Goths and Emos are indestinguishable in their novice/wannabe forms. Only when you get those that are totally commited to the lifestyle do you really see the differences.
A real Emo kid on a beautiful night would say, 'God, I feel horrible that I'm stuck partying tonight while hundreds of thousands of poor people are starving and alone. Im gonna make a ton of drawings tonight for my 'zine and listen to some Boy's Life and Built to Spill on my Ipod, maybe cut myself.'
A goth kid for starters wouldn't be caught dead at a party with people. She'd be writing a poem to Lord Byron (who reall wasn't anything near a gothic poet but whatever) and meeting with her friends later to LARP some Vampire:TM. Interestingly enough she'd probably go to church that week.
Getting them in the same room would unleash a dimension of suck and lame that rivals the power of even the most dedicated GURPS players on the planet, which is actually how I met these two particular people.
Well, I think a lot of times kids are teased and picked on a lot to begin with, so they dress gothically because then if people shun them or bully them, at least they can think, "It's because I dress differently" rather than "there's something about me they hate". Or they might just like the look. I like the goth look myself, but I don't think I could have pulled it off. And now I work in an office so it's not really an option.
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Well, I think a lot of times kids are teased and picked on a lot to begin with, so they dress gothically because then if people shun them or bully them, at least they can think, "It's because I dress differently" rather than "there's something about me they hate". Or they might just like the look. I like the goth look myself, but I don't think I could have pulled it off. And now I work in an office so it's not really an option.
There's a ton of truth to this. You don't see kids often dropping off the football squad because they really want to rock a trenchcoat and eyeliner. Kids are cruel to each other, and it's probably marginally better to a kid if he's picked on for being a freaky-deaky goth than for being an awkward dork.
When I was a kid, we hated goths because they gave us a bad name. We didn't wear black because we were depressed and introspective - we were just metal as all fuck! :twisted:
I wore black because I liked black. I thought it made me look cool.
I was wrong, of course.
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When I was a kid, we hated goths because they gave us a bad name. We didn't wear black because we were depressed and introspective - we were just metal as all fuck! :twisted:
I wore black because I liked black. I thought it made me look cool.
I was wrong, of course.
There is no black black enough to make Jeffe look cool
I think any goth kid who actually takes offense to what other people say isn't doing it because that is who they really are. Anyone who is being themselves would not take offense to someone criticizing them, they would just shrug it off.
That is why I think most goths are just attention whores.
Don't goths not like David Lee Roth because they are totally goth?
In all honesty any group with a persecution complex sees the whole world hating them, without realizing of course the entire world hates everyone equally.
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I say let goths do their thing. It is not like they bother anyone, and if some guy with black eyeliner feels like wearing that thing with all the buckles that looks a lot like a dress, who am I to comment? Besides, mentioning that he is the living embodiment of yin and yang, a veritable modern art masterpiece, with the rich black leather in sharp contrast to the sickly,pale, never-seen-the-sun skin fails to accomplish anything of significance, other than some sort of mumbled spell against my ancestors or some such shit.
In retrospect, I think it is fair to say I did not get along with the goth crowd well. It is a good thing those guys are completely harmless.
The main problem I had with goths is that they all acted like their style and clothing was some original expression of their inner being. No, you're just dressing and acting like the people you want to hang out and who accept you. Same as the preppie in the pink polo. At least the preppie is more likely to acknowledge that he dresses that way to fit in.
The main problem I had with goths is that they all acted like their style and clothing was some original expression of their inner being. No, you're just dressing and acting like the people you want to hang out and who accept you. Same as the preppie in the pink polo. At least the preppie is more likely to acknowledge that he dresses that way to fit in.
The preppie doesn't operate in a social circle where the very acknowledgement of "fitting in" is like a scarlet letter. If he did, he would be just as likely to deny it and make various claims to cover himself as the goth. Since people don't so much choose high-school cliques as the cliques choose them, I find it absurd that you're holding one clique above another for such a trivial difference. It's a very high-school approach to the whole thing. And as the goth and the preppie are removed further and further from high-school, the response "because I like it" becomes more and more likely than "because I want to be unique" or "because everyone else is wearing it" for both of them. That response also tends to become more true as you remove members of high-school cliques further and further from high-school.
The main problem I had with goths is that they all acted like their style and clothing was some original expression of their inner being. No, you're just dressing and acting like the people you want to hang out and who accept you. Same as the preppie in the pink polo. At least the preppie is more likely to acknowledge that he dresses that way to fit in.
The preppie doesn't operate in a social circle where the very acknowledgement of "fitting in" is like a scarlet letter. If he did, he would be just as likely to deny it and make various claims to cover himself as the goth. Since people don't so much choose high-school cliques as the cliques choose them, I find it absurd that you're holding one clique above another for such a trivial difference. It's a very high-school approach to the whole thing. And as the goth and the preppie are removed further and further from high-school, the response "because I like it" becomes more and more likely than "because I want to be unique" or "because everyone else is wearing it" for both of them. That response also tends to become more true as you remove members of high-school cliques further and further from high-school.
This is because high school is full of a lot of social bullshit, and if you're really lucky you realize early on that you should tell everyone to fuck right the hell off with their superior bullshit. Sadly this doesn't work anyway because it only works if everyone else think's they're full of it.
Funnily enough, this is a lot like arguing on the internet in terms of victory and loss.
The main problem I had with goths is that they all acted like their style and clothing was some original expression of their inner being. No, you're just dressing and acting like the people you want to hang out and who accept you. Same as the preppie in the pink polo. At least the preppie is more likely to acknowledge that he dresses that way to fit in.
The preppie doesn't operate in a social circle where the very acknowledgement of "fitting in" is like a scarlet letter. If he did, he would be just as likely to deny it and make various claims to cover himself as the goth. Since people don't so much choose high-school cliques as the cliques choose them, I find it absurd that you're holding one clique above another for such a trivial difference. It's a very high-school approach to the whole thing. And as the goth and the preppie are removed further and further from high-school, the response "because I like it" becomes more and more likely than "because I want to be unique" or "because everyone else is wearing it" for both of them. That response also tends to become more true as you remove members of high-school cliques further and further from high-school.
This is because high school is full of a lot of social bullshit, and if you're really lucky you realize early on that you should tell everyone to fuck right the hell off with their superior bullshit. Sadly this doesn't work anyway because it only works if everyone else think's they're full of it.
Funnily enough, this is a lot like arguing on the internet in terms of victory and loss.
But if you really are consistently right like Tube, you can rule the world. But most people aren't.
I hated everything, but, goths were included in everything. Thier music wasn't all that great either. I was more into ska and punk, I probably would have been emo, but it didn't exist so much.
Like, I had the glasses for it. Cloathing was kinda a grungie skater ska fussion thing. And my hair was either really short, or kinda a fro, I would have done the emo hair thing, but it wasn't something that was going to happen.
Actually, funny story. Some goth kids we attempting to start shit with me, and I kinda flipped out on them. Shoved one into a locker, got up in his face, and left a big enough impression, with a rather long string of epitaphs and promises of what I would do to his famliy, that the were kinda scared of me. Like, worried that I'd filp out and do some damnage, and they didn't want to be in my way when it happened.
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A real Emo kid on a beautiful night would say, 'God, I feel horrible that I'm stuck partying tonight while hundreds of thousands of poor people are starving and alone. Im gonna make a ton of drawings tonight for my 'zine and listen to some Boy's Life and Built to Spill on my Ipod, maybe cut myself.'
A goth kid for starters wouldn't be caught dead at a party with people. She'd be writing a poem to Lord Byron (who reall wasn't anything near a gothic poet but whatever) and meeting with her friends later to LARP some Vampire:TM. Interestingly enough she'd probably go to church that week.
Getting them in the same room would unleash a dimension of suck and lame that rivals the power of even the most dedicated GURPS players on the planet, which is actually how I met these two particular people.
Wait, now I think about it, everyone sucks, so it's all fine in the end. :P
I wore black because I liked black. I thought it made me look cool.
I was wrong, of course.
There is no black black enough to make Jeffe look cool
That is why I think most goths are just attention whores.
In all honesty any group with a persecution complex sees the whole world hating them, without realizing of course the entire world hates everyone equally.
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In retrospect, I think it is fair to say I did not get along with the goth crowd well. It is a good thing those guys are completely harmless.
Funnily enough, this is a lot like arguing on the internet in terms of victory and loss.
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I never went through either phase (emo wasn't really AROUND when I was in school).
There are other ways to sneer at the world.
I hated everything, but, goths were included in everything. Thier music wasn't all that great either. I was more into ska and punk, I probably would have been emo, but it didn't exist so much.
Like, I had the glasses for it. Cloathing was kinda a grungie skater ska fussion thing. And my hair was either really short, or kinda a fro, I would have done the emo hair thing, but it wasn't something that was going to happen.
Actually, funny story. Some goth kids we attempting to start shit with me, and I kinda flipped out on them. Shoved one into a locker, got up in his face, and left a big enough impression, with a rather long string of epitaphs and promises of what I would do to his famliy, that the were kinda scared of me. Like, worried that I'd filp out and do some damnage, and they didn't want to be in my way when it happened.