It may be a Defender/Striker in the way the paladin is a Defender/Leader.
Hurrah for grid-breaking.
I'm pretty sure all the Divine classes will lean towards Defender.
They very easily could not do so.
A controller/striker combo would be pretty easy. A divine version of the warlock.
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It's powers are that for a defender. It shuts down and prevents the movement of a single enemy. So it's a defender, a defender that likes to fight by himself.
As expected he's very Leadery. Very. Whoa damn that's some nice healing. I think the Shaman sits about the same level the Cleric does in terms of raw HP returned, but he spreads it around a LOT more via his spirit companion.
The spirit OAs will need to be re-written since its not an Opportunity Attack specifically. It triggers when it leaves the square not when the enemies move and while Opp attacks can't trigger on forced movement, iirc there is no rule that says that Opportunity Actions cannot. That means it triggers when friendlies push or pull enemies out of the area in the same way that you can push someone into a stinking cloud.
Haunting Spirit is really good. Like, encounter power good. Its range is the only thing from keeping it sane.
Blessing of the Seven Winds is a power i would want on a controller... Encounter long AoE Slide 1 as a minor action with no attack roll? Yes please i want that.
IIRC as written, Spirit of the Healing Flood makes your party invulnerable
Lightning Panther Spirit seems to make reference to an ability that doesn't exist. The difficult terrain is not referenced anywhere else and if your spirit creates difficult terrain as it claims, then this leader is probably a better controller than most controllers
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IIRC as written, Spirit of the Healing Flood makes your party invulnerable
While bloodied only. Regeneration 2 is good (especially to everyone in the burst) but it's not going to compensate the tide of damage the party will take in a hard encounter.
I have no idea what Lightning Panther Spirit is referring to as it's not stated anywhere else. Once again, ala Invoker, it's impossible to tell what some of these class features etc actually do.
Edit: Given the low HP of the spirit (10 + 1/2 level) and that I have no idea what its defenses might be (probably the same as the character playing it?) I am unsure about this class. If the spirit has the same HP as the caster, it may be possible to whack a mole it constantly dealing damage to the spirit shaman if he's not careful. This probably means putting the spirit in the front or using it as a "controller" would be a terrible idea, because with such low HP you're going to get damaged and have to put it back a lot. I can already see creatures that are going to absolutely ruin the shamans day.
Less of this shaman blah blah blah and more omfg the wizard summoner in the ampersand column looks excellent!!!! Oh and if you were wanting to know how the summoning keyword works it tells you that too!!
And this part got me very excited!
"Use the Tome of Binding form of Arcane Implement Mastery, since it improves your summoning spells."
I always thought tomes would be a great implement for wizards! Also the fact that summoning wizards secondary stat is CON and when the creature is destroyed they lose a healing surge.... make for an interesting mechanic.
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I have no idea what Lightning Panther Spirit is referring to as it's not stated anywhere else. Once again, ala Invoker, it's impossible to tell what some of these class features etc actually do.
It's referring to difficult terrain. Like, the terrain type. If you stick your spirit on some rubble or something, and use LPS, allies can treat your spirit and adjacent squares as normal terrain. It's situational, but has the ability to be really handy, especially with minor action shifting.
crap! I didn't bring my iPhone charger to work today and I'm having to be judicious with use (hovering just below 50% currently) so no shaman preview for me until tonight. I'm super excited for the class though; my cleric's been running into some rough spots lately, and as an Elf I always figured he'd be better suited to a more Fey form of healing...loss of faith, Primal powers here I come.
Also, somewhat unrelatedly, do we have an Obsidian Portal directory set up for PA forumers yet?
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It's powers are that for a defender. It shuts down and prevents the movement of a single enemy. So it's a defender, a defender that likes to fight by himself.
Isn't that how Paladins work out, aside from their Leader abilities?
That game looks like the culmination of a lot of effort.
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It's powers are that for a defender. It shuts down and prevents the movement of a single enemy. So it's a defender, a defender that likes to fight by himself.
Isn't that how Paladins work out, aside from their Leader abilities?
Not exactly, the Avenger has to literally fight by himself in the middle of nowhere to get benefits from his class features (he can't have allies adjacent). He's quite literally the character who steps forth and challenges the big nasty dragon to a 1 on 1 fight to the death sort of thing.
It's powers are that for a defender. It shuts down and prevents the movement of a single enemy. So it's a defender, a defender that likes to fight by himself.
Isn't that how Paladins work out, aside from their Leader abilities?
Not exactly, the Avenger has to literally fight by himself in the middle of nowhere to get benefits from his class features (he can't have allies adjacent). He's quite literally the character who steps forth and challenges the big nasty dragon to a 1 on 1 fight to the death sort of thing.
He can have allies adjacent, just not other enemies. And he might be defender-ish, but I'm pretty sure he's still a striker, with the double rolls on attacks and extra damage if the enemy moves away. Somebody on ENworld ran the numbers and with a decently-sized die, his average at-will damage isn't much lower than Twin Strike.
EDIT: But his "Oath" doesn't override defender marks, so he's completely compatible with paladins and the like.
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I am almost going to kill maptools at this stage. There is utterly no logical reason why it doesn't work.
And yet it doesn't.
Ports are forwarded correctly.
I have the correct static IP now (I literally forced it).
Nothing at all is different from last time.
Except it doesn't fucking work.
It.
Is.
Driving.
Me.
Insane.
Edit: WAIT! Despair at being defeated may have been premature!
Edit2: I HAVE TURNED DEFEAT INTO VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111
So help me God if anyone touches this router I will kill them.
MapTools is going to be Microsofted by DDI's Apple!
It's going to... retain an 90% market share? Be overwhelmingly used by corporations? Have snarky commercials anthropormorphizing it and DDI? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
I think the 360 and the Phantom may be a better comparison, honestly-- failure rate vs. possible vaporware.
I have a quick question - was there any ever clarification posted on how Multiclassing at Paragon level was dealt with? The main rules book is very sketchy on it, and there seem to be a lot of mistakes. Like not being able to use some powers that you get depending on the second class you've taken - Multiclass Warlocks not getting the Curse or the +damage ability limiting the powers that are useful to them, and the benefit of a Pact, for example, while other Strikers DO get the +damage ability.
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I have a quick question - was there any ever clarification posted on how Multiclassing at Paragon level was dealt with? The main rules book is very sketchy on it, and there seem to be a lot of mistakes. Like not being able to use some powers that you get depending on the second class you've taken - Multiclass Warlocks not getting the Curse or the +damage ability limiting the powers that are useful to them, and the benefit of a Pact, for example, while other Strikers DO get the +damage ability.
I am almost entirely sure we'll see a multiclass feat that grants Warlock Curse 1/day in Arcane Power instead of Eldritch Blast.
That said, some multiclass options are a bit less awesome than others. With Ranger multiclass, for example, players couldn't meet the requirements for any Ranger prestige paths pre-MP.
I have a quick question - was there any ever clarification posted on how Multiclassing at Paragon level was dealt with? The main rules book is very sketchy on it, and there seem to be a lot of mistakes. Like not being able to use some powers that you get depending on the second class you've taken - Multiclass Warlocks not getting the Curse or the +damage ability limiting the powers that are useful to them, and the benefit of a Pact, for example, while other Strikers DO get the +damage ability.
I am almost entirely sure we'll see a multiclass feat that grants Warlock Curse 1/day in Arcane Power instead of Eldritch Blast.
That said, some multiclass options are a bit less awesome than others. With Ranger multiclass, for example, players couldn't meet the requirements for any Ranger prestige paths pre-MP.
Because they can't take the fighting styles, right.
You can take Warlock Prestige Classes as a Multiclass Warlock, but you can't -do- anything with them, because you lack the Curse. I'm trying to work out houserulings with my DM (as in, if you Paragon Warlock rather than either set of prestige classes - the true Multiclass thing I'm talking about - you get some of the base Warlock powers in place for the base Paragon Path powers, like Warlock Curses, for example).
I have a quick question - was there any ever clarification posted on how Multiclassing at Paragon level was dealt with? The main rules book is very sketchy on it, and there seem to be a lot of mistakes. Like not being able to use some powers that you get depending on the second class you've taken - Multiclass Warlocks not getting the Curse or the +damage ability limiting the powers that are useful to them, and the benefit of a Pact, for example, while other Strikers DO get the +damage ability.
I am almost entirely sure we'll see a multiclass feat that grants Warlock Curse 1/day in Arcane Power instead of Eldritch Blast.
That said, some multiclass options are a bit less awesome than others. With Ranger multiclass, for example, players couldn't meet the requirements for any Ranger prestige paths pre-MP.
I'd also expect some feats like the ones in MP that give out class abilities, the curses amongst them.
And hopefully you'll be able to pick those up along with a PP, unlike the feats in MP that require Paragon Multiclassing. Being locked out of your Paragon Path abilities because you can't curse hurts.
Damn. Are the previews really coming that fast and furious (Avenger and Druid now)?
I may finally have to sign up for DDI after putting it off this long. I'm a preview whore, and the Character Builder is looking pretty awesome now that I'm starting a couple new campaigns.
Damn. Are the previews really coming that fast and furious (Avenger and Druid now)?
I may finally have to sign up for DDI after putting it off this long. I'm a preview whore, and the Character Builder is looking pretty awesome now that I'm starting a couple new campaigns.
Well, you'll only have to wait a month now for PHBII, so subscribing for the previews alone probably isn't the best idea (and the Avenger hasn't even been previewed, we know about it from the DDXP sheets). The Character builder is pretty darn slick, though, and I love the Compendium.
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I was really impressed with the character builder beta, and when Dragon and Dungeon were free for three or four months, I gobbled up the articles. The subscription is cheap, I may pick it up for myself come Summer.
Is there any way to export character builder files so that they can be saved and posted elsewhere, or do they just print?
You can take the save files and open them on anyone's character builder (had to send a friend's file to him because he forgot what feats he had) but I'm pretty sure they're a unique filetype.
Alternatively, you could probably (I havent tried it) print your character sheets using a Print-to-file application like cutePDF (It's a program that shows up as a printing device that'll just save whatever you're printing as a pdf when you send it there, instead of actually printing a hard copy. it's freeware. we use it at my work, so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's legit) and then it'd be in a universally viewable format.
Damn. Are the previews really coming that fast and furious (Avenger and Druid now)?
I may finally have to sign up for DDI after putting it off this long. I'm a preview whore, and the Character Builder is looking pretty awesome now that I'm starting a couple new campaigns.
Gotta say, that Character Builder is pretty dang convenient.
Is there any way to export character builder files so that they can be saved and posted elsewhere, or do they just print?
You can take the save files and open them on anyone's character builder (had to send a friend's file to him because he forgot what feats he had) but I'm pretty sure they're a unique filetype.
Alternatively, you could probably (I havent tried it) print your character sheets using a Print-to-file application like cutePDF (It's a program that shows up as a printing device that'll just save whatever you're printing as a pdf when you send it there, instead of actually printing a hard copy. it's freeware. we use it at my work, so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's legit) and then it'd be in a universally viewable format.
Ok, thanks. I'm familiar with print-to-file programs, but not having the creator I wasn't sure how well they worked for this sort of thing.
We have a campaign wiki to keep track of everything and do recaps and such. Being able to upload my character files to it would be great.
Yeah like I said, I havent tried it, but I have printed out hard copies of a few character sheets and there wasn't anything goofy on them (watermarks, etc.) so I would think that a print-to-file would work, no problema.
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Alternatively, you could probably (I havent tried it) print your character sheets using a Print-to-file application like cutePDF (It's a program that shows up as a printing device that'll just save whatever you're printing as a pdf when you send it there, instead of actually printing a hard copy. it's freeware. we use it at my work, so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's legit) and then it'd be in a universally viewable format.
Quick note on this; the PDF file format is now an ISO standard for document interchange and as such the specifications for the format are publicly available from the ISO themselves (for a modest fee of course), so anyone can buy a copy and create software that either produces, reads or otherwise manipulates PDFs. This does also mean that Adobe no longer holds the format by the balls and cant' make random changes just to piss of their competitors any more.
Alternatively, you could probably (I havent tried it) print your character sheets using a Print-to-file application like cutePDF (It's a program that shows up as a printing device that'll just save whatever you're printing as a pdf when you send it there, instead of actually printing a hard copy. it's freeware. we use it at my work, so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's legit) and then it'd be in a universally viewable format.
Quick note on this; the PDF file format is now an ISO standard for document interchange and as such the specifications for the format are publicly available from the ISO themselves (for a modest fee of course), so anyone can buy a copy and create software that either produces, reads or otherwise manipulates PDFs. This does also mean that Adobe no longer holds the format by the balls and cant' make random changes just to piss of their competitors any more.
I just meant that it's not likely to secretly rape your computer (y'know, rear-entry style).
So, I posed this question on the official boards but the response hasn't been overwhelming;
What's the best (in your opinion) manifestation for a Genesai Taclord? I'm going with Extra Manifestation for story reasons, but I'm curious as to what others think on this.
I'm leaning towards Earth and Water for their powers and save bonuses. I'd kind of like one of the more aggressive ones for the same story reasons cited above, though.
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They very easily could not do so.
A controller/striker combo would be pretty easy. A divine version of the warlock.
As expected he's very Leadery. Very. Whoa damn that's some nice healing. I think the Shaman sits about the same level the Cleric does in terms of raw HP returned, but he spreads it around a LOT more via his spirit companion.
Haunting Spirit is really good. Like, encounter power good. Its range is the only thing from keeping it sane.
Blessing of the Seven Winds is a power i would want on a controller... Encounter long AoE Slide 1 as a minor action with no attack roll? Yes please i want that.
IIRC as written, Spirit of the Healing Flood makes your party invulnerable
Lightning Panther Spirit seems to make reference to an ability that doesn't exist. The difficult terrain is not referenced anywhere else and if your spirit creates difficult terrain as it claims, then this leader is probably a better controller than most controllers
While bloodied only. Regeneration 2 is good (especially to everyone in the burst) but it's not going to compensate the tide of damage the party will take in a hard encounter.
I have no idea what Lightning Panther Spirit is referring to as it's not stated anywhere else. Once again, ala Invoker, it's impossible to tell what some of these class features etc actually do.
Edit: Given the low HP of the spirit (10 + 1/2 level) and that I have no idea what its defenses might be (probably the same as the character playing it?) I am unsure about this class. If the spirit has the same HP as the caster, it may be possible to whack a mole it constantly dealing damage to the spirit shaman if he's not careful. This probably means putting the spirit in the front or using it as a "controller" would be a terrible idea, because with such low HP you're going to get damaged and have to put it back a lot. I can already see creatures that are going to absolutely ruin the shamans day.
Less of this shaman blah blah blah and more omfg the wizard summoner in the ampersand column looks excellent!!!! Oh and if you were wanting to know how the summoning keyword works it tells you that too!!
And this part got me very excited!
"Use the Tome of Binding form of Arcane Implement Mastery, since it improves your summoning spells."
I always thought tomes would be a great implement for wizards! Also the fact that summoning wizards secondary stat is CON and when the creature is destroyed they lose a healing surge.... make for an interesting mechanic.
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One of the Druid setups is stated to act more like a Controller/Striker, while the other is more like a Controller/Leader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwxtNOkGLBU&NR=1
"But if we don't kill nature, how will we build our houses?"
Also, somewhat unrelatedly, do we have an Obsidian Portal directory set up for PA forumers yet?
That was pretty hilarious.
Isn't that how Paladins work out, aside from their Leader abilities?
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No way that was real; there were girls.
The one time I went LARPing there were girls. The DM wore a cup because of her enthusiasm.
Not exactly, the Avenger has to literally fight by himself in the middle of nowhere to get benefits from his class features (he can't have allies adjacent). He's quite literally the character who steps forth and challenges the big nasty dragon to a 1 on 1 fight to the death sort of thing.
Oh wait.
EDIT: But his "Oath" doesn't override defender marks, so he's completely compatible with paladins and the like.
And yet it doesn't.
Ports are forwarded correctly.
I have the correct static IP now (I literally forced it).
Nothing at all is different from last time.
Except it doesn't fucking work.
It.
Is.
Driving.
Me.
Insane.
Edit: WAIT! Despair at being defeated may have been premature!
Edit2: I HAVE TURNED DEFEAT INTO VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111
So help me God if anyone touches this router I will kill them.
That said, some multiclass options are a bit less awesome than others. With Ranger multiclass, for example, players couldn't meet the requirements for any Ranger prestige paths pre-MP.
Because they can't take the fighting styles, right.
You can take Warlock Prestige Classes as a Multiclass Warlock, but you can't -do- anything with them, because you lack the Curse. I'm trying to work out houserulings with my DM (as in, if you Paragon Warlock rather than either set of prestige classes - the true Multiclass thing I'm talking about - you get some of the base Warlock powers in place for the base Paragon Path powers, like Warlock Curses, for example).
And hopefully you'll be able to pick those up along with a PP, unlike the feats in MP that require Paragon Multiclassing. Being locked out of your Paragon Path abilities because you can't curse hurts.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I may finally have to sign up for DDI after putting it off this long. I'm a preview whore, and the Character Builder is looking pretty awesome now that I'm starting a couple new campaigns.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
You can take the save files and open them on anyone's character builder (had to send a friend's file to him because he forgot what feats he had) but I'm pretty sure they're a unique filetype.
Alternatively, you could probably (I havent tried it) print your character sheets using a Print-to-file application like cutePDF (It's a program that shows up as a printing device that'll just save whatever you're printing as a pdf when you send it there, instead of actually printing a hard copy. it's freeware. we use it at my work, so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's legit) and then it'd be in a universally viewable format.
Gotta say, that Character Builder is pretty dang convenient.
We have a campaign wiki to keep track of everything and do recaps and such. Being able to upload my character files to it would be great.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Quick note on this; the PDF file format is now an ISO standard for document interchange and as such the specifications for the format are publicly available from the ISO themselves (for a modest fee of course), so anyone can buy a copy and create software that either produces, reads or otherwise manipulates PDFs. This does also mean that Adobe no longer holds the format by the balls and cant' make random changes just to piss of their competitors any more.
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I just meant that it's not likely to secretly rape your computer (y'know, rear-entry style).
But that's also very good news.
What's the best (in your opinion) manifestation for a Genesai Taclord? I'm going with Extra Manifestation for story reasons, but I'm curious as to what others think on this.
I'm leaning towards Earth and Water for their powers and save bonuses. I'd kind of like one of the more aggressive ones for the same story reasons cited above, though.
Anybody care to make a case for Fire or Storm?
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.