WWH was going to be a huge impact event with ramifications felt throughout the Marvel Universe. It was originally posted on Tom Brevourts blog, but I reformatted and reposted it (with credit to Tom on my blog with proper bolding/titles/pullquotes for easier reading if you want to view it here.
Some quotes from the original outline:
Thor leaves his stronghold in the Oklahoma desert, heads towards the Hulk. Korg is the one to meet him. Old adversaries. Korg tells Thor that the Hulk is right. Thor should stand down. Thor knocks him aside. The Hulk comes out. Great clash over the desert. Epic, earth-shattering battle. Ends with the Hulk making Thor drop his hammer -- and Korg picks it up. Korg actually picks up the Hulk’s hammer -- he’s worthy. Thor’s blown away by this. He and the Hulk have a moment. Thor withdraws, says he doesn’t understand this all. But he won’t fight these heroes.
Hulk descends upon the city. Sentry rises to meet him, trying to claim old friendship. The Spikes surround the Sentry. Hold him. And then the Hulk balls up his great fist and smashes -- and breaks every bone in the Sentry’s body. Heroes are shocked -- they’ve never seen the Hulk so powerful.
Hulk has won. He could take over the whole planet if he chooses. And now we get a glimpse of what he would do, how he would rule. And, amazingly enough, it would be a utopia. A monarchy, to be sure, but with a genuinely just ruler. And here this new incarnation of the Hulk comes to full bloom -- he’s the Righteous Hulk. Unfathomable physical power combined with incredible heart and vision. It’s the opposite of the Maestro. Something we’ve never seen.
So, ya, editorial made it a slugfest so they could move on to Secret invasion with little hassle.
edit: fuck me, why did i drag this up. stupid search and not checkign the dates on others posts. sorry.
WWH was going to be a huge impact event with ramifications felt throughout the Marvel Universe. It was originally posted on Tom Brevourts blog, but I reformatted and reposted it (with credit to Tom on my blog with proper bolding/titles/pullquotes for easier reading if you want to view it here.
Some quotes from the original outline:
Thor leaves his stronghold in the Oklahoma desert, heads towards the Hulk. Korg is the one to meet him. Old adversaries. Korg tells Thor that the Hulk is right. Thor should stand down. Thor knocks him aside. The Hulk comes out. Great clash over the desert. Epic, earth-shattering battle. Ends with the Hulk making Thor drop his hammer -- and Korg picks it up. Korg actually picks up the Hulk’s hammer -- he’s worthy. Thor’s blown away by this. He and the Hulk have a moment. Thor withdraws, says he doesn’t understand this all. But he won’t fight these heroes.
Hulk descends upon the city. Sentry rises to meet him, trying to claim old friendship. The Spikes surround the Sentry. Hold him. And then the Hulk balls up his great fist and smashes -- and breaks every bone in the Sentry’s body. Heroes are shocked -- they’ve never seen the Hulk so powerful.
Hulk has won. He could take over the whole planet if he chooses. And now we get a glimpse of what he would do, how he would rule. And, amazingly enough, it would be a utopia. A monarchy, to be sure, but with a genuinely just ruler. And here this new incarnation of the Hulk comes to full bloom -- he’s the Righteous Hulk. Unfathomable physical power combined with incredible heart and vision. It’s the opposite of the Maestro. Something we’ve never seen.
So, ya, editorial made it a slugfest so they could move on to Secret invasion with little hassle.
edit: fuck me, why did i drag this up. stupid search and not checkign the dates on others posts. sorry.
Fuck that sounds awesome. Goddamnit Marvel (Also goddamnit Loeb, the WWH incarnation was really freaking cool, they could have found some other way to depower him if that was the issue, but nooo back to savage Hulk).
I can see why they changed the ending though. Because while that makes for a cool alternate universe kind of tale, it doesn't work with a shared universe. Doesn't mean they went the right direction with the ending they ended up using, by any means, but I can understand why they made the change.
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I can see why they changed the ending though. Because while that makes for a cool alternate universe kind of tale, it doesn't work with a shared universe. Doesn't mean they went the right direction with the ending they ended up using, by any means, but I can understand why they made the change.
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Reed is a Comic Book Super Genius, but it's a double-edged sword. He couldn't kill the Hulk no matter how hard he tried because no one wants to tell that story.
Also, yeah. A year of Hulk as Conan could be fine, maybe a few more, but it would get kind of old. Hulk should have stayed intelligent when he got back, though. That "stupid laser" thing was asinine. It would have been interesting to have an intelligent Hulk who wasn't Strong Banner. Or you know, an incredibly silly mobster parody.
Banner transforming into a Hulk who's smarter than he is might make for an interesting story if they had an adversarial Jekyll/Hyde kind of relationship.
I mean, the whole reason he got smarter in the first place was his body desperatly trying to cope with his de-powered state after being dragged to Saakar.
He's fully healed, it's been a long time since then, and he did have one supercharged omnipotent rage out at the end of WWH that could have possibly overloaded War Hulk's persona.
But instead of explaining this they just make him Dumb Hulk and pretend War Hulk never happend.
I kind of agree, I'm more annoyed at their lack of interest in addressing what happened between the end of WWH and his next appearance than the fact that he's back to Savage Hulk.
Reed is a Comic Book Super Genius, but it's a double-edged sword. He couldn't kill the Hulk no matter how hard he tried because no one wants to tell that story.
Also, yeah. A year of Hulk as Conan could be fine, maybe a few more, but it would get kind of old. Hulk should have stayed intelligent when he got back, though. That "stupid laser" thing was asinine. It would have been interesting to have an intelligent Hulk who wasn't Strong Banner. Or you know, an incredibly silly mobster parody.
I expected Hulk to form his own nation on Earth like Wakanda with the Warbound. Exploring him readjusting to humanity and having to learn to work with them to save the world plus facing his rogues gallery witht he warbound would be supremely interesting over the boring, mindless hulk. Especially the one drawn like the guy in the belltower who wants to bang Esmerelda.
If i recall the Hulk was backed up by AIM, they had a kick arse submarine. But ultimately abused their alliance with Hulk when they started abducting people in order to manufacture a cyborg army with which battle Magneto.
I'd love to know if its just one Aboriginal tribe that takes in all the loose superhero riffraff floating around on Australia or what-not.
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I didn't want to spoiler the whole story though. Too bad Hulk couldn't meet up with Constantine.
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I mean, the whole reason he got smarter in the first place was his body desperatly trying to cope with his de-powered state after being dragged to Saakar.
He's fully healed, it's been a long time since then, and he did have one supercharged omnipotent rage out at the end of WWH that could have possibly overloaded War Hulk's persona.
But instead of explaining this they just make him Dumb Hulk and pretend War Hulk never happend.
Which is silly.
once again, why i completely ignore the concept of 'continuity' or 'canon'
I mean, the whole reason he got smarter in the first place was his body desperatly trying to cope with his de-powered state after being dragged to Saakar.
He's fully healed, it's been a long time since then, and he did have one supercharged omnipotent rage out at the end of WWH that could have possibly overloaded War Hulk's persona.
But instead of explaining this they just make him Dumb Hulk and pretend War Hulk never happend.
Which is silly.
once again, why i completely ignore the concept of 'continuity' or 'canon'
Because you're letting Loeb get away with garbage writing?
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Even if you ignore the concept of continuity, it doesn't make it go away. A happened before C, so there should be some explanation as to where B lands in the mix. It's common sense.
Even if you ignore the concept of continuity, it doesn't make it go away. A happened before C, so there should be some explanation as to where B lands in the mix. It's common sense.
Of course something happened in between, but do you really need it all spelled out for you? I'm content in knowing the character is in good hands with Dan Slott, be it smart Hulk or retard Hulk.
Even if you ignore the concept of continuity, it doesn't make it go away. A happened before C, so there should be some explanation as to where B lands in the mix. It's common sense.
I see the Marvel/DC comic characters as more modern myths and legends. I don't think one story has to acknowledge another any more than the writer feels is necessary for his take on the character. But, I also don't read it every month or read every storyline for a character, so I could see if I did being perturbed by the ignoring of something that happened less than 12 issues or whatever ago.
Honestly if I could un-read World War Hulk, I would because it tainted my view of Planet Hulk. so I can definitely understand where you're coming from with it.
I dunno, its just the ending that taints Planet Hulk, the rest of WWH was pretty decent. It would've been pretty interesting if the heroes had just fucked up and the generator exploded and it was their fault. Its not like it'd be the first time they fucked over another world for their own, only this time it was unintentional.
Ugh, yes. The whole Miek and The Brood Queen betraying him thing just came off as an easy way to keep blood off the hands of characters that would ever be seen again. Plus, I mean "Oh man I'm totally in good with the demi-god king of a sprawling world-wide empire, how should I consolidate my positi- oh of course! By blowing up the planet and going to a different world full of people like him who'll try to kill me and all my children!"
Brood Queen didn't have anything to do with it did she?
Definately not. Brood slashed open one of Miek's eyes after she found out.
Miek became insanely nihilistic after the last queen of his people died. Now he's obsessed with 'everything ending so the next thing can come.' He wants to wipe out everything that currently is so something new and better can happen.
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I hate that they are actually trying to call it "Rulk" now but whatever, its still a fun book.
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Some quotes from the original outline:
So, ya, editorial made it a slugfest so they could move on to Secret invasion with little hassle.
edit: fuck me, why did i drag this up. stupid search and not checkign the dates on others posts. sorry.
Fuck that sounds awesome. Goddamnit Marvel (Also goddamnit Loeb, the WWH incarnation was really freaking cool, they could have found some other way to depower him if that was the issue, but nooo back to savage Hulk).
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Reed is the biggest fucking failure in comic history. Worse than Pym because Pym doesn't try that much.
Cool. Thanks for your oppinion.
Reed is a Comic Book Super Genius, but it's a double-edged sword. He couldn't kill the Hulk no matter how hard he tried because no one wants to tell that story.
Also, yeah. A year of Hulk as Conan could be fine, maybe a few more, but it would get kind of old. Hulk should have stayed intelligent when he got back, though. That "stupid laser" thing was asinine. It would have been interesting to have an intelligent Hulk who wasn't Strong Banner. Or you know, an incredibly silly mobster parody.
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I mean, the whole reason he got smarter in the first place was his body desperatly trying to cope with his de-powered state after being dragged to Saakar.
He's fully healed, it's been a long time since then, and he did have one supercharged omnipotent rage out at the end of WWH that could have possibly overloaded War Hulk's persona.
But instead of explaining this they just make him Dumb Hulk and pretend War Hulk never happend.
Which is silly.
Joe Fixit was awesome.
It was a pretty decent House of M story iirc.
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I'd love to know if its just one Aboriginal tribe that takes in all the loose superhero riffraff floating around on Australia or what-not.
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once again, why i completely ignore the concept of 'continuity' or 'canon'
Because you're letting Loeb get away with garbage writing?
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I see the Marvel/DC comic characters as more modern myths and legends. I don't think one story has to acknowledge another any more than the writer feels is necessary for his take on the character. But, I also don't read it every month or read every storyline for a character, so I could see if I did being perturbed by the ignoring of something that happened less than 12 issues or whatever ago.
Honestly if I could un-read World War Hulk, I would because it tainted my view of Planet Hulk. so I can definitely understand where you're coming from with it.
And Miek didn't blow the planet up himself, he just didn't tell anyone about the bomb he saw eing put in by the Red King/Emperor's loyalists.
Not saying Miek wasn't a cockwipe, but I mean his head was fairly fucked by the end of Planet Hulk.
Definately not. Brood slashed open one of Miek's eyes after she found out.
Miek became insanely nihilistic after the last queen of his people died. Now he's obsessed with 'everything ending so the next thing can come.' He wants to wipe out everything that currently is so something new and better can happen.