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The American Presidency: Obama does not believe in prevent defense

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Oh.
    God.
    VP candidate Palin introduces 'Ed the Dairyman,' promises lower taxes

    By TIM KORTE , Associated Press

    Last update: October 19, 2008 - 8:38 PM

    ROSWELL, N.M. - Joe the Plumber, meet Ed the Dairyman.

    Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin spoke to a crowd of about 10,000 supporters Sunday in a Roswell airplane hangar, not only making a reference to Joe the Plumber, but alluding several times to "Ed the Dairyman" after seeing someone in the crowd holding a sign identifying himself that way.

    She warned voters about Democratic plans to raise taxes "on America's hard-working families and our small businesses and a lot of folks just like Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman out there."...

    The McCain-Palin camp has heard of vetting right? I mean the guy is probably an illegal immigrant child rapist that had helped Cindy McCain smuggle drugs at this point right? And do we really want more "X the Y" "real Americans"?

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  • seasleepyseasleepy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I think this may get some play. Not from the campaign directly, obviously, but this is something people will be emailing around most likely.
    Also from the article:
    In March 2007, as Mr. McCain was making his second bid for the Republican nomination, The Times began asking his campaign for permission to speak with the senator and his doctors, citing the history of such interviews.

    On May 6, 2008, Jill Hazelbaker, a McCain spokeswoman, denied the requests, writing in an e-mail message that The Times was “not at the top of the list” and including a link to a Times editorial that had criticized Mr. McCain for not disclosing health information and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York for not disclosing financial records.
    Yeah, take that, media. How dare you criticize us for not releasing McCain's medical records and then ask us for them again later. The McCain campaign's dickery towards the press is really paying off.

    Also, I don't think this got linked from yesterday. It's fantastic.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Reminds me of the "Salute to real American heroes" commercials. Budweiser, wasn't it?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Obama/Biden/whoever needs to say, "I am not just fighting for Ed the Dairyman and other specific people that are supposed to represent a huge group of Americans; I am fighting for everybody."

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Sam wrote: »
    It actually stuns me to not see Obama take him to task on it. If it's easy enough for me to figure out by just doing a little digging, why can't Obama just point it out? I did drink during all the debates but I recall feeling frustrated that Obama wasn't refuting along those lines whenever Mccain started chewing the cud.

    It takes more than 30 seconds to explain and make a point. He may have wrapped it into his stump speech with the broader discussion of tax cuts and the economy and abloo, but nobody cares about stump speeches.

    "Senator MCcain claims that my plan raises taxes on small business owners. This is patently false- he refers to those that file their small business income as personal income for taxation reasons. These hard working individuals are entirely capable of and will have every incentive to declare their own actual salary from their profits as personal income, which gets them a tax cut, and file the income their businesses bring in under the appropriate scheduling where no small or medium business will see any kind of increase. My opponent, in his desperation to undermine a policy that would be beneficial to the vast majority of talented, hard working individuals who pay taxes is relying on people not looking into his claims, looking into their own options for taxation scheduling. But John you have to realize, this won't work, not here, not today. Because our people, after having been lied to for 8 years are going to demand and pursue the truth they deserve."

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    [cynicism]163 words is about 140 too many.[/cynicism]

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    How many "Joe the (insert skilled labor job here)" things are they planning on doing, anyway? With Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman, it sounds like the McCain rallies are more like a really, really nasty bizarro version of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    [cynicism]163 words is about 140 too many.[/cynicism]

    Unless the small businessmen are retarded, they won't see a tax increase.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    PantsB wrote: »
    Oh.
    God.
    VP candidate Palin introduces 'Ed the Dairyman,' promises lower taxes

    By TIM KORTE , Associated Press

    Last update: October 19, 2008 - 8:38 PM

    ROSWELL, N.M. - Joe the Plumber, meet Ed the Dairyman.

    Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin spoke to a crowd of about 10,000 supporters Sunday in a Roswell airplane hangar, not only making a reference to Joe the Plumber, but alluding several times to "Ed the Dairyman" after seeing someone in the crowd holding a sign identifying himself that way.

    She warned voters about Democratic plans to raise taxes "on America's hard-working families and our small businesses and a lot of folks just like Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman out there."...

    The McCain-Palin camp has heard of vetting right? I mean the guy is probably an illegal immigrant child rapist that had helped Cindy McCain smuggle drugs at this point right? And do we really want more "X the Y" "real Americans"?

    Obama needs to get endorsed by Mike Rowe to shut all this up, doesn't he?

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duffel wrote: »
    How many "Joe the (insert skilled labor job here)" things are they planning on doing, anyway? With Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman, it sounds like the McCain rallies are more like a really, really nasty bizarro version of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.

    I think they need four more guys for a full group

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duffel wrote: »
    How many "Joe the (insert skilled labor job here)" things are they planning on doing, anyway? With Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman, it sounds like the McCain rallies are more like a really, really nasty bizarro version of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.

    Today on Mr. McCain's Neighborhood, we have learned about talking with people you don't like. Remember, you don't talk with people you dislike because that shows weakness.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Obama/Biden/whoever needs to say, "I am not just fighting for Ed the Dairyman and other specific people that are supposed to represent a huge group of Americans; I am fighting for everybody."

    "I'm not campaigning for the plumber America, or the Dairy America. I'm campaigning for the United States of America!"

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.


    It's all going alone with my plan, wherein Nebraska becomes the deciding state since it splits it's electoral votes.
    electoralmap.png

    *evil scientist laugh*

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.


    It's all going alone with my plan, wherein Nebraska becomes the deciding state since it splits it's electoral votes.
    electoralmap.png

    *evil scientist laugh*

    Sorry dude, Iowa isn't going to vote for anti-ethanol John McCain. You'll have to find 7 other electoral votes for the old man.

    Edit: You can give him Connecticut and all its Joementum.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    so.. this is only slightly related to the Presidents race, but it's a question that's been bugging me lately.

    I work at WalMart. And I think I saw that there were others working there too.

    Have any of the others that are working at Walmart, or similar stores, been encouraged to vote Republican due to the Union issue?

    I keep hearing rumors of stores putting, not exactly pressure, but something close to it.

    Also... what's the Pie story?

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.


    It's all going alone with my plan, wherein Nebraska becomes the deciding state since it splits it's electoral votes.
    electoralmap.png

    *evil scientist laugh*

    Sorry dude, Iowa isn't going to vote for anti-ethanol John McCain. You'll have to find 7 other electoral votes for the old man.

    Edit: You can give him Connecticut and all its Joementum.

    Except Bush won Iowa last time.

    2004countymap-final.gif

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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    so.. this is only slightly related to the Presidents race, but it's a question that's been bugging me lately.

    I work at WalMart. And I think I saw that there were others working there too.

    Have any of the others that are working at Walmart, or similar stores, been encouraged to vote Republican due to the Union issue?

    I keep hearing rumors of stores putting, not exactly pressure, but something close to it.

    Also... what's the Pie story?

    I work at Wal-Mart, and yeah, they took supervisors to meetings and basically told them "Unions are evil" and the "the Democrats are pro-Union", therefore....

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Except Bush won Iowa last time.
    McCain isn't Bush. He just shares most of his policies except for a few that include one that Iowans love.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.


    It's all going alone with my plan, wherein Nebraska becomes the deciding state since it splits it's electoral votes.
    electoralmap.png

    *evil scientist laugh*

    Sorry dude, Iowa isn't going to vote for anti-ethanol John McCain. You'll have to find 7 other electoral votes for the old man.

    Edit: You can give him Connecticut and all its Joementum.

    Except Bush won Iowa last time.

    2004countymap-final.gif

    That was a long 4 years ago.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.


    It's all going alone with my plan, wherein Nebraska becomes the deciding state since it splits it's electoral votes.
    electoralmap.png

    *evil scientist laugh*

    Sorry dude, Iowa isn't going to vote for anti-ethanol John McCain. You'll have to find 7 other electoral votes for the old man.

    Edit: You can give him Connecticut and all its Joementum.

    Except Bush won Iowa last time.

    2004countymap-final.gif

    That was a long 4 years ago.
    They essentially stopped polling Iowa this month because Obama is up double digits.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    so.. this is only slightly related to the Presidents race, but it's a question that's been bugging me lately.

    I work at WalMart. And I think I saw that there were others working there too.

    Have any of the others that are working at Walmart, or similar stores, been encouraged to vote Republican due to the Union issue?

    I keep hearing rumors of stores putting, not exactly pressure, but something close to it.

    Also... what's the Pie story?

    I work at Wal-Mart, and yeah, they took supervisors to meetings and basically told them "Unions are evil" and the "the Democrats are pro-Union", therefore....

    I know that my Department Manager went to a meeting that she told me was basically a workshop to teach the DMs how to "Convince your employees that they don't want a Union".

    The most she did when she came back from that was tell us what they wanted her to.

    But... I've been hearing things about actual.. pressure happening. like Pressue, with a capital P

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sam wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Sam wrote: »
    It actually stuns me to not see Obama take him to task on it. If it's easy enough for me to figure out by just doing a little digging, why can't Obama just point it out? I did drink during all the debates but I recall feeling frustrated that Obama wasn't refuting along those lines whenever Mccain started chewing the cud.

    It takes more than 30 seconds to explain and make a point. He may have wrapped it into his stump speech with the broader discussion of tax cuts and the economy and abloo, but nobody cares about stump speeches.

    "Senator MCcain claims that my plan raises taxes on small business owners. This is patently false- he refers to those that file their small business income as personal income for taxation reasons.

    Your average American is probably asleep at this point. All they hear is the part in bold.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

    Do you actually live next to Iowa?

    Polls don't mean shit. Fuck, we have polls daily because Gallup is based here. People just want them out of their face.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Polls don't mean shit.
    In that case, Obama will win TEXAS!!!!!! I mean, a bunch of Democrats have won that state.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

    Do you actually live next to Iowa?

    Polls don't mean shit. Fuck, we have polls daily because Gallup is based here. People just want them out of their face.

    Alternately because you like folksy anecdotes instead of you know, reality: Obama met basically every human being in the state of Iowa. They seem to like him a lot and took ownership of his campaign.

    He will win Iowa.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

    Do you actually live next to Iowa?

    Polls don't mean shit. Fuck, we have polls daily because Gallup is based here. People just want them out of their face.

    Alternately because you like folksy anecdotes instead of you know, reality: Obama met basically every human being in the state of Iowa. They seem to like him a lot and took ownership of his campaign.

    He will win Iowa.

    He actually also came to Nebraska, which is why he trounced Hillary here.

    Kerry was also up and 'supposed' to win Iowa.

    Democrats should win more elections in this area but they always do something to fuck it up, like entirely withdrawing from the state and leaving their candidate to fend for himself..

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    so.. this is only slightly related to the Presidents race, but it's a question that's been bugging me lately.

    I work at WalMart. And I think I saw that there were others working there too.

    Have any of the others that are working at Walmart, or similar stores, been encouraged to vote Republican due to the Union issue?

    I keep hearing rumors of stores putting, not exactly pressure, but something close to it.

    Also... what's the Pie story?

    I work at Wal-Mart, and yeah, they took supervisors to meetings and basically told them "Unions are evil" and the "the Democrats are pro-Union", therefore....

    Can an employer get in trouble for trying to influence the vote of its staff like this?

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    plufim wrote: »
    so.. this is only slightly related to the Presidents race, but it's a question that's been bugging me lately.

    I work at WalMart. And I think I saw that there were others working there too.

    Have any of the others that are working at Walmart, or similar stores, been encouraged to vote Republican due to the Union issue?

    I keep hearing rumors of stores putting, not exactly pressure, but something close to it.

    Also... what's the Pie story?

    I work at Wal-Mart, and yeah, they took supervisors to meetings and basically told them "Unions are evil" and the "the Democrats are pro-Union", therefore....

    Can an employer get in trouble for trying to influence the vote of its staff like this?

    Short answer? Yes.

    Long answer? No.

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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    She warned voters about Democratic plans to raise taxes "on America's hard-working families and our small businesses and a lot of folks just like Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman out there."
    Why does she lie? Why does the fucking idiot lie?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

    Do you actually live next to Iowa?

    Polls don't mean shit. Fuck, we have polls daily because Gallup is based here. People just want them out of their face.

    Alternately because you like folksy anecdotes instead of you know, reality: Obama met basically every human being in the state of Iowa. They seem to like him a lot and took ownership of his campaign.

    He will win Iowa.

    He actually also came to Nebraska, which is why he trounced Hillary here.

    Kerry was also up and 'supposed' to win Iowa.

    Democrats should win more elections in this area but they always do something to fuck it up, like entirely withdrawing from the state and leaving their candidate to fend for himself..

    Are you referring to Scott Kleeb, by any chance?

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

    Do you actually live next to Iowa?

    Polls don't mean shit. Fuck, we have polls daily because Gallup is based here. People just want them out of their face.

    Alternately because you like folksy anecdotes instead of you know, reality: Obama met basically every human being in the state of Iowa. They seem to like him a lot and took ownership of his campaign.

    He will win Iowa.

    He actually also came to Nebraska, which is why he trounced Hillary here.

    Kerry was also up and 'supposed' to win Iowa.

    Democrats should win more elections in this area but they always do something to fuck it up, like entirely withdrawing from the state and leaving their candidate to fend for himself..

    Are you referring to Scott Kleeb, by any chance?

    No, Jim Esch (who I'm voting for). He would have had a chance, but the party sent everyone over to Iowa to do battle, and when people saw him winning early on, they actually got off their asses and voted Terry back in. Remember how the Democrats needed 'just one seat'? Yeah, they could have easily gotten it from Nebraska.

    This time they're actually putting some money behind him.

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    plufim wrote: »
    so.. this is only slightly related to the Presidents race, but it's a question that's been bugging me lately.

    I work at WalMart. And I think I saw that there were others working there too.

    Have any of the others that are working at Walmart, or similar stores, been encouraged to vote Republican due to the Union issue?

    I keep hearing rumors of stores putting, not exactly pressure, but something close to it.

    Also... what's the Pie story?

    I work at Wal-Mart, and yeah, they took supervisors to meetings and basically told them "Unions are evil" and the "the Democrats are pro-Union", therefore....

    Can an employer get in trouble for trying to influence the vote of its staff like this?

    Short answer? Yes.

    Long answer? No.

    Sigh. That's what I expected.

    It always bothers me that unions are often all painted with the "evil, anti-buisness" brush. Unions have done some incredibly important things for workers rights world wide. The political right always hates them though (especially here in australia), despite the fact that the majority of workers are employees, not employers.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    She warned voters about Democratic plans to raise taxes "on America's hard-working families and our small businesses and a lot of folks just like Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman out there."
    Why does she lie? Why does the fucking idiot lie?

    Because people are stupid and will believe anything if it's repeated often enough?

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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    She warned voters about Democratic plans to raise taxes "on America's hard-working families and our small businesses and a lot of folks just like Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman out there."
    Why does she lie? Why does the fucking idiot lie?

    Because people are stupid and will believe anything if it's repeated often enough?

    Yeah :(

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

    Do you actually live next to Iowa?

    Polls don't mean shit. Fuck, we have polls daily because Gallup is based here. People just want them out of their face.

    Alternately because you like folksy anecdotes instead of you know, reality: Obama met basically every human being in the state of Iowa. They seem to like him a lot and took ownership of his campaign.

    He will win Iowa.

    He actually also came to Nebraska, which is why he trounced Hillary here.

    Kerry was also up and 'supposed' to win Iowa.

    Democrats should win more elections in this area but they always do something to fuck it up, like entirely withdrawing from the state and leaving their candidate to fend for himself..
    The RCP index on Iowa in 2004 had Bush up .3%. He won by .67%.
    The RCP index on Iowa in 2008 has Obama up 11.8%.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    PantsB wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Have you seen an Iowa poll this cycle FyreWulff? It's a blowout.

    Do you actually live next to Iowa?

    Polls don't mean shit. Fuck, we have polls daily because Gallup is based here. People just want them out of their face.

    Alternately because you like folksy anecdotes instead of you know, reality: Obama met basically every human being in the state of Iowa. They seem to like him a lot and took ownership of his campaign.

    He will win Iowa.

    He actually also came to Nebraska, which is why he trounced Hillary here.

    Kerry was also up and 'supposed' to win Iowa.

    Democrats should win more elections in this area but they always do something to fuck it up, like entirely withdrawing from the state and leaving their candidate to fend for himself..
    The RCP index on Iowa in 2004 had Bush up .3%. He won by .67%.
    The RCP index on Iowa in 2008 has Obama up 11.8%.

    It takes a lot of fucking up to kill a lead like that.

    I don't think Obama knows how to fuck up that hard.

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    She warned voters about Democratic plans to raise taxes "on America's hard-working families and our small businesses and a lot of folks just like Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman out there."
    Why does she lie? Why does the fucking idiot lie?

    Because people are stupid and will believe anything if it's repeated often enough?

    Yeah :(

    Even if Obama used his money bin (ducktales, woo) to fund an add campaign that layed out in simple terms why his proposed tax system is better for small buisness, and had it play every ad break on every major channel, it wouldn't change many minds. A lot of people who believe this seem to be those who'll not believe what obama says anyway. He could point out over and over sarah is lying, and it just would not matter for a lot of people.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    moniker wrote: »
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    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.


    It's all going alone with my plan, wherein Nebraska becomes the deciding state since it splits it's electoral votes.
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    *evil scientist laugh*

    Sorry dude, Iowa isn't going to vote for anti-ethanol John McCain. You'll have to find 7 other electoral votes for the old man.

    Edit: You can give him Connecticut and all its Joementum.

    Except Bush won Iowa last time.

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    That was a long 4 years ago.

    Ack. That map makes me feel... ill.

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