Ok, so I'm gonna start a muscle building diet soon, hitting the weights and all that; is this report saying I can hit up the doller menu for cheap and great tasting food for thats gonna put on mad calories which helps me put on muscle?
awesome.
haha, I doubt that would work for some reason. . .
If you are seriously looking to start training soon I can point you in the direction of a thread with a ridiculous amount of excellent advice.
The fitness thread in H/A? I know of it and I also got a book with alot of great info.
I'm just excited at the idea that Micky D's isn't necessarily unhealthy for you since the doller menu is cheap, tasty, and it'd give me the extra calories to build muscle; I could eat it everyday for 8 weeks, but I doubt it will.
Well, I wouldn't, because I've seriously gone off it, but I think the overall message I wanted to give with this thread was "fuck you fundamentalist dieticians, you're still fat and I'm still laughing at you"
There were other things important the movie did, like the whole thing about nutrition information at McDonalds.
and McDonald's got rid of supersize.
No, they just started calling "large" medium and "supersize" large.
oh for real? sneaky motherfuckers. I never go there so I owuldnt know.
Wendys > McD's
Yeah, I pretty much always go to Wendy's too, and I stopped at a McD on a road trip to grab something to eat because it's what was availible. I didn't realize they'd switched names around and shit and ordered a large, meaning "That size that's still dumbly big but not so big I will shit my pants in an hour" and looked at what they gave me and was all WTF. Then the register jockey explained, and I called them sneaky motherfuckers, and everyone had a good laugh.
But secondly, the results in the variance of the effect that the 6600 calorie diet had on people are amazing. Some people put on muscle mass rather then fat and didn't suffer any apparent liver problems, others suffered almost the same as the movie. Some people appear to deal with the extra calories by increasing their body temperature (and thus basal metabolic rate).
So, no one seemed to really discuss this portion of the study.
I think it's interesting. I have a feeling I know what the problem may very well be: high-fructose corn syrup.
Yeah, I know, I'm like a broken record with this shit. But there was a study that came out a year or so ago, that correlates a rise in obesity rates with a rise in soda consumption. Yeah, I know, correlation/causation fallacy, but seriously, you're talking about a bunch of calories that are essentially a nutritional vacuum. Liquid death, if you will.
I think it's interesting. I have a feeling I know what the problem may very well be: high-fructose corn syrup.
I quit that shit completely years ago. Anyone who cares about their health, not talking longevity here, but rather quality of life, really ought to do the same.
Oh, and those Sobe drinks? Fuck those. They're full of the same shit. Just look at the ingredients list. Even their "green tea" is basically a giant bottle of cola.
Yeah, I know, I'm like a broken record with this shit. But there was a study that came out a year or so ago, that correlates a rise in obesity rates with a rise in soda consumption. Yeah, I know, correlation/causation fallacy, but seriously, you're talking about a bunch of calories that are essentially a nutritional vacuum. Liquid death, if you will.
I read a book that talked about this. Fat Land? Something like that.
But secondly, the results in the variance of the effect that the 6600 calorie diet had on people are amazing. Some people put on muscle mass rather then fat and didn't suffer any apparent liver problems, others suffered almost the same as the movie. Some people appear to deal with the extra calories by increasing their body temperature (and thus basal metabolic rate).
So, no one seemed to really discuss this portion of the study.
I think it's interesting. I have a feeling I know what the problem may very well be: high-fructose corn syrup.
Yeah, I know, I'm like a broken record with this shit. But there was a study that came out a year or so ago, that correlates a rise in obesity rates with a rise in soda consumption. Yeah, I know, correlation/causation fallacy, but seriously, you're talking about a bunch of calories that are essentially a nutritional vacuum. Liquid death, if you will.
So easy to consume too, going back to the OP comment about how normal people would have to work to become obese - not necessarily so when taking into account the liquid calories that are so easy to ignore. When a weight loss thread came about in H/A all I contributed was: Cut out the soda!@ I've seen first hand what switching to water alone for your drinking needs can do to a person's waist line in multiple cases, and it is staggering.
Also, high fructose corn syrup, it's not just in your large soda. It's in your McDonald's bun, in the mayo and the ketchup and sauces, the salad dressings, the croutons: Its everywhere man!
That, combined with buckets of trans-fat and preservatives, and generally low quality ingredients...just because this study showed it doesn't automatically make you fat, doesn't mean it's healthy and that your body won't eventually pay the price.
But secondly, the results in the variance of the effect that the 6600 calorie diet had on people are amazing. Some people put on muscle mass rather then fat and didn't suffer any apparent liver problems, others suffered almost the same as the movie. Some people appear to deal with the extra calories by increasing their body temperature (and thus basal metabolic rate).
So, no one seemed to really discuss this portion of the study.
I think it's interesting. I have a feeling I know what the problem may very well be: high-fructose corn syrup.
Yeah, I know, I'm like a broken record with this shit. But there was a study that came out a year or so ago, that correlates a rise in obesity rates with a rise in soda consumption. Yeah, I know, correlation/causation fallacy, but seriously, you're talking about a bunch of calories that are essentially a nutritional vacuum. Liquid death, if you will.
So easy to consume too, going back to the OP comment about how normal people would have to work to become obese - not necessarily so when taking into account the liquid calories that are so easy to ignore. When a weight loss thread came about in H/A all I contributed was: Cut out the soda!@ I've seen first hand what switching to water alone for your drinking needs can do to a person's waist line in multiple cases, and it is staggering.
Also, high fructose corn syrup, it's not just in your large soda. It's in your McDonald's bun, in the mayo and the ketchup and sauces, the salad dressings, the croutons: Its everywhere man!
That, combined with buckets of trans-fat and preservatives, and generally low quality ingredients...just because this study showed it doesn't automatically make you fat, doesn't mean it's healthy and that your body won't eventually pay the price.
Yeah, the real problem with the sodas in particular is that your body doesn't think they have calories. Like, they don't fill your stomach at all, and even if you drink 3000 calories' worth, you'll still be hungry.
That, and this might be venturing off-topic, but I think it's ludicrous that "physical education" in public schools involves very little actual education. I didn't actually learn anything in PE. PE would be a really good opportunity to educate people about their physical bodies, like appropriate caloric intakes and how much a fast food value menu meal really is. Meh.
How long did you do PE for? As an elective subject over here it involves a fair amount of basic anatomy (more than bilogy anyway) and nutritional information. As a compulsory subject though it's just designed to get kids active, improve motor skills and help them discover sports that they might enjoy on a long term basis. And teaching them to taunt the weak.
Two years in high school (typically ages 14-18 over here), and all of elementary and junior high school (typically ages 5-13). And yes it was compulsory.
We learned nothing about the human body. Absolutely nothing. Also, in high school, there was a seperate classroom course called "Health" which was really just a euphemism for "Sex Ed." Everything I ever learned about exercise or nutrition was in college.
I think it's interesting. I have a feeling I know what the problem may very well be: high-fructose corn syrup.
I've been trying to eliminate it from my diet, which is proving to be harder than it really should be. I don't even drink regular soda. HFCS is in fucking everything.
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The fact is, most people don't go around downloading nutirtional information off the internet and carefully counting the calories of each and every thing they eat. Hell, people didn't even know what a calorie was until fairly recently in terms of the history of dining. So I don't see the point of, "Yes, you can lose weight at McDonalds, as long as you do exactly the opposite of what people usually do when they buy from there."
It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
I wonder if the atkins fad helped people inadvertantly by helping them cut down on trans and HFCS. Every baked good these days seems to have trans in it. Hell, even the "fresh baked" bread at Subway.
In the UK nowadays they have RDA charts on the packaging, and for the whole meal option in the little nutrition booklets they keep by the counters. They give the percentage daily allowances of fat, calories, salt, sugar and protein.
I mean, true most people dont know what a percentage is, or how to add up to 100 but still, its a start. I think it does show that they are at least vaguely concerned with their image, and it removes the excuse "Noone told me it was bad"
If you want fast food, dont drink the drink, thats my policy. You can just about justify the burger and the fries, provided its your main meal of the day but the drink is totally pointless. Its sugar in water! Youd be better off supersizing the meal and drinking water. I bet if McDonalds started only selling diet coke (Yes I know its bad too since that sugar replacement thing can be bad for you) then the obesity epidemic would be over
Also, like someone else mentioned, the "McD twice a day" diet really isn't all that outside the norm for a lot of people. One of my brothers used to hit McD a couple times per day for a supersize. Dude put on a morbid amount of weight over a short period of time.
Wow, I can't comprehend that. I felt guilty this weekend when I went to Burger King for a double cheesburger and fries.
I suspect that going to (for example) McD's regularly is something like the people who absolutely NEED their Dunkin' Donuts coffee everyday. It's routine verging on dependency.
Of course, I'm about to buy a 3 Musketeers bar, so...
Weight does not equal health. Eating McDonalds everyday may not make you fat(poundwise at least) but it will be bad for your heart, liver and jsut about everything else in your body. It's entirely possible to be skinny and be in extremely bad health. Likewise it possible to have a few extra pounds and be in excellent health
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I'm pretty sure it is McDonalds that uses the beef tallow with the fries.
Supposedly, none of the big ones do in the US anymore.
Which is sad. They use to put a little bacon in whatever they use now, but I think some (Hindu?) vegans objected to that. Use to be that the fries were the only reason to go to McDs. Now there is none.
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I'm pretty sure it is McDonalds that uses the beef tallow with the fries.
Supposedly, none of the big ones do in the US anymore.
Which is sad. They use to put a little bacon in whatever they use now, but I think some (Hindu?) vegans objected to that. Use to be that the fries were the only reason to go to McDs. Now there is none.
Well, vegetarians did too, since french fries are supposed to be potato.
It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
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honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
Not that hard to find a big honking steak and a stick of butter.
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
Not that hard to find a big honking steak and a stick of butter.
Now try finding that eating out at a deli for lunch.
Your basic Burger King number 1 is 1230 calories (after a 479 calorie medium soda), not including cheese.
There's something wrong with that soda calorie figure. One 12oz can of soda is about 150 calories. Fast food soda is invariably watered down compared to canned soda, and they typically fill the damned cup half full of ice. No way in hell is a medium soda the equivalent of 3 cans of soda. It would have to be, like, a 50 oz cup.
edit: And if you remove the soda, that's not a horrible number of calories for a meal. It's 750, which is what each meal should be anyway. It's not exactly a well balanced meal, no, but it's not that bad, calorie-wise.
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It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
It's hard to find meats, fish, cheeses, and vegetables?
It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
It's hard to find meats, fish, cheeses, and vegetables?
It's hard to find things made of nothing but those yes.
It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
It's hard to find meats, fish, cheeses, and vegetables?
It's hard to find things made of nothing but those yes.
Unless you cook your own meals, of course.
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It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
It's hard to find meats, fish, cheeses, and vegetables?
It's hard to find things made of nothing but those yes.
Unless you cook your own meals, of course.
Or, you know, order a sandwich at a deli and remove the two slices of bread (eat the rest like a meat salad with a knife and fork). Seen co-workers fo this plenty of times
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Also, like someone else mentioned, the "McD twice a day" diet really isn't all that outside the norm for a lot of people. One of my brothers used to hit McD a couple times per day for a supersize. Dude put on a morbid amount of weight over a short period of time.
Wow, I can't comprehend that. I felt guilty this weekend when I went to Burger King for a double cheesburger and fries.
I suspect that going to (for example) McD's regularly is something like the people who absolutely NEED their Dunkin' Donuts coffee everyday. It's routine verging on dependency.
Of course, I'm about to buy a 3 Musketeers bar, so...
Are you in Salem, GoodOmens? Nowhere outside New England would anyone consider Dunkins coffee except in desperation, let alone every day.
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It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
It's hard to find meats, fish, cheeses, and vegetables?
It's hard to find things made of nothing but those yes.
Unless you cook your own meals, of course.
Or, you know, order a sandwich at a deli and remove the two slices of bread (eat the rest like a meat salad with a knife and fork). Seen co-workers fo this plenty of times
It's pretty obvious that quantity is the major factor in losing weight. If you consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. That's why diets like Atkins are so goddamned stupid, because they are based around people avoiding important parts of a healthy diet for no reason at all.
What foods do you avoid on diets like Atkins "for no reason at all"?
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
It's hard to find meats, fish, cheeses, and vegetables?
It's hard to find things made of nothing but those yes.
Unless you cook your own meals, of course.
Or, you know, order a sandwich at a deli and remove the two slices of bread (eat the rest like a meat salad with a knife and fork). Seen co-workers fo this plenty of times
Or just get a salad with no dressing.
Aren't oil-and-vinegar dressing pretty low in carbs? Or any dressing that isn't very sweet?
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You're not actually asking that are you?
What, am I supposed to know what a given fast food menu item is?
oh for real? sneaky motherfuckers. I never go there so I owuldnt know.
Wendys > McD's
I think it's interesting. I have a feeling I know what the problem may very well be: high-fructose corn syrup.
Yeah, I know, I'm like a broken record with this shit. But there was a study that came out a year or so ago, that correlates a rise in obesity rates with a rise in soda consumption. Yeah, I know, correlation/causation fallacy, but seriously, you're talking about a bunch of calories that are essentially a nutritional vacuum. Liquid death, if you will.
I quit that shit completely years ago. Anyone who cares about their health, not talking longevity here, but rather quality of life, really ought to do the same.
Oh, and those Sobe drinks? Fuck those. They're full of the same shit. Just look at the ingredients list. Even their "green tea" is basically a giant bottle of cola.
So easy to consume too, going back to the OP comment about how normal people would have to work to become obese - not necessarily so when taking into account the liquid calories that are so easy to ignore. When a weight loss thread came about in H/A all I contributed was: Cut out the soda!@ I've seen first hand what switching to water alone for your drinking needs can do to a person's waist line in multiple cases, and it is staggering.
Also, high fructose corn syrup, it's not just in your large soda. It's in your McDonald's bun, in the mayo and the ketchup and sauces, the salad dressings, the croutons: Its everywhere man!
That, combined with buckets of trans-fat and preservatives, and generally low quality ingredients...just because this study showed it doesn't automatically make you fat, doesn't mean it's healthy and that your body won't eventually pay the price.
Anything sweet is sweetened with corn syrup. Any bread is made from corn meal. It goes on and on.
Two years in high school (typically ages 14-18 over here), and all of elementary and junior high school (typically ages 5-13). And yes it was compulsory.
We learned nothing about the human body. Absolutely nothing. Also, in high school, there was a seperate classroom course called "Health" which was really just a euphemism for "Sex Ed." Everything I ever learned about exercise or nutrition was in college.
I've been trying to eliminate it from my diet, which is proving to be harder than it really should be. I don't even drink regular soda. HFCS is in fucking everything.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I wonder if the atkins fad helped people inadvertantly by helping them cut down on trans and HFCS. Every baked good these days seems to have trans in it. Hell, even the "fresh baked" bread at Subway.
I mean, true most people dont know what a percentage is, or how to add up to 100 but still, its a start. I think it does show that they are at least vaguely concerned with their image, and it removes the excuse "Noone told me it was bad"
If you want fast food, dont drink the drink, thats my policy. You can just about justify the burger and the fries, provided its your main meal of the day but the drink is totally pointless. Its sugar in water! Youd be better off supersizing the meal and drinking water. I bet if McDonalds started only selling diet coke (Yes I know its bad too since that sugar replacement thing can be bad for you) then the obesity epidemic would be over
Wishful thinking away!
Wow, I can't comprehend that. I felt guilty this weekend when I went to Burger King for a double cheesburger and fries.
I suspect that going to (for example) McD's regularly is something like the people who absolutely NEED their Dunkin' Donuts coffee everyday. It's routine verging on dependency.
Of course, I'm about to buy a 3 Musketeers bar, so...
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Which is sad. They use to put a little bacon in whatever they use now, but I think some (Hindu?) vegans objected to that. Use to be that the fries were the only reason to go to McDs. Now there is none.
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Well, vegetarians did too, since french fries are supposed to be potato.
honeslty he makes a good point. One of the reasons people on Atkins proably lose weight isn't so much the carbs. It's that you always have to be looking for Atkins friendly foods and as a result end up eating less since it's harder to find.
Not that hard to find a big honking steak and a stick of butter.
Now try finding that eating out at a deli for lunch.
There's something wrong with that soda calorie figure. One 12oz can of soda is about 150 calories. Fast food soda is invariably watered down compared to canned soda, and they typically fill the damned cup half full of ice. No way in hell is a medium soda the equivalent of 3 cans of soda. It would have to be, like, a 50 oz cup.
edit: And if you remove the soda, that's not a horrible number of calories for a meal. It's 750, which is what each meal should be anyway. It's not exactly a well balanced meal, no, but it's not that bad, calorie-wise.
It's hard to find things made of nothing but those yes.
Unless you cook your own meals, of course.
Or, you know, order a sandwich at a deli and remove the two slices of bread (eat the rest like a meat salad with a knife and fork). Seen co-workers fo this plenty of times
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Aren't oil-and-vinegar dressing pretty low in carbs? Or any dressing that isn't very sweet?