How, exactly, is my personal opinion of his personality an evidentury matter? What are you, Defender?
What rebuttal has there been of "I don't think he came across very sincere"? What has been "debunked" there? What is there to debunk?
What EVIDENCE can there possibly be that he sincerely understands and empathizes with working people as he implies? I'm not saying Joe Biden is some great hypocrite or anything, I'm just saying he's pretty far removed from the circumstances he talks about all the time and I think it's pandering of him to continuously say, "Hey I'm just like you."
I think palin is SINCERELY a dipstick, and one that reads about a quart low. I do think her selection was brilliant political theatre, as opposed to that of Biden, which was a very lackluster and typical appeasement choice.
Edit: For the record, I think Biden won the shit out of the debate, btw.
Man, your opinion on anything and everything is a matter of evidence. I'm not gonna buy that you think Batman is cool until you produce evidence of a hand injury from a karate chop gone wrong.
And I mean. His argument isn't what you describe. That's why your opinion of him seems to lack any reasonable logic. He's saying "I have been in your position I am now quite privileged and hope to help out people who aren't as lucky." Now, you may still not believe him. I may not. But you can't say it's due to his words.
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Well, I think she sincerely believes in the crap she believes in. I don't think that's a good thing, though. In her case, it's probably just a sign of effective programming.
I don't think she does.
Her body language spoke of someone concentrating their hardest on not trying to give away the typical body language signs... her direct stare to the camera and the gaze that never deviated, the winks, the grins.
Negative. It takes a great actor to fake subconcious body movement, and if she was being truthful she wouldn't look like she had McCain's hand jammed up her ass, using her like a puppet. She had a blank, 1000 yard stare.
Nothing in her body language suggests she believed half the shit she was saying. Sometimes I'm pretty sure she didn't even understand it.
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How, exactly, is my personal opinion of his personality an evidentury matter? What are you, Defender?
What rebuttal has there been of "I don't think he came across very sincere"? What has been "debunked" there? What is there to debunk?
What EVIDENCE can there possibly be that he sincerely understands and empathizes with working people as he implies? I'm not saying Joe Biden is some great hypocrite or anything, I'm just saying he's pretty far removed from the circumstances he talks about all the time and I think it's pandering of him to continuously say, "Hey I'm just like you."
I think palin is SINCERELY a dipstick, and one that reads about a quart low. I do think her selection was brilliant political theatre, as opposed to that of Biden, which was a very lackluster and typical appeasement choice.
Edit: For the record, I think Biden won the shit out of the debate, btw.
Man, your opinion on anything and everything is a matter of evidence. I'm not gonna buy that you think Batman is cool until you produce evidence of a hand injury from a karate chop gone wrong.
And I mean. His argument isn't what you describe. That's why your opinion of him seems to lack any reasonable logic. He's saying "I have been in your position I am now quite privileged and hope to help out people who aren't as lucky." Now, you may still not believe him. I may not. But you can't say it's due to his words.
No, I can't say it's due to his words, I can only say it's due to his tone as he speaks. I just don't buy the guy 100%. I don't buy Obama 100% either. I actually do think that whatever altruism they do have is probably tempered by at least a teeny, tiny dose of ego and perhaps a tiny soupcon of ambition. It doesn't really matter, you have to say some shit to get elected sometimes.
Well, I think she sincerely believes in the crap she believes in. I don't think that's a good thing, though. In her case, it's probably just a sign of effective programming.
I don't think she does.
Her body language spoke of someone concentrating their hardest on not trying to give away the typical body language signs... her direct stare to the camera and the gaze that never deviated, the winks, the grins.
Negative. It takes a great actor to fake subconcious body movement, and if she was being truthful she wouldn't look like she had McCain's hand jammed up her ass, using her like a puppet. She had a blank, 1000 yard stare.
Nothing in her body language suggests she believed half the shit she was saying. Sometimes I'm pretty sure she didn't even understand it.
Well, given his historical fidelity, I couldn't say it hasn't at some point.
Palin, I think is basically sincere. I think she does believe what she says. Sadly, she's against almost everything I'm for, so her sincerity is wasted on me.
So you're basically insane, then? I don't think I've heard Palin say a single thing that wasn't later proven to be a lie at worst, or at best, a gross misrepresentation.
You think she sounded sincere? I think she sounded like a junior in high school reciting a book report.
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Well, I think she sincerely believes in the crap she believes in. I don't think that's a good thing, though. In her case, it's probably just a sign of effective programming.
I don't think she does.
Her body language spoke of someone concentrating their hardest on not trying to give away the typical body language signs... her direct stare to the camera and the gaze that never deviated, the winks, the grins.
Negative. It takes a great actor to fake subconcious body movement, and if she was being truthful she wouldn't look like she had McCain's hand jammed up her ass, using her like a puppet. She had a blank, 1000 yard stare.
Nothing in her body language suggests she believed half the shit she was saying. Sometimes I'm pretty sure she didn't even understand it.
Oh, I think there's been, what you might call, "some prep"
Fo sho
. Most of the policy specifics she was spouting were memorized, and she was definitely coached. I do think she's a real bible-swinging conservative. She won't get the fear of god driven out of her until she wins office and they drive out the holy spirit when they make her swear to the Goat God of the Skull and Bones and kiss the skull of Poncho Villa.
Palin, I think is basically sincere. I think she does believe what she says. Sadly, she's against almost everything I'm for, so her sincerity is wasted on me.
So you're basically insane, then? I don't think I've heard Palin say a single thing that wasn't later proven to be a lie at worst, or at best, a gross misrepresentation.
You think she sounded sincere? I think she sounded like a junior in high school reciting a book report.
No, I don't think she sounded sincere. I think she is a sincere conservative. I think she sounds like a shrill, annoying, PTA know-it-all when she talks. I think she does believe in Jesus and I think she believes in America, Freedom, and Stuff. I also think she's as relatively dumb as you can get away with being in politics.
No, I can't say it's due to his words, I can only say it's due to his tone as he speaks. I just don't buy the guy 100%. I don't buy Obama 100% either. I actually do think that whatever altruism they do have is probably tempered by at least a teeny, tiny dose of ego and perhaps a tiny soupcon of ambition. It doesn't really matter, you have to say some shit to get elected sometimes.
... Well, duh. They're ignorant, petty, greedy, irrational, and lazy. Just like every other person on the planet.
I just think you're taking a negative reaction to voice way too far.
No, I can't say it's due to his words, I can only say it's due to his tone as he speaks. I just don't buy the guy 100%. I don't buy Obama 100% either. I actually do think that whatever altruism they do have is probably tempered by at least a teeny, tiny dose of ego and perhaps a tiny soupcon of ambition. It doesn't really matter, you have to say some shit to get elected sometimes.
... Well, duh. They're ignorant, petty, greedy, irrational, and lazy. Just like every other person on the planet.
I just think you're taking a negative reaction to voice way too far.
I was actually prepared to riff on it once and move on but some people had to explain to me that he was, for a fact, sincere, because of things he said in a speech and also because his wife died so I should just take the fucking taxi to wrongtown and be sure to tip.
Palin, I think is basically sincere. I think she does believe what she says. Sadly, she's against almost everything I'm for, so her sincerity is wasted on me.
Where is the evidence that she actually believes the shit she says? Her record as mayor and governor suggests she doesn't give much of a shit.
With Biden, I can at least point to some of the stuff he did.
So she's been out making pro-choice, anti-big business, anti-church, pro-gay decisions? Maybe I can vote for her.
Your gut tells you Palin is sincere.
Your gut tells you Biden is not.
Thus far this is the only argument you've provided. All of your other evidence has been debunked or questioned with serious merit.
You can believe what you want to believe, but if you fail to acknowledge that you might be wrong once you look up some actual evidence, then you deserve to be jumped on.
How, exactly, is my personal opinion of his personality an evidentury matter? What are you, Defender?
What rebuttal has there been of "I don't think he came across very sincere"? What has been "debunked" there? What is there to debunk?
What EVIDENCE can there possibly be that he sincerely understands and empathizes with working people as he implies? I'm not saying Joe Biden is some great hypocrite or anything, I'm just saying he's pretty far removed from the circumstances he talks about all the time and I think it's pandering of him to continuously say, "Hey I'm just like you."
I think palin is SINCERELY a dipstick, and one that reads about a quart low. I do think her selection was brilliant political theatre, as opposed to that of Biden, which was a very lackluster and typical appeasement choice.
Edit: For the record, I think Biden won the shit out of the debate, btw.
I should say I was confused by your use of the word "sincere".
Evidence of sincerity can be found in many places, such as transparency. Biden has made all his tax info public, Palin has not. This makes me feel that Biden is more sincere. That is a statement of my opinion, backed up by factual evidence.
All I'm saying is that your opinions are coming off as kneejerk and unfounded, which makes them hard to buy.
EDIT: Also, I'm arguing with you because disagree with your claim that Palin is sincere and Biden is not. I think Biden gives a damn about what he talks about a lot of the time.
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My opinion IS knee-jerk. It's just a fact: I don't like the cut of the guy's jib. His politics? pretty OK. His record? Fine. We ostensibly agree on many things. I just think he's got a little attitude. I didn't say I was gonna kick him in the balls, I just had something negative to say about how he came across to me in the debate.
9:01 PM Ross Wolinsky -Did Biden just say Dick Lugar? That is the baddest assest name ever.
9:01 PM Michael Swaim - It’s also a pretty decent birth control device.
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - There’s a guy named Dick Lugar?
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - I want to vote for that guy
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Cock Tommy Gun?
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Penis Kalazhnikov?
My opinion IS knee-jerk. It's just a fact: I don't like the cut of the guy's jib. His politics? pretty OK. His record? Fine. We ostensibly agree on many things. I just think he's got a little attitude. I didn't say I was gonna kick him in the balls, I just had something negative to say about how he came across to me in the debate.
Fair enough man. It's when you start talking about how he's pure evil and not actually human that you're raising people's hackles.
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My opinion IS knee-jerk. It's just a fact: I don't like the cut of the guy's jib. His politics? pretty OK. His record? Fine. We ostensibly agree on many things. I just think he's got a little attitude. I didn't say I was gonna kick him in the balls, I just had something negative to say about how he came across to me in the debate.
Fair enough man. It's when you start talking about how he's pure evil and not actually human that you're raising people's hackles.
HAhAHA dude
you keep underestimating how cynical journalism left me
The day I say being pure evil makes you not human, I'll be inching toward daylight.
So what do you have against most / all Congressmen / Judges / etc? I know I feel like they don't get all the things I want done, but I realize that they represent many more people than myself.
You seem to have an irrational disliking towards these people in government. Especially the ones that keep getting re-elected by their happy electorate.
Well, I think she sincerely believes in the crap she believes in. I don't think that's a good thing, though. In her case, it's probably just a sign of effective programming.
I don't think she does.
Her body language spoke of someone concentrating their hardest on not trying to give away the typical body language signs... her direct stare to the camera and the gaze that never deviated, the winks, the grins.
Negative. It takes a great actor to fake subconcious body movement, and if she was being truthful she wouldn't look like she had McCain's hand jammed up her ass, using her like a puppet. She had a blank, 1000 yard stare.
Nothing in her body language suggests she believed half the shit she was saying. Sometimes I'm pretty sure she didn't even understand it.
Oh, I think there's been, what you might call, "some prep"
Fo sho
. Most of the policy specifics she was spouting were memorized, and she was definitely coached. I do think she's a real bible-swinging conservative. She won't get the fear of god driven out of her until she wins office and they drive out the holy spirit when they make her swear to the Goat God of the Skull and Bones and kiss the skull of Poncho Villa.
(that's a joke, Medo)
Oh fuck off
I don't usually make a habit of responding to people that backpedal their original posts by saying they were obviously joking
Well, I think she sincerely believes in the crap she believes in. I don't think that's a good thing, though. In her case, it's probably just a sign of effective programming.
I don't think she does.
Her body language spoke of someone concentrating their hardest on not trying to give away the typical body language signs... her direct stare to the camera and the gaze that never deviated, the winks, the grins.
Negative. It takes a great actor to fake subconcious body movement, and if she was being truthful she wouldn't look like she had McCain's hand jammed up her ass, using her like a puppet. She had a blank, 1000 yard stare.
Nothing in her body language suggests she believed half the shit she was saying. Sometimes I'm pretty sure she didn't even understand it.
Oh, I think there's been, what you might call, "some prep"
Fo sho
. Most of the policy specifics she was spouting were memorized, and she was definitely coached. I do think she's a real bible-swinging conservative. She won't get the fear of god driven out of her until she wins office and they drive out the holy spirit when they make her swear to the Goat God of the Skull and Bones and kiss the skull of Poncho Villa.
(that's a joke, Medo)
Oh fuck off
I don't usually make a habit of responding to people that backpedal their original posts by saying they were obviously joking
Oh it wasn't a "joke" per se - but I hope it's clear that I know where Scranton is and, for the record, I believe Joe Biden does as well, and that even though it had quotes around it, it was my hope that people would understand I was not saying Joe Biden really attributed to himself, age 10, the archaic vocation of steel driver.
9:01 PM Ross Wolinsky -Did Biden just say Dick Lugar? That is the baddest assest name ever.
9:01 PM Michael Swaim - It’s also a pretty decent birth control device.
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - There’s a guy named Dick Lugar?
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - I want to vote for that guy
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Cock Tommy Gun?
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Penis Kalazhnikov?
Haha, that article is gold.
# 9:23 PM Ross Wolinsky - Who’s Moose? Is that one of her kids?
# 9:23 PM Dan O’Brien - No, her kids are Bagel, Trat and Sauron.
# 9:23 PM Michael Swaim - I thought it was Odin, Brussels and Camembert.
# 9:24 PM Dan O’Brien - Pooter, Stank and Obermeyer.
# 9:24 PM Michael Swaim - Conklin, Calculon, and Wankle
# 9:25 PM Ross Wolinsky - Is it too late for me to say Bunting, Cattleprod and Slaw?
# 9:25 PM Michael Swaim - Only if I can mention Whipple, Shank, and Samsung.
# 9:26 PM Michael Swaim - Crankshaft, Spaulding and Gex.
# 9:27 PM Dan O’Brien - Dripspat, Dooper and Strunt.
# 9:27 PM Ross Wolinsky - Bunker, Tallywacker and Tubes.
9:01 PM Ross Wolinsky -Did Biden just say Dick Lugar? That is the baddest assest name ever.
9:01 PM Michael Swaim - It’s also a pretty decent birth control device.
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - There’s a guy named Dick Lugar?
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - I want to vote for that guy
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Cock Tommy Gun?
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Penis Kalazhnikov?
Best exchange:
8:07 PM Ross Wolinsky - What’s wrong with his eyes? They look like coin slots.
8:11 PM Dan O’Brien - I agree with Ross, I want to store my coins in Joe Biden’s eyes. 8:11 PM Ross Wolinsky - In these days of economic crisis, please, America: STORE YOUR MONEY IN JOE BIDEN’S TINY COIN SLOT EYES.
8:12 PM Michael Swaim - I think you’re underestimating how unsavory the retrieval process would be.
8:16 PM Dan O’Brien - You know, this whole election has been about Barack, McCain, and Sarah. I don’t think anyone realizes that Biden has been sneaking around. Do you guys know anything about Biden? He is FUCKING INSANE.
8:17 PM Dan O’Brien - If he proposed some kind of weather-controlling device tonight, I don’t think I’d be surprised.
Palin has so far replied to beng asked to respond to Joe Biden by saying "I'm not gonna talk about that, I'm gonna talk about ENERGY!" 3 times in a row. Can I become VP so I could climb down her throat about not answering the question or the points raised?
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And I mean. His argument isn't what you describe. That's why your opinion of him seems to lack any reasonable logic. He's saying "I have been in your position I am now quite privileged and hope to help out people who aren't as lucky." Now, you may still not believe him. I may not. But you can't say it's due to his words.
Shouldn't it be that your get tells you if you eat puppies?
My gut tells me I need to poop.
I don't think she does.
Her body language spoke of someone concentrating their hardest on not trying to give away the typical body language signs... her direct stare to the camera and the gaze that never deviated, the winks, the grins.
Negative. It takes a great actor to fake subconcious body movement, and if she was being truthful she wouldn't look like she had McCain's hand jammed up her ass, using her like a puppet. She had a blank, 1000 yard stare.
Nothing in her body language suggests she believed half the shit she was saying. Sometimes I'm pretty sure she didn't even understand it.
No, I can't say it's due to his words, I can only say it's due to his tone as he speaks. I just don't buy the guy 100%. I don't buy Obama 100% either. I actually do think that whatever altruism they do have is probably tempered by at least a teeny, tiny dose of ego and perhaps a tiny soupcon of ambition. It doesn't really matter, you have to say some shit to get elected sometimes.
I host a podcast about movies.
Well, given his historical fidelity, I couldn't say it hasn't at some point.
So you're basically insane, then? I don't think I've heard Palin say a single thing that wasn't later proven to be a lie at worst, or at best, a gross misrepresentation.
You think she sounded sincere? I think she sounded like a junior in high school reciting a book report.
Oh, I think there's been, what you might call, "some prep"
Fo sho
. Most of the policy specifics she was spouting were memorized, and she was definitely coached. I do think she's a real bible-swinging conservative. She won't get the fear of god driven out of her until she wins office and they drive out the holy spirit when they make her swear to the Goat God of the Skull and Bones and kiss the skull of Poncho Villa.
(that's a joke, Medo)
I host a podcast about movies.
No, I don't think she sounded sincere. I think she is a sincere conservative. I think she sounds like a shrill, annoying, PTA know-it-all when she talks. I think she does believe in Jesus and I think she believes in America, Freedom, and Stuff. I also think she's as relatively dumb as you can get away with being in politics.
I host a podcast about movies.
I just think you're taking a negative reaction to voice way too far.
I was actually prepared to riff on it once and move on but some people had to explain to me that he was, for a fact, sincere, because of things he said in a speech and also because his wife died so I should just take the fucking taxi to wrongtown and be sure to tip.
I host a podcast about movies.
Oof...poor MSNBC.
I should say I was confused by your use of the word "sincere".
Evidence of sincerity can be found in many places, such as transparency. Biden has made all his tax info public, Palin has not. This makes me feel that Biden is more sincere. That is a statement of my opinion, backed up by factual evidence.
All I'm saying is that your opinions are coming off as kneejerk and unfounded, which makes them hard to buy.
EDIT: Also, I'm arguing with you because disagree with your claim that Palin is sincere and Biden is not. I think Biden gives a damn about what he talks about a lot of the time.
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I host a podcast about movies.
Well, a lot of markets have moved it to expanded basic cable, so I'm not terribly suprised.
A little disappointed at ABC's ratings though. Fuck ABC.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-19-most-ridiculous-moments-from-vp-debate/
9:01 PM Ross Wolinsky -Did Biden just say Dick Lugar? That is the baddest assest name ever.
9:01 PM Michael Swaim - It’s also a pretty decent birth control device.
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - There’s a guy named Dick Lugar?
9:02 PM Dan O’Brien - I want to vote for that guy
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Cock Tommy Gun?
9:03 PM Michael Swaim - Penis Kalazhnikov?
Yeah, I don't think MSNBC is going to make it to the next election cycle.
Fair enough man. It's when you start talking about how he's pure evil and not actually human that you're raising people's hackles.
HAhAHA dude
you keep underestimating how cynical journalism left me
The day I say being pure evil makes you not human, I'll be inching toward daylight.
I host a podcast about movies.
You seem to have an irrational disliking towards these people in government. Especially the ones that keep getting re-elected by their happy electorate.
I'm a bit disappointed that Fox got higher ratings than CNN... but I suppose at least the "big 3" all beat them.
Oh fuck off
I don't usually make a habit of responding to people that backpedal their original posts by saying they were obviously joking
Oh it wasn't a "joke" per se - but I hope it's clear that I know where Scranton is and, for the record, I believe Joe Biden does as well, and that even though it had quotes around it, it was my hope that people would understand I was not saying Joe Biden really attributed to himself, age 10, the archaic vocation of steel driver.
I host a podcast about movies.
Oh man, oh man...
Haha, that article is gold.
# 9:23 PM Ross Wolinsky - Who’s Moose? Is that one of her kids?
# 9:23 PM Dan O’Brien - No, her kids are Bagel, Trat and Sauron.
# 9:23 PM Michael Swaim - I thought it was Odin, Brussels and Camembert.
# 9:24 PM Dan O’Brien - Pooter, Stank and Obermeyer.
# 9:24 PM Michael Swaim - Conklin, Calculon, and Wankle
# 9:25 PM Ross Wolinsky - Is it too late for me to say Bunting, Cattleprod and Slaw?
# 9:25 PM Michael Swaim - Only if I can mention Whipple, Shank, and Samsung.
# 9:26 PM Michael Swaim - Crankshaft, Spaulding and Gex.
# 9:27 PM Dan O’Brien - Dripspat, Dooper and Strunt.
# 9:27 PM Ross Wolinsky - Bunker, Tallywacker and Tubes.
Needs moar Obama holding a sword up to a T-Rex.
And McCain blowing up New York.
Best exchange:
8:07 PM Ross Wolinsky - What’s wrong with his eyes? They look like coin slots.
8:11 PM Dan O’Brien - I agree with Ross, I want to store my coins in Joe Biden’s eyes.
8:11 PM Ross Wolinsky - In these days of economic crisis, please, America: STORE YOUR MONEY IN JOE BIDEN’S TINY COIN SLOT EYES.
8:12 PM Michael Swaim - I think you’re underestimating how unsavory the retrieval process would be.
8:16 PM Dan O’Brien - You know, this whole election has been about Barack, McCain, and Sarah. I don’t think anyone realizes that Biden has been sneaking around. Do you guys know anything about Biden? He is FUCKING INSANE.
8:17 PM Dan O’Brien - If he proposed some kind of weather-controlling device tonight, I don’t think I’d be surprised.
Fucking comedy gold. Whoopi!
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Palin has so far replied to beng asked to respond to Joe Biden by saying "I'm not gonna talk about that, I'm gonna talk about ENERGY!" 3 times in a row. Can I become VP so I could climb down her throat about not answering the question or the points raised?
I'm trying to place the faces... are those the hosts of The View?
Yep, see they cast him out for being like frakenstiens monster. Dull and full of attacks on his opponent.
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