In fact, McCain's own convention speech this summer forced a change in the start time of the NFL's season opener, which started an hour and a half earlier to accommodate McCain's speech.
I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT I WAS NOT EVEN UPSET BY THAT.
I'm sure he's just preparing his retort with presidential quotes.
He's also the guy who brought FaceCarver onto PA last week. I wouldn't expect him to bother posting anything of substance.
And socialism? Seriously? If it was so terrible why is our greatest source of illegal immigrants Mexico and not Canada? All those illegal immigrants who look like latinos are actually pigmentally-altered Canadians escaping the evils of low gun violence and flawed, but free healthcar... OOoOoOoOoooOoo
Joe the Plumber: Big douchebag, or biggest douchebag?
When a McCain supporter asked him if he believed "a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel," Wurzelbacher replied, "I'll go ahead and agree with you on that." He didn't elaborate on how Obama, who has said his commitment to Israeli security is "nonnegotiable," would be caustic for the Jewish state.
I just finished writing a little piece for my website about what I think the greatest loss will be if McCain actually wins (aside from the possibility of a President Palin). I'm looking for feedback so definitely lemme know what you guys think:
Over the past six months, Democrats and independent Obama supporters have spelled out a number of doomsday scenarios in the event of a loss next week: economic regression, further entrapment in neoconservative foreign policy, and “100 years†in Iraq under President McCain. These consequences do indeed sound dreadful, but they overlook a series of historical traits that separate the real John McCain from the ghoulish, Bush-clone warmonger that haunts the dreams of more liberal Americans.
Economically John McCain is a fiscal conservative. He has transparently stated that he favors a federal spending freeze. George W. Bush spent more numerically than any President in history. John McCain has a history of working with Democrats in the senate: John Kerry on Vietnam relations and Russ Feingold on campaign-finance reform, for example. Moreover he has a history of opposing Republicans, particularly on tobacco laws (his position here was supported by the Clinton administration), immigration reform, and the execution of the Iraq War. His votes to confirm Clinton-appointed Justices Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg also imply an even-handed rationality when determining who belongs on the Supreme Court. Though he supports the Iraq war, I find it hard to believe he is a warmonger. He worked tirelessly in the early 1990’s to stabilize relations between the US and Vietnam. I repeat, he worked tirelessly to stabilize relations between the US and the country of men who tortured him for five years. Furthermore, he was vocally opposed to mid-1990’s US military operations in Somalia.
I am not trying to make a case for McCain. If I had one I found truly convincing I would not be voting for Barack Obama on Tuesday. I am instead making the case that 4 years under John McCain would not be a continuation of 8 years of George W. Bush. Bush is a neoconservative ideologue whose administration openly evoked cronyism. I find little rational reason to believe that McCain is similar to him in any meaningful way aside from party affiliation and moderation on immigration; that is to say that any Republican has as much in common with Bush as McCain does, if not much more. However, supporters of Sen. Obama continue to believe the generally perpetuated Democratic myth that he is George W. Bush II.
Sen. McCain’s campaign, of course, has done nothing to attempt to alleviate their fears. In fact, its Machiavellian tactics and overtly unacceptable distortions have served to polarize his opposition. His campaign has forsaken nearly all of his moderate or oppositional appeal to win back a previously hostile Republican base, and it has done so at the expense of American political discourse as a whole. It would seem that the Rovian goal shifted from winning votes for John McCain to taking votes away from the far more fiscally equipped Barack Obama. In spite of this shameful use of slander, I still have a strong belief that John McCain would make a much better president than a candidate. What Obama supporters and, in fact, all Americans should fear most about a McCain victory is the validation of such political tactics and their disease-like exponential spread.
Barack Obama’s campaign has raised over $600 million compared to McCain’s ~$360 Million. If McCain wins, he will have done so in the face of overwhelming financial odds. His campaign will be celebrated as achieving a goal few would think possible given the conditions; and Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis would be considered Republican heroes. That’s right, Steve “I’m Karl Rove’s apprentice†Schmidt and Rick “If this campaign is about the issues, we lose†Davis.
Placing the tactics of this campaign on a pedestal is akin to replacing Wikipedia with Conservapedia. It’s validating the outrageous suggestion that your opponent is anti-American in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It’s embracing image-based, negative politics over issue-oriented discussion. It’s encouraging campaigns to promote ideas that lead to supporters screaming “Kill that Fucker†as a man does 12 seconds into this video:
The fact that McCain himself was victimized by similar campaign practices in his 2000 bid for the presidency makes the current state of his message all the more sad, ironic, and damaging. In South Carolina, McCain was accused by parties not all dissociated from Bush campaign of fathering an illegitimate black child, being a homosexual, abandoning veterans, and being brainwashed by his Vietnamese captors during the war. It is mind-boggling that he would allow his campaign today to mount similarly outrageous claims against his opponent; accusing him of “palling around with terrorists†and supporting voter fraud without legitimate basis. The greatest distortion of the Obama campaign, being that McCain would be another George W. Bush, pales in comparison to such disgusting ad hominem rhetoric.
Such campaign practices must be openly rejected by the American public.
Of course, an Obama victory will not make those who follow such models magically disappear. Fox News will not fire Karl Rove, Steve Schmidt will not be placed on a “do not hire†list, and unfair, negative campaigning will continue on some level. But an Obama win is certainly better than the alternative in this regard. As Obama supporters, as Americans, our greatest risk is not a victory for McCain, but a victory for his campaign.
I can understand you wanting us to look at McCain's past to show he wouldn't be More Bush, but you need to remember how easily he cast all that away to garner support. And now that he's done that, and his support relies on these extreme positions, how easily do you think he can divorce himself from this?
Research 2000 puts Burner/Reichert race at a statistical tie at 46%
SurveyUSA has Burner up 50%-46%
Gregoire/Rossi is currently at 50-48 in Gregoire's favor according to Rasmussen.
Here's hoping we don't get a repeat of four years ago with the six recounts and the lawsuits.
Gregoire being in the lead surprises me considering Rossi is running that tax ad every god damn commercial break. I still think Burner is not going to make it. And why have I seen 0 ads for Jay Inslee the congressman I could actually vote for?
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I can understand you wanting us to look at McCain's past to show he wouldn't be More Bush, but you need to remember how easily he cast all that away to garner support. And now that he's done that, and his support relies on these extreme positions, how easily do you think he can divorce himself from this?
Politicians have a history of divorcing themselves from the positions they espoused to get elected. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain did the same.
Also, I do value what McCain has DONE more than what he says at campaign rallies (though both are of course important).
Again, though, defending McCain was only half of the point of that piece. The other half is stating that a win for his campaign would be a disturbing blow to American political discourse.
Research 2000 puts Burner/Reichert race at a statistical tie at 46%
SurveyUSA has Burner up 50%-46%
Gregoire/Rossi is currently at 50-48 in Gregoire's favor according to Rasmussen.
Here's hoping we don't get a repeat of four years ago with the six recounts and the lawsuits.
Gregoire being in the lead surprises me considering Rossi is running that tax ad every god damn commercial break. I still think Burner is not going to make it. And why have I seen 0 ads for Jay Inslee the congressman I could actually vote for?
Rossi is a R when its not good to be a R and its even worse to be a possibly dirty R.
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And I really hope Burner wins.
If Obama wins Georgia, I'll cry. And then I'll need you to cheer me up.
EMOTIONAL CONFLICT.
Why is that a conflict, in the glorious Mondale like stomping McCain is going to give Obama (enough that bradley will be couched for the newer Obama effect) georgia is as red as apple pie.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Rossi is a R when its not good to be a R and its even worse to be a possibly dirty R.
Rossi is an R in washington state who isn't really associated with the McCain campaign or national R's also he has the stigma of getting screwed gore style in the last election. That this isn't a cake walk for him is surprising.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Research 2000 puts Burner/Reichert race at a statistical tie at 46%
SurveyUSA has Burner up 50%-46%
Gregoire/Rossi is currently at 50-48 in Gregoire's favor according to Rasmussen.
Here's hoping we don't get a repeat of four years ago with the six recounts and the lawsuits.
Gregoire being in the lead surprises me considering Rossi is running that tax ad every god damn commercial break. I still think Burner is not going to make it. And why have I seen 0 ads for Jay Inslee the congressman I could actually vote for?
Rossi is under investigation for campaign finance shenanigans, and is doing a deposition this week, just FYI
All that shit that was good about McCain, how about he was lying about that to simply build up reputation, renown, and a base. He's used the people he won over to get where he is and now his true colors are showing.
Rossi is a R when its not good to be a R and its even worse to be a possibly dirty R.
Rossi is an R in washington state who isn't really associated with the McCain campaign or national R's also he has the stigma of getting screwed gore style in the last election. That this isn't a cake walk for him is surprising.
A significant portion of the Rs in Mass are to the left of the majority of the D party to the point that they are pro-same sex marriage. Doesn't mean they aren't being punished the last 6 years for having a R next to their names.
Rossi is under investigation for campaign finance shenanigans, and is doing a deposition this week, just FYI
Man where is the campaign ad for that! Honestly if there any undecided voters left in washington they are probably sick and tired of the ads. Watching local tv you'd have 4 governor ads in the space of a one tv break. And yet no presidential ad love.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I can see NH and the Southwest. Even Michigan. But Conneticut and California? No wonder they're having to defend Virginia, Montana, Arizona, West Virginia, Indiana, North Carolina...
I can see NH and the Southwest. Even Michigan. But Conneticut and California? No wonder they're having to defend Virginia, Montana, Arizona, West Virginia, Indiana, North Carolina...
Remember the Obama effect will show that none of those red states were actually going to vote for obama they were merely saying that to pollsters same with "blue" states like california and illinois. Honestly get ready for the new administration of McCain/Palin.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
So, help me out on a question. Let's assume, in the rare moment of confidence we have on this subject, that Obama wins in a landslide so obvious we more or less have it confirmed by early evening. What are the close elections we should be looking out for? The House surely has some close ones, but I think we're more interested in seeing how close to 60 we can tick. What are the most likely dead heats on that one? And what about other laws and propositions. California's Prop 8 will be close enough to keep our focus, but what else? Will we have this presidency thread (or its great-great-grandchild, more likely,) and a separate thread for the other elections?
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You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
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See, if Bush ran for the House...
A) his opposition would be Chet Edwards, safe in his seat, and I'd donate money to his campaign if it meant Bush's career ended on a Welcome To Mooseport note like that.
the GOP establishment would not want him hanging around the House. He's a big part of why the party's in this mess. To have him hanging around Congress would be to see him being a free image in every Democratic ad for as long as he sticks around. Especially the first time he runs. The action of Bush running for Congress in 2010 would just send the message "Please, Democrats, kick our asses a third consecutive time. We're addicted to boots up our bungholes."
C) Bush still being an active member in the party means he takes part in the 'where does the party go from here' discussion, which the GOP in all likelihood doesn't want him to be part of either. They want to kick his ass out and figure out how the hell they're going to recover. They can't do that until Bush is well and truly gone.
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So, help me out on a question. Let's assume, in the rare moment of confidence we have on this subject, that Obama wins in a landslide so obvious we more or less have it confirmed by early evening. What are the close elections we should be looking out for? The House surely has some close ones, but I think we're more interested in seeing how close to 60 we can tick. What are the most likely dead heats on that one? And what about other laws and propositions. California's Prop 8 will be close enough to keep our focus, but what else? Will we have this presidency thread (or its great-great-grandchild, more likely,) and a separate thread for the other elections?
I think we should have an "election night" thread just for that night
Rossi is a R when its not good to be a R and its even worse to be a possibly dirty R.
Rossi is an R in washington state who isn't really associated with the McCain campaign or national R's also he has the stigma of getting screwed gore style in the last election. That this isn't a cake walk for him is surprising.
How so? Gregoire has been a halfway decent governor from what I've seen - it's the fact that he's been able to nurse the whole "I wuz robbed" mantra for four years that has allowed him to keep the race close in the first place.
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He's also the guy who brought FaceCarver onto PA last week. I wouldn't expect him to bother posting anything of substance.
And socialism? Seriously? If it was so terrible why is our greatest source of illegal immigrants Mexico and not Canada? All those illegal immigrants who look like latinos are actually pigmentally-altered Canadians escaping the evils of low gun violence and flawed, but free healthcar... OOoOoOoOoooOoo
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Research 2000 puts Burner/Reichert race at a statistical tie at 46%
SurveyUSA has Burner up 50%-46%
Gregoire/Rossi is currently at 50-48 in Gregoire's favor according to Rasmussen.
Here's hoping we don't get a repeat of four years ago with the six recounts and the lawsuits.
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Gregoire being in the lead surprises me considering Rossi is running that tax ad every god damn commercial break. I still think Burner is not going to make it. And why have I seen 0 ads for Jay Inslee the congressman I could actually vote for?
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Politicians have a history of divorcing themselves from the positions they espoused to get elected. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain did the same.
Also, I do value what McCain has DONE more than what he says at campaign rallies (though both are of course important).
Again, though, defending McCain was only half of the point of that piece. The other half is stating that a win for his campaign would be a disturbing blow to American political discourse.
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EMOTIONAL CONFLICT.
Some dipshit thinks Bush should run for the House after he leaves office. It includes the phrase "Surely, he'd get elected".
He'd really be the reincarnation of Johnson, then.
Recalculating.....:winky:
Rossi is a R when its not good to be a R and its even worse to be a possibly dirty R.
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And I really hope Burner wins.
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Why is that a conflict, in the glorious Mondale like stomping McCain is going to give Obama (enough that bradley will be couched for the newer Obama effect) georgia is as red as apple pie.
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Let him continue to shit all over the Republican party?
I'm in!
Rossi is an R in washington state who isn't really associated with the McCain campaign or national R's also he has the stigma of getting screwed gore style in the last election. That this isn't a cake walk for him is surprising.
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Win, win.
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Rossi is under investigation for campaign finance shenanigans, and is doing a deposition this week, just FYI
What are you saying socialist?
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All that shit that was good about McCain, how about he was lying about that to simply build up reputation, renown, and a base. He's used the people he won over to get where he is and now his true colors are showing.
That sounds much more sinister.
I'll go with that.
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A significant portion of the Rs in Mass are to the left of the majority of the D party to the point that they are pro-same sex marriage. Doesn't mean they aren't being punished the last 6 years for having a R next to their names.
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Man where is the campaign ad for that! Honestly if there any undecided voters left in washington they are probably sick and tired of the ads. Watching local tv you'd have 4 governor ads in the space of a one tv break. And yet no presidential ad love.
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Actually, the correct way to make apple pie is with pears.
I can see NH and the Southwest. Even Michigan. But Conneticut and California? No wonder they're having to defend Virginia, Montana, Arizona, West Virginia, Indiana, North Carolina...
Her being angry about Georgia would make me clench my fists.
"Cheer, up. On the bright side, OBAMA JUST FUCKING WON GEORGIA."
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Fucking liberal education system.
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Remember the Obama effect will show that none of those red states were actually going to vote for obama they were merely saying that to pollsters same with "blue" states like california and illinois. Honestly get ready for the new administration of McCain/Palin.
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Sex is better when it comes from the newly conquered.
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A) his opposition would be Chet Edwards, safe in his seat, and I'd donate money to his campaign if it meant Bush's career ended on a Welcome To Mooseport note like that.
C) Bush still being an active member in the party means he takes part in the 'where does the party go from here' discussion, which the GOP in all likelihood doesn't want him to be part of either. They want to kick his ass out and figure out how the hell they're going to recover. They can't do that until Bush is well and truly gone.
I think we should have an "election night" thread just for that night
Also the IRC room will probably be hoppin
Come on! The hanging chad joke was right there!
How so? Gregoire has been a halfway decent governor from what I've seen - it's the fact that he's been able to nurse the whole "I wuz robbed" mantra for four years that has allowed him to keep the race close in the first place.
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Fixed for hilarious.
Someone is still peeved he didnt get the veep nod.
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