So I'm on the fence about this one. Theres this girl. First time I met her (about three years ago) I was attracted to her, but found out she was one of my friends girlfriends at the time. Since then they've broken up and started to hate each other. He reportedly even said that she doesn't care who she sleeps with.
Flash forward to two weeks ago. I'm hanging out with the friend (who I see usually about 4 - 5 times a year) at this party and she shows up unexpectedly. They have an awkward reunion. Later I start talking to her, we get drunk. I go with her to my other friends place and we end up fooling around, sleeping together... no sex. In passing we kinda make plans to hang out again to watch a movie.
Word gets around to my friends that I hooked up with her, they're a bunch of chatty bastards but I figured they would keep it quiet because even though they do like to chat it up I figured they wouldn't want this friend to find out about it since even though he said he didn't care. I start to feel bad about the situation, but I figure hey... it's really none of their business and the friend who's ex it is hasn't found out.
Last night went to a different party (we're still trying to organize a time that would be good for both of us to hang out) and a friend of that friend showed up and started grilling me about this girl saying that my dick is gonna fall off and it was a drunken hookup thats the reason they haven't told her ex about me yet and shit. Apparently he went through this routine when another one of our friends hooked up with her too.
So now, I feel bad about it because even though he said that he doesn't care... he might. But it seems like this guy is being overprotective of his friend and since the friend doesn't know he's even saying this shit to me. If I put myself in the guys shoes, I don't think I would mind. I'm not looking for a relationship here.
So, should I go through with it? I've never really been in this kinda situation before. I'm not desperate or anything but I did have a good time with her the other night. If not, how should I break it to her? I'd rather not tell her that I don't want to see her again because it would upset her ex bf... thats not really fair to her is it? I'm in a moral dilemma here!
tl;dr - fooled around with a friends ex, he said he doesnt care but he might. Should I cut off contact with the girl?
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Like I said I don't see this guy very often.... but I really do like him, whenever we see each other we end up talking for a good while. I'd say that I'm good enough friends with him that I wouldn't want something like this to put waves in our relationship. So we're thinking that him saying he doesn't care is more of a defense mechanism than an actual truth?
Tell him what you wrote here, that you'd like to see this girl and how he honestly feels about it
But if you're just gonna bootycall this girl...well....yeah the dude might not like that
Basically only pursue her if you're after something real, don't just go for the sex
Yes.
Your relationship with this friend will more than likely not survive a relationship with his ex.
I don't really see this as a moral issue, though. Your friend is no longer with her, you wouldn't be betraying him by going out with her. It's more a practical question of him vs. her.
You don't have to explain yourself and what your plans are, but just let him know you're interested in this girl and you want to see what comes from it. If he has a problem with it, then you need to weigh out how important is your friendship is, as infrequent it is, versus your desire to spend time with his ex.
If you continue, he'll find out eventually. So why don't you cut through the uncertainty and find out if he cares. Call him. If he lies to you when it's staring him in the face then that's his damn problem. If he changes his tune, that's useful information to proceed with.
EDIT: Damn quadruple beated!
Go nuts bucko.
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You have a horrible best friend.
To OP. Like the others have said, talk to the guy. He'll probably tell you to go for it, whether or not he's actually cool with it.
has your dick fallen off yet?
if yes, then cut off contact
if no, then procede
Honestly my gut instinct is to tell you not to bother because how rare and unique is this girl anyway that you can't just go and find someone accompanied by less potential drama, but if she's really that special that you would risk pissing off a friend then I don't see why you can't just talk to the guy and ask him what he thinks.
You don't have to mention that you drunkenly hooked up with her if you don't want to, but it's not a big deal to just ask a dude something. If he flips out over you just asking, then well you can decide how to react accordingly.
The bolded? Yeah, that's a lie. Note, I'm assuming the italicized is supposed to be a "he" and not a "she."
At best, this means he doesn't care if she gets into a drunken eight-way with burly bikers. He's still going to care if she sleeps with you, though. Well, rather, he's going to care if you sleep with her.
Note the tone in this post? Case in point.
She's not his property, and if you really like her then go wild. But just know that he's probably not going to be okay with it, and you'd best assume it will damage or (in the medium- to long-term) end you friendship.
This is a good point
After my girlfriend dumped me in the worst way possible I honestly didn't care that my friend started going out with her
More that he didn't even tell me about it
We are no longer friends
And remember there's tons of girls, and few good friends. (if he is one.)
Yeah this is the line of thinking I'm in right now. And the more I think about it the more I realize that she just isn't worth it. Not even worth asking him about.
So I guess the next question is how exactly to break it to her... I don't want to come off sounding like an asshole but I probably will.
Done.
Heh, just kidding. Really, just tell her you feel it'd hurt him, and you care about him. If she's a bitch, you'll find out reaaaal quick. If not, she'll understand.
That sounds perfect.
You do realise you are avoiding every single chance you get of confrontation.
First you want to fuck this girl and not tell your friend, because hey, he might be upset, but hangon, if I talk to him that might require a confrontation, and these are scary! Better run away!
Now you are stuck with this girl that you now don't want to fuck. Maybe if you hide and never talk to her again you can avoid, that sticky situation too.
Satans..... hints.....
As I stated in the OP I really don't have an intention of a relationship. Why (possibly) hurt my friend when I really don't have this intention? My friends have been telling me that its over between them etc etc, but I don't think he would be 100% cool with it. She's not worth it and definitely is not girlfriend material, she cheated on my friend when they were together (I've come to find out) so I definitely would not feel comfortable with that.
To Blaket - Why cause drama and confrontation in this situation? I had a great time with her that night but I really don't want to be in a relationship with her because of the reasons I mentioned, and I definitely value my friendship with my friend more than one night with this chick. I have no problem letting her down, I just don't want it to turn into a whole drama fest when it really isn't necessary. \
I understand that I've made some questionable decisions up to this point, but I think I just really needed a good perspective on the situation and a bit of time to think it over.
Thing is, asking a friend how he might feel if you hooked up or dated some chick isn't a confrontation, it's just asking a friend how he might feel if you hooked up or dated some chick.
If he's a good friend and a rational individual, his reaction would be something along the lines of "yeah man it's cool you go hit that" or "you know I'm not really comfortable with that, sorry dude" and you respond with a "yeah okay just thought I'd check in with you first, thanks/no problem man" and SCENE.
I understand that you are drama-averse (I am the same), but just talking to a friend about possibly hooking up with or dating an ex is generally not going to turn into an explosive ordeal.
(Doing it without asking would.)
Either way, you made your call and it's a good one, so just drop her nicely and politely, and you're done.
He'd have to be a bit of a dick to get offended at that.
Satans..... hints.....
He deserves to hear from your own mouth, rather than think you have been screwing his ex.
Tell him yourself.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
More importantly, you should talk to the guy about it.
This girl likes you enough to fuck you, why not enjoy that?
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2) This girl got on you when without knowing you very well and obviously has a reputation of being somewhat promiscuous. Is this really someone worth trying to start something with?
Yes because she is this guys property forever, in fact she should run any future dates by her old boyfriend for fear of hurting his feelings. I swear some of you have the idea because a friend dated a woman that makes her some kind of outcast in the dating pool and you have to get your friends permission. Their relationship is over and if she wants to date/fuck/whatever with you then your friend should be adult enough to acknowledge thats what adults do.
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It's okay if everyone's honest and forthright.
One of my friends is currently married to the girl one of his college roommates lost his virginity to. One of my friends from high school and I both had a relationship with the same girl--awkwardly, we both found out we were still hooking up after our respective break-ups during the same time frame and neither of us told the other because we wanted to avoid an awkward conversation that (in retrospect) was waaaay less awkward than the one we actually had to have. The best part was, six months after we both kicked her to the curb for two-timing us, she got knocked up by a third mutual friend that neither of us knew she was even dating.
Did our friendships survive? I was the best man at my high school friend's wedding. The other three guys I mentioned in that story were all groomsmen. The trick is being forthright and honest. My best friend and I never had an issue, but it took us a year or so to forgive the third friend--and really I only forgave him because I saw ending up married to our slutty ex-girlfriend as punishment enough.
Also, how long ago did these two people break up? If it's been more than a year he is past his grace period and she should be fair game.
More than anything else, it falls into the category of, "should you make an informed decision, or an uninformed decision?"
If a friend of mine couldn't take me dating a former girlfriend of his, then he isn't a friend I want. Women are free to make their own decisions.
I mean remove the sex aspect from it, do you ask your friend if you can hang with a buddy of his that he no longer likes?
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I'm sure you would feel differently if it were your ex. Yes it is ok to date friends exes, but depending on the situation you should consider the consequences. If my girlfriend of 4 years left me today and I hear she is dating my friend next week, I will not be okay with that. If the girl I dated for a month and a half did the same thing, I probably wouldn't care.
Why does it matter? You aren't dating her? And she moved on to someone else. If your friend was a good guy wouldn't you think that was a good thing?
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It implies that
1) She was or was thinking about leaving you for this friend
2) He helped caused the breakup for some poon
3) She was wasting your time when you could've been dating other people
4) She was dating you out of convenience (I know girls who HAVE to have a guy on their arms, and'll drop their man the instant something better comes along, sometimes ruining years-long relationships)
That is why it is not okay with a lot of people
It's absolutely her right to see whomever she wants to, I shouldn't even be considered in that decision. But, if that person is my friend and wants to remain my friend, I would expect them to at least consider how it would affect me. If these two had a very serious relationship I would expect the guy's friends to allow some sort of grace period for him to get over it before pouncing on her.