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Québec again
LordLeviathan
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I want try this again but this time with more information.if it failed well I am not posting it again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_over_criticism_of_Quebec_society
I would like to know why people don't like Québec and the fact we speak french.
in topic of the nation of Québec, must people were bashing it which It have nothing to do with the topic.
also in this topic, you guys can talk about anything you want to know about Québec like politics, social, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_over_criticism_of_Quebec_society
I would like to know why people don't like Québec and the fact we speak french.
in topic of the nation of Québec, must people were bashing it which It have nothing to do with the topic.
also in this topic, you guys can talk about anything you want to know about Québec like politics, social, etc.
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Plus, your Grand Library is falling apart already.
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Well, some people like me.
Ok, so nobody likes me. But it's not because I'm from Québec.
I find what really annoys people is the constant preaching and bitching about sovereignty. Not learning about it, as I've said before, but listening to the whining, the empty go-to arguments like "c'est la faute à Ottawa" or "le Canada nous fourre", all that crap. They're sick of hearing about it. And so am I, frankly. One of the most positive aspects of having moved out of the province is that I barely ever hear about sovereignty anymore.
My friend has a chalet over there and man is it ever beautiful.
No one I know hates Quebec for speaking French. I hate that your province uses the Not-Withstanding Clause in the Charter of Rights to enforce unequal language rights and remove rights from a minority. If any other province did to French Canadians what Quebec does to non-francophones, they'd be pilloried from coast to coast in the media, and justly so.
Also, the constant "should I stay or should I go" gets on some people's nerves.
But hatred for speaking French? Nah. No one gives a rats ass Contrary to what the paranoid members of the various sovereignty parties might have you think, the rest of the country isn't planning to be in ur province, oppressing ur culture.
I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
As an anglophone here in Quebec, I don't mind the language laws. I like that all the signs and billboards are in French. It gives the city a nice flavour and it's not that fucking hard to learn a second language anyway, especially since most people in the area speak it.
Immigrants having to send their kids to French schools instead of having the choice of English ones is slightly less defendable, but I honestly wish that I'd gone to French elementary school, so I'd be equally capable in French and English. It's good for you in every conceivable way to learn a second language, and it's not emotionally scarring or anything... If you're too stubborn to learn though, Ontario is that way
In my university classes I have a lot of Francophones who switched to English schools in CEGEP/University, and they're doing just fine. Their English is better than my french, even, because English-Highschool French classes are kinda pathetic.
Are the laws really necessary to preserve French in Quebec? History seems to say so, and common sense does too in my opinion.
Which isn't to say that you don't get the occasional stupid idea coming out of Quebec. Like that push to have both "Arette" and "Stop" on every sign in the country? The big red octagon is too confusing?
My only issue has been mentioned before; that being the douchebaggery and perceived racist undertones to the non-Levesque sovereignty movement. Other than that, I think Quebec is wonderful.
Almost as awesome as B.C., even.
In cities like Montreal this is not a problem, but there are some small entirely anglo villages that have illegally run businesses (or businesses that shut down because of this) because they actually can't get the French speaking workers or can't/won't abide to certain rules because they just don't make sense.
Also, fuck Trudeau.
Edit: On the plus side, Montreal is a kickass, beautiful city with lots of interesting people and A LOT of porno shops. Also, they have bilingual homeless people there. I shit you not, the last time I went there (a few months ago) I walked past two homeless guys. One aksed in a mumbled voice "spare some change?" while the other said (I'm assuming) the equivalent in French.
In any case, I have no beef with Québec. The French-speaking thing doesn't bother me at all, but that's probably because half of my extended family is Cajun. Plus, everything here is in both English and Spanish anyway, so I guess I'm used to the multiple language issue. Honestly, I'd like to visit Québec someday - it sounds pretty neat. I've only visited Canada a couple of times, but it was just to Windsor and back when I was living in Detroit. I'd love a full-on vacation there someday.
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Of course there is the issue of sovereignty and all that jazz for the quebecois, if they can seperate fine if not they should shut up about it for more than a year :?
Also the FLQ is not helping the issue.
[spoiler:6022c40e4e]VOIVOD! [/spoiler:6022c40e4e]
When was the FLQ Crisis? '68? Nearly forty years, anyway. I can't believe it's been so long.
They have been in the news again lately with some idiotic bombing threats against the un-french speaking.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070119/flq_CSIS_070119/20070119/
I personally think it might be a hoax, I hope I'm right.
They own a brewery.
And they say my name in a way that is better than how anyone else says my name.
But no.
I had to go with the shitty American version.
I cannot wait until the draft so I can run away to the brewery to escape dying.
(I do not dislike Quebec)
I remember something like that happened in 95 too. Right after the federalist won the referendum, some FLQ letters were received saying there would be retributions against (allegedly) pro-federalism businesses. There were no retributions. It was just hot air, most likely a bunch of kids trying to scare people with the FLQ name without having any way to carry out the threats.
No, fuck you. I'm a Trudeau.
And Quebec is awesome.
Essentially, just STFU and be Canadian like the rest of us. So you've got a different language and culture. That's great. Now stop bitching about it and trying to break the country apart.
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Agreed, Pierre Trudeau and his whole family can go fuck themselves.
I agree with the all of this.
I'm from the other side of the country and there are quite a few people who hate Quebec, but it's because of the seperation thing and not the culture difference.
1) All exterior signs have to have French predominant. The other language (English or otherwise) is supposed to be something like 25% the size of the French.
2) Children of French-speaking parents and immigrants must go into French-language elementary school.
3) Most professionals (Doctors, Engineers, etc.) have to prove that they know the French language before they can be part of their professional order in Quebec. To prove that you know French, you either have to take a French exam or have high-school education in Quebec (where all students have to take a French exam). I think this is reasonable, since 80%+ of people in Quebec speak French. If you can't speak French here, you shouldn't be a doctor.
4) I know there's something about businesses having to use French as their language of correspondence or something, but nobody really cares about this.
All this is supposed to protect the French language in a province that is part of a continent that is overwhelmingly English. I guess you can argue that this is not necessary, but I think it is.
The main reason Québec has the language laws because they were effectively a conquered nation who were allowed to stay where they where while the English took over.
And they don't constantly try to leave Canada.
It just stinks of elitism, that they want to be seperate not because it actually has any benefit to anybody, but because they act like they're too good to be associated with the rest of Canada (and if that's how they treat other Canadians, I don't see them getting along well at all with Americans).
carry on
Hey, if any Canadian culture deserves special rights, it's sure as hell not Quebec.
Here's a hint, we fucked the First Nations a thousand times harder than we ever fucked Quebec.
And really, that's the most asinine part. Referendum: "Quebec should separate from Canada, yes or no?" Where Yes means "yes please separate from Canada in perpetuity", and No means "ask again later".
It's statements like that which fan the flame of the sovreigntist movement.
He must hate California too.
Your name is Molson?
I have no idea what their name is.
Relatively distant relatives.
All I know is that they have French accents and lots of brewery monies.
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Also, I'm pretty sure they make non-shit booze.