Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
fuck guys, how about we just help poor and impoverished people no matter where the fuck they're from
they're still goddamned people
In the United States you either put yourself into poverty or you have mental handicaps. There are so many resources out there that if you are a good natured human being, you will be taken care of.
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Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
which means every dude has aborted about sixty million babies in their lifetimes
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
My problem with the whole "Her body her choice thing" is damn't that is a mans child too. If I knocked a girl up and she went and got an abortion without my consent I would be livid. Absolutely livid.
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
My problem with the whole "Her body her choice thing" is damn't that is a mans child too. If I knocked a girl up and she went and got an abortion without my consent I would be livid. Absolutely livid.
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edited February 2009
I'm actually with you on that one, Jigs, but only to an extent
I generally think it's unfair for a girl to decide what to do with a pregnancy without consulting the father, first
but the reason people will default to the girl's choice is because that baby has to grow in HER body and be sustained by HER body, and that is taxing on any woman, so forcing a woman to go through with that when she doesn't want to is going to be a very tough sell
I support the idea that the men should play a part in the decision-making, but I also respect that women do get to make the final call here
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
My problem with the whole "Her body her choice thing" is damn't that is a mans child too. If I knocked a girl up and she went and got an abortion without my consent I would be livid. Absolutely livid.
Come talk to me when you figure out how to carry the baby to term yourself. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
My problem with the whole "Her body her choice thing" is damn't that is a mans child too. If I knocked a girl up and she went and got an abortion without my consent I would be livid. Absolutely livid.
No it's not.
Does she need to call you to wipe her arse too?
What? Seriously how does wiping ass have anything to do with this?
Might as well say there is no daddies because its only mommies child.
fuck guys, how about we just help poor and impoverished people no matter where the fuck they're from
they're still goddamned people
In the United States you either put yourself into poverty or you have mental handicaps. There are so many resources out there that if you are a good natured human being, you will be taken care of.
yeah probably. don't really see what mental handicaps have to do with it though
and it doesn't really even go against what i was saying either
Also maximum zero, if that's your definition, the heart beat isn't developed until the 12th week of pregnancy, it's therefore cool to kill it before then right?
I'm pretty sure that fits with the United States abortion laws.
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
My problem with the whole "Her body her choice thing" is damn't that is a mans child too. If I knocked a girl up and she went and got an abortion without my consent I would be livid. Absolutely livid.
No it's not.
Does she need to call you to wipe her arse too?
This is the absolute stupidest thing I have read on the internet.
It's her body, and the father has absolutely no choice in the matter? In the child that they have created?
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edited February 2009
Look. Don't get me wrong, I would like to be able to talk it out.
But at the end of the day. There are two people that say what they want to do, there is a good chance we may not agree on what to do. There needs to be a deciding vote and out of the two people involved it's fairer to give the deciding vote to the person actually carrying the baby.
Asking 'permission' to have an abortion is damm well insulting.
I mean obviously the woman is going to be doing more if the baby is carried to term. That I recognise, and am fine with and everything. But I still think the woman should let the guy know about what's going on with the kid, provided he's stable.
fuck guys, how about we just help poor and impoverished people no matter where the fuck they're from
they're still goddamned people
In the United States you either put yourself into poverty or you have mental handicaps. There are so many resources out there that if you are a good natured human being, you will be taken care of.
yeah probably. don't really see what mental handicaps have to do with it though
and it doesn't really even go against what i was saying either
It was partly directed to Einhindsafsdf saying why are we giving money to other countries, we need to take care of our own. I was just using your quote to piggy back off of supporting others, not just Americans.
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I mean obviously the woman is going to be doing more if the baby is carried to term. That I recognise, and am fine with and everything. But I still think the woman should let the guy know about what's going on with the kid, provided he's stable.
I mean obviously the woman is going to be doing more if the baby is carried to term. That I recognise, and am fine with and everything. But I still think the woman should let the guy know about what's going on with the kid, provided he's stable.
Yes but Jigrah explicitly said if she got an abortion without his consent.
I mean obviously the woman is going to be doing more if the baby is carried to term. That I recognise, and am fine with and everything. But I still think the woman should let the guy know about what's going on with the kid, provided he's stable.
I have no objection to this.
And I don't even mean 'asking permission', like Blake said. I mean like if the girl said 'I'm going to keep the baby' or 'I'm getting an abortion'.
It's her body, and the father has absolutely no choice in the matter? In the child that they have created?
Again, he's not the one who has to carry it.
There isn't anything I can do about that though, it's not like I have a fuckin choice in that matter.
Exactly. You can't carry it, so it's not your choice.
It's not for you, as it were.
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edited February 2009
Jigs, let's break it down with an example, okay?
let's say you want the baby and the girl doesn't, but you convince the girl to keep it
so she has to carry this baby to term for 9 to 10 months, putting her body through hormonal hell and physical duress for the duration
then she actually has to go through labor, and well we all know the pains and complications thus associated
then she has to risk post-partum depression and the recovery of her body back to its original state prior to the pregnancy
all for a baby she doesn't even want? which means she carries it to term, gives it to you, and now has to deal with separation and severe guilt issues
you could argue that if she just WANTED the child she wouldn't have those separation or guilt issues, but why should she want the child if she felt she wasn't ready in the first place? and even if she does stick around, chances of her resentment of the child will be extremely high
this is all assuming the unwanted pregnancy even manages to make it to term, as stress and depression is a proven factor in influencing a healthy pregnancy
now, flip the situation around... say you don't want it and she does... what now?
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only asking because i know people would say this in earnest
but i consider this a more enlightened place
I'm just very much the idea of "Her body her choice" theory I mean you can make arguments against the heartbeat argument saying then if it's now magically a person it can now support itself, a fetus at 12 weeks however is almost always going to die.
Personally I believe the in or out theory, it's not a person until it's out of the belly.
I mean what is a heat beat exactly anyway? the fetus was sustaining itself before it developed a heart beat as well, you can go all the way back and use the entire sperm argument that they were alive when they were swimming round in your dick too.
Satans..... hints.....
we shall overcome... we shall overcome... ABORTION
what the hell
HEATHENS I SAY
In the United States you either put yourself into poverty or you have mental handicaps. There are so many resources out there that if you are a good natured human being, you will be taken care of.
which means every dude has aborted about sixty million babies in their lifetimes
My problem with the whole "Her body her choice thing" is damn't that is a mans child too. If I knocked a girl up and she went and got an abortion without my consent I would be livid. Absolutely livid.
Satans..... hints.....
No it's not.
Does she need to call you to wipe her arse too?
Satans..... hints.....
Satans..... hints.....
I generally think it's unfair for a girl to decide what to do with a pregnancy without consulting the father, first
but the reason people will default to the girl's choice is because that baby has to grow in HER body and be sustained by HER body, and that is taxing on any woman, so forcing a woman to go through with that when she doesn't want to is going to be a very tough sell
I support the idea that the men should play a part in the decision-making, but I also respect that women do get to make the final call here
Would you be livid if you wanted an abortion and she didn't?
Satans..... hints.....
it ought to be an issue of trust, not an issue of the actual abortion
What? Seriously how does wiping ass have anything to do with this?
Might as well say there is no daddies because its only mommies child.
yeah probably. don't really see what mental handicaps have to do with it though
and it doesn't really even go against what i was saying either
Depends on what happens with the child, her taking care of it/adoption that sort of thing.
This is the absolute stupidest thing I have read on the internet.
It's her body, and the father has absolutely no choice in the matter? In the child that they have created?
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But at the end of the day. There are two people that say what they want to do, there is a good chance we may not agree on what to do. There needs to be a deciding vote and out of the two people involved it's fairer to give the deciding vote to the person actually carrying the baby.
Asking 'permission' to have an abortion is damm well insulting.
Satans..... hints.....
Whoa man, that's kind of fucked up
Even those that aren't really brits but just have citizenship.
It was partly directed to Einhindsafsdf saying why are we giving money to other countries, we need to take care of our own. I was just using your quote to piggy back off of supporting others, not just Americans.
There isn't anything I can do about that though, it's not like I have a fuckin choice in that matter.
Yes but Jigrah explicitly said if she got an abortion without his consent.
This is what I have issue with.
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And I don't even mean 'asking permission', like Blake said. I mean like if the girl said 'I'm going to keep the baby' or 'I'm getting an abortion'.
least you can fucking do is carry a kid for nine months.
It's not for you, as it were.
let's say you want the baby and the girl doesn't, but you convince the girl to keep it
so she has to carry this baby to term for 9 to 10 months, putting her body through hormonal hell and physical duress for the duration
then she actually has to go through labor, and well we all know the pains and complications thus associated
then she has to risk post-partum depression and the recovery of her body back to its original state prior to the pregnancy
all for a baby she doesn't even want? which means she carries it to term, gives it to you, and now has to deal with separation and severe guilt issues
you could argue that if she just WANTED the child she wouldn't have those separation or guilt issues, but why should she want the child if she felt she wasn't ready in the first place? and even if she does stick around, chances of her resentment of the child will be extremely high
this is all assuming the unwanted pregnancy even manages to make it to term, as stress and depression is a proven factor in influencing a healthy pregnancy
now, flip the situation around... say you don't want it and she does... what now?