mana back from the judgements is usually more than enough to keep me full.
This is true. Things typically die too fast for the mana back from wisdom to make a difference and my mana bar fills up with JoTW proccing. On bosses, sure, maybe I'll judge wisdom.
Fuck yes! Now I have something to do tonight. What kind of gear are you rocking, because my Pally has some super shit gear (The PvP gear from vendorslol and an S2 greatsword).
Definitely making my pally my main. This is so fucking fun.
Dude, where were you when I was talking about clearing Ramparts and Blood Furnace in like 45 minutes. Psssh!
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Seriously, once the patch hits I'm hoping to make a ton of money by doing this regularly. Charging some lv60 like 50g or some such to run him through something fairly easy. The only problem is in Underblog the first boss hits really hard. Maybe I wasn't paying attention but he kicked my ass so I gave up.
I'm also judging light instead of wisdom because the mana back from the judgements is usually more than enough to keep me full.
This is true. Things typically die too fast for the mana back from wisdom to make a difference and my mana bar fills up with JoTW proccing. On bosses, sure, maybe I'll judge wisdom.
Fuck yes! Now I have something to do tonight. What kind of gear are you rocking, because my Pally has some super shit gear (The PvP gear from vendorslol and an S2 greatsword).
My sub 9k hp paladin with ~1750 unbuffed ap and 26 crit (I'd link Halvard from Earthen Ring on the armory but it appears to be down) was able to kill the first boss in underbog, if that means anything. He had a 1% wipe on the second boss though :x
Yeah I looked last night, and figured it out rather quickly. One thing I noticed is that you have some tanking pieces, like the necklace. Which you could pretty easily replace with SSO might pendant, or if you don't have the rep, the BoE neck with two gem slots off the AH. Is that a jewelcrafting one? I don't remember.
Yeah I looked last night, and figured it out rather quickly. One thing I noticed is that you have some tanking pieces, like the necklace. Which you could pretty easily replace with SSO might pendant, or if you don't have the rep, the BoE neck with two gem slots off the AH. Is that a jewelcrafting one? I don't remember.
Yeah, basically have zero SSO rep, although my Rogue has a ton of JC recipes so I should be able to make him a necklace easily.
As for the tanking pieces, yeah I know, but considering I never really played my Pally as ret before I had zero DPS plate banked. My boots are atrocious, but whatever, that shit is going to get replaced super fast in wotlk anyways.
Blessing of Sanctuary is pretty nice with aoe grinding in the beta, the "kill x mobs" quests become just silly with the ton of mana I get back from doing a good chunk of them at once. I honestly don't see myself using kings.
Also, move the 5 pts from deflection to seals of the pure, the extra damage will help out in killing things faster.
This has been my idea for a 70 build. After long negotiation with others I feel its the strongest. Then as I level I fill in Judgment of Just, then Imp Judgments, then Ardent defender last.
As far as I've been told so far, Protadins want spell damage, not strength. I'd rather have 10% more of every stat than 15% of just strength.
Thats pre 3.0. Its changing dramatically then. You won't have any gear with spell thanks to that conversion talent at the bottom. Its all about str now.
As far as I've been told so far, Protadins want spell damage, not strength. I'd rather have 10% more of every stat than 15% of just strength.
Thats pre 3.0. Its changing dramatically then. You won't have any gear with spell thanks to that conversion talent at the bottom. Its all about str now.
Hmm..regardless, I'd rather have 10% more stamina and intellect than 15% strength.
As far as I've been told so far, Protadins want spell damage, not strength. I'd rather have 10% more of every stat than 15% of just strength.
Thats pre 3.0. Its changing dramatically then. You won't have any gear with spell thanks to that conversion talent at the bottom. Its all about str now.
Hmm..regardless, I'd rather have 10% more stamina and intellect than 15% strength.
Maybe thats just me.
Well its not bad to try everything out. I know I'm gunna. But from what it seems like, blessing of Sanct will be pretty much the only blessing you use. 3% damage reduction and 2% mana regain is gunna be alot more useful then 150 hp.
As far as I've been told so far, Protadins want spell damage, not strength. I'd rather have 10% more of every stat than 15% of just strength.
Thats pre 3.0. Its changing dramatically then. You won't have any gear with spell thanks to that conversion talent at the bottom. Its all about str now.
Hmm..regardless, I'd rather have 10% more stamina and intellect than 15% strength.
Maybe thats just me.
Well its not bad to try everything out. I know I'm gunna. But from what it seems like, blessing of Sanct will be pretty much the only blessing you use. 3% damage reduction and 2% mana regain is gunna be alot more useful then 150 hp.
As far as I've been told so far, Protadins want spell damage, not strength. I'd rather have 10% more of every stat than 15% of just strength.
Thats pre 3.0. Its changing dramatically then. You won't have any gear with spell thanks to that conversion talent at the bottom. Its all about str now.
Hmm..regardless, I'd rather have 10% more stamina and intellect than 15% strength.
Maybe thats just me.
Well its not bad to try everything out. I know I'm gunna. But from what it seems like, blessing of Sanct will be pretty much the only blessing you use. 3% damage reduction and 2% mana regain is gunna be alot more useful then 150 hp.
It'll mostly be useful in instances and groups.
Well, I can't say your right there. Because its when you're soloing is when your really mana starved. The new Sanct is like a combo of Kings and Wisdom.
As far as I've been told so far, Protadins want spell damage, not strength. I'd rather have 10% more of every stat than 15% of just strength.
Thats pre 3.0. Its changing dramatically then. You won't have any gear with spell thanks to that conversion talent at the bottom. Its all about str now.
Hmm..regardless, I'd rather have 10% more stamina and intellect than 15% strength.
Maybe thats just me.
Well its not bad to try everything out. I know I'm gunna. But from what it seems like, blessing of Sanct will be pretty much the only blessing you use. 3% damage reduction and 2% mana regain is gunna be alot more useful then 150 hp.
It'll mostly be useful in instances and groups.
Well, I can't say your right there. Because its when you're soloing is when your really mana starved. The new Sanct is like a combo of Kings and Wisdom.
Well, your mother.
If Trinity Bars was working on the PTR I would try it out.
If Trinity Bars was working on the PTR I would try it out.
I'm just trying to give you the same information I have. But like I said before, I'm a fan of trying everything at least once. So do every spec you can think of.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2008
Personally I probably won't have Kings in my 70, or 80 build.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2008
They need to just axe kings. Paladins shouldn't be the only one with a 10% stat buff, according to the current philosophy. And the current state of min-maxing means that every bleeding edge guild is going to want at least one pally with 5/5 kings.
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Yeah I just cleared the fuck out of Ramparts. Hilarious.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited September 2008
Not surprising. You should be able to clear mana tombs if you are careful, lucky, and good with your CDs.
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edited September 2008
is there any sort of option to enable a headsup display in your scrollin combat text when Art of War procs and gives you an instant Flash of Light? I have a lot of trouble noticing, and although it happens everytime you crit, sometimes i don't regiser that i've crit, and then I'll crit again, and only get one FoL where I could hae had two.
is there any sort of option to enable a headsup display in your scrollin combat text when Art of War procs and gives you an instant Flash of Light? I have a lot of trouble noticing, and although it happens everytime you crit, sometimes i don't regiser that i've crit, and then I'll crit again, and only get one FoL where I could hae had two.
The default scrolling combat text will say, in fairly big green letters, <Art of War>. Or you can just hit your FoL whenever you crit wiht CS or DS.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
is there any sort of option to enable a headsup display in your scrollin combat text when Art of War procs and gives you an instant Flash of Light? I have a lot of trouble noticing, and although it happens everytime you crit, sometimes i don't regiser that i've crit, and then I'll crit again, and only get one FoL where I could hae had two.
Uh, GCD will usually be there to rear its ugly head to keep you from casting your instants.
And the basic scrolling combat text will inform you if you turn it on.
<ART OF WAR!>
Does the same thing the moment they get into Hammar! range on their health.
I can't be bothered to look up at the bar and see that HAMMAR!
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited September 2008
To Laurlana or any other holy paladin thinking of going holy/ret for judgements of the wise..
wonder if art of war's instant fol will still reset your swing timer at release
Does Corruption reset swing timer if talented to instant? That's a different class that doesn't melee much if at all, but that's the only other talents-can-make-it-instant-cast that's coming to mind. That and the instant shadowbolt thing they have.
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well yeah, theres precedent for it to maybe interrupt swing timer, but it somewhat defeats the purpose of Art of War (ret paladins healing themselves to spare healer mana without interrupting DPS) if it does reset it.
also, if I didn't love tanking so much (not necessarily as a paladin, tanking in general) I'd definitely be Holy in WotLK, its bucketloads of fun.
Man it's physically painful going from my PTR Pally to my Live Pally...
/sigh
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I still don't like that paladins are unique among the classes in that if they are not specced, they cannot do their job.
A Warrior at 0/0/0 can still deal damage with most of his skill intact (heroic strike, whirlwind)
Or can tank, with Sunder and Shield Block
A Druid can heal, he has all of his healing spells, Lifebloom, Rejuv, etc. Can tank. All with 0/0/0.
A paladin with 0/0/0 lacks the defining abilities of Ret, Crusader Strike, which basically limits him to autoattack + judge. If he's an Alliance paladin, he can't even use a damage seal, has to use Seal of Righteousness or something.
He lacks the defining abilities of Prot, Holy Shield and Avenger's Shield. He can basically Righteous Fury and Consecrate.
While he has the two base healin spells of holy, he lacks Holy Shock or Illumination, which one could argue are class defining abilities.
The general philosophy for all other classes seems to be, with a 0/0/0 spec, they can still do the job of any spec, using a recognizable rotation, but nowhere near well enough to be considered for a raid spot. A paladin with 0/0/0 might be able to do a Holy paladins job, but probably not a Prot paladin's job and certainly not a Ret paladin's job.
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Thats always been the case though.
Fuck yes! Now I have something to do tonight. What kind of gear are you rocking, because my Pally has some super shit gear (The PvP gear from vendorslol and an S2 greatsword).
edit: I'm going to take another crack at a Coilfang instance today. Maybe I can find out what I'm doing wrong.
My sub 9k hp paladin with ~1750 unbuffed ap and 26 crit (I'd link Halvard from Earthen Ring on the armory but it appears to be down) was able to kill the first boss in underbog, if that means anything. He had a 1% wipe on the second boss though :x
If the Armory is working for you, i'm Corwind on the Ravenholdt server.
Yeah, basically have zero SSO rep, although my Rogue has a ton of JC recipes so I should be able to make him a necklace easily.
As for the tanking pieces, yeah I know, but considering I never really played my Pally as ret before I had zero DPS plate banked. My boots are atrocious, but whatever, that shit is going to get replaced super fast in wotlk anyways.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZa0VAczgteIRhox ?
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Blessing of Sanctuary is pretty nice with aoe grinding in the beta, the "kill x mobs" quests become just silly with the ton of mana I get back from doing a good chunk of them at once. I honestly don't see myself using kings.
Also, move the 5 pts from deflection to seals of the pure, the extra damage will help out in killing things faster.
I would say drop ardent for seals of the pure. Especially if your talking about the grind to 80. Pumping out more dps is always good.
I'm happy with that plan so far.
Ayliana Moonwhisper Ecksus Cerazal
Thats pre 3.0. Its changing dramatically then. You won't have any gear with spell thanks to that conversion talent at the bottom. Its all about str now.
Hmm..regardless, I'd rather have 10% more stamina and intellect than 15% strength.
Maybe thats just me.
Ayliana Moonwhisper Ecksus Cerazal
Well its not bad to try everything out. I know I'm gunna. But from what it seems like, blessing of Sanct will be pretty much the only blessing you use. 3% damage reduction and 2% mana regain is gunna be alot more useful then 150 hp.
It'll mostly be useful in instances and groups.
Ayliana Moonwhisper Ecksus Cerazal
Well, I can't say your right there. Because its when you're soloing is when your really mana starved. The new Sanct is like a combo of Kings and Wisdom.
Well, your mother.
If Trinity Bars was working on the PTR I would try it out.
Ayliana Moonwhisper Ecksus Cerazal
I'm just trying to give you the same information I have. But like I said before, I'm a fan of trying everything at least once. So do every spec you can think of.
Yeah I just cleared the fuck out of Ramparts. Hilarious.
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The default scrolling combat text will say, in fairly big green letters, <Art of War>. Or you can just hit your FoL whenever you crit wiht CS or DS.
Uh, GCD will usually be there to rear its ugly head to keep you from casting your instants.
And the basic scrolling combat text will inform you if you turn it on.
<ART OF WAR!>
Does the same thing the moment they get into Hammar! range on their health.
I can't be bothered to look up at the bar and see that HAMMAR!
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/5/10043322049-gc-word-on-holy-blue-request.html
also, if I didn't love tanking so much (not necessarily as a paladin, tanking in general) I'd definitely be Holy in WotLK, its bucketloads of fun.
Why do you put Savagery on your weapons?
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Man it's physically painful going from my PTR Pally to my Live Pally...
/sigh
A Warrior at 0/0/0 can still deal damage with most of his skill intact (heroic strike, whirlwind)
Or can tank, with Sunder and Shield Block
A Druid can heal, he has all of his healing spells, Lifebloom, Rejuv, etc. Can tank. All with 0/0/0.
A paladin with 0/0/0 lacks the defining abilities of Ret, Crusader Strike, which basically limits him to autoattack + judge. If he's an Alliance paladin, he can't even use a damage seal, has to use Seal of Righteousness or something.
He lacks the defining abilities of Prot, Holy Shield and Avenger's Shield. He can basically Righteous Fury and Consecrate.
While he has the two base healin spells of holy, he lacks Holy Shock or Illumination, which one could argue are class defining abilities.
The general philosophy for all other classes seems to be, with a 0/0/0 spec, they can still do the job of any spec, using a recognizable rotation, but nowhere near well enough to be considered for a raid spot. A paladin with 0/0/0 might be able to do a Holy paladins job, but probably not a Prot paladin's job and certainly not a Ret paladin's job.