There are no "white" movies because to imply that your movie is targeting a "white" audience would get the racism train brought down on your studio faster than you could say "Watermelon"
One could argue that every movie targets white audiences unless otherwise implied or stated
But that's dumb because you could just arbitrarily say that across the board with any majority group even if the marketing team and the production team made no active effort. I mean that's like saying "Sophocles wrote with a distinct Greek bias." Yeah, of course he did, because he was Greek. That doesn't make his entire body of work rabidly nationalistic/ethnocentric.
No but what I'm saying is whites aren't exactly suffering for a lack of movies targeted at them.
But you're asserting without basis that these movies are targeted at whites. What if they're just targeted at "the moviegoing populace in general?" Maybe that population happens to be white, Christian, 50/50 split on gender, and has whatever distribution among ages and income levels? Just targeting "the vast body of customers in general" does not count as "specifically targeting whites."
I'm not saying targeted at whites to the exclusion of other groups.
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When we actually meet the sentient mantis-people and some people will inevitably be prejudiced against them, I think the slur used against them should be "Zorak." As in, "those damned Zoraks are taking my jobs!"
Or maybe we'll all use it. I don't know; they could be evil.
"no one was vulgar or rude or loud, everyone ate with forks and napkins, no one was shouting 'mother fucker get me some iced tea'"
Those are black stereotypes?
vulgarity, rudeness, and use of the word motherfucker?
Yes, those are negative stereotypes. Do I subscribe to them? No, but I don't have to subscribe to a stereotype to know it exists.
Do you subscribe to the stereotype that women are less intelligent than men? If not, do you deny that it is a stereotype that exists, and is harmful to women when propagated and internalized?
There are no "white" movies because to imply that your movie is targeting a "white" audience would get the racism train brought down on your studio faster than you could say "Watermelon"
One could argue that every movie targets white audiences unless otherwise implied or stated
But that's dumb because you could just arbitrarily say that across the board with any majority group even if the marketing team and the production team made no active effort. I mean that's like saying "Sophocles wrote with a distinct Greek bias." Yeah, of course he did, because he was Greek. That doesn't make his entire body of work rabidly nationalistic/ethnocentric.
No but what I'm saying is whites aren't exactly suffering for a lack of movies targeted at them.
But you're asserting without basis that these movies are targeted at whites. What if they're just targeted at "the moviegoing populace in general?" Maybe that population happens to be white, Christian, 50/50 split on gender, and has whatever distribution among ages and income levels? Just targeting "the vast body of customers in general" does not count as "specifically targeting whites."
I'm not saying targeted at whites to the exclusion of other groups.
Then why would you say that so many movies are targeted at whites because whites are considered raceless? That whole statement clearly implies that those movies are not also targeted at blacks or hispanics or whatever. Otherwise, why make the statement at all?
Ok, so when you make assumptions about a Roadhouse outside of Bumfuck Alabama, you're being racist?
Just because it is located in an area where blacks happen to be doesn't mean that it is racist to form an opinion of that area. If there are fucking murders going on outside the YMCA, I'm not racist for not wanting to go to the Y, even if it's located in harlem.
If you avoid the YMCA because it is a locus of crime, that's fine.
If you avoid the YMCA because it's frequented by blacks, and you assume that therefore it is crime-ridden, then it's racist.
Do you see the difference?
Munkus I'd really appreciate an answer to this because I think I phrased this question extremely clearly and we're both on the same page here, in terms of talking about the same thing
There are no "white" movies because to imply that your movie is targeting a "white" audience would get the racism train brought down on your studio faster than you could say "Watermelon"
One could argue that every movie targets white audiences unless otherwise implied or stated
But that's dumb because you could just arbitrarily say that across the board with any majority group even if the marketing team and the production team made no active effort. I mean that's like saying "Sophocles wrote with a distinct Greek bias." Yeah, of course he did, because he was Greek. That doesn't make his entire body of work rabidly nationalistic/ethnocentric.
No but what I'm saying is whites aren't exactly suffering for a lack of movies targeted at them.
But you're asserting without basis that these movies are targeted at whites. What if they're just targeted at "the moviegoing populace in general?" Maybe that population happens to be white, Christian, 50/50 split on gender, and has whatever distribution among ages and income levels? Just targeting "the vast body of customers in general" does not count as "specifically targeting whites."
I'm not saying targeted at whites to the exclusion of other groups.
Then why would you say that so many movies are targeted at whites because whites are considered raceless? That whole statement clearly implies that those movies are not also targeted at blacks or hispanics or whatever. Otherwise, why make the statement at all?
Because there is still an explicit effort on the part of the producers to make sure white audiences will see it. Not to the exclusion of anyone else, but that whites will see it.
"no one was vulgar or rude or loud, everyone ate with forks and napkins, no one was shouting 'mother fucker get me some iced tea'"
Those are black stereotypes?
vulgarity, rudeness, and use of the word motherfucker?
Yes, those are negative stereotypes. Do I subscribe to them? No, but I don't have to subscribe to a stereotype to know it exists.
Do you subscribe to the stereotype that women are less intelligent than men? If not, do you deny that it is a stereotype that exists, and is harmful to women when propagated and internalized?
I've never, ever heard that black people don't eat with forks.
backwards just admit that you said something stupid and we can all move on to the next inane point contention
backwards doing a remarkable job of not saying stupid things despite being faced with the ever popular tactic of being snide, negative, picky, and never saying much of anything to support one's own position while nitpicking the other guy's extensively
backwards just admit that you said something stupid and we can all move on to the next inane point contention
what stupid thing did I say?
The idea that whites are non-raced and others in America are racialized is a very common and well accepted opinion among people who study race in America
it's not at all a radical, unusual, or uncommon position.
I haven't said anything inflammatory, insulted anyone, been rude or condescending, and I've been exceedingly patient. What did I say that was stupid?
backwards just admit that you said something stupid and we can all move on to the next inane point contention
what stupid thing did I say?
The idea that whites are non-raced and others in America are racialized is a very common and well accepted opinion among people who study race in America
it's not at all a radical, unusual, or uncommon position.
I haven't said anything inflammatory, insulted anyone, been rude or condescending, and I've been exceedingly patient. What did I say that was stupid?
So no racial stereotypes exist about white people?
"no one was vulgar or rude or loud, everyone ate with forks and napkins, no one was shouting 'mother fucker get me some iced tea'"
Those are black stereotypes?
vulgarity, rudeness, and use of the word motherfucker?
Yes, those are negative stereotypes. Do I subscribe to them? No, but I don't have to subscribe to a stereotype to know it exists.
Do you subscribe to the stereotype that women are less intelligent than men? If not, do you deny that it is a stereotype that exists, and is harmful to women when propagated and internalized?
I've never, ever heard that black people don't eat with forks.
That's just Bill O'Reilly's own personal racism, in that case.
I should mention that he was there in the first place with Al Sharpton, because they had exchanged angry words about some race-related issue. So it was all very much in the context of race to begin with.
BN, it seems like some of your statements here run along the lines of "if a group has a common, frequent trait that has less than 100% saturation within that group, it is bigoted to assume it when you see an individual of that group." I would suggest that it's not. Applying it blindly, without considering other, more important factors, might indicate bigotry, but otherwise it's just simple statistics. Or pattern recognition.
backwards just admit that you said something stupid and we can all move on to the next inane point contention
what stupid thing did I say?
The idea that whites are non-raced and others in America are racialized is a very common and well accepted opinion among people who study race in America
it's not at all a radical, unusual, or uncommon position.
I haven't said anything inflammatory, insulted anyone, been rude or condescending, and I've been exceedingly patient. What did I say that was stupid?
So no racial stereotypes exist about white people?
Whites are not considered raceless. They are simply the majority, and therefore the default in many cases when race is unspecified.
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Ok, so when you make assumptions about a Roadhouse outside of Bumfuck Alabama, you're being racist?
Just because it is located in an area where blacks happen to be doesn't mean that it is racist to form an opinion of that area. If there are fucking murders going on outside the YMCA, I'm not racist for not wanting to go to the Y, even if it's located in harlem.
If you avoid the YMCA because it is a locus of crime, that's fine.
If you avoid the YMCA because it's frequented by blacks, and you assume that therefore it is crime-ridden, then it's racist.
Do you see the difference?
Munkus I'd really appreciate an answer to this because I think I phrased this question extremely clearly and we're both on the same page here, in terms of talking about the same thing
Again, you're the one that is assuming that he made an assumption based on race alone and not anything else.
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backwards just admit that you said something stupid and we can all move on to the next inane point contention
what stupid thing did I say?
The idea that whites are non-raced and others in America are racialized is a very common and well accepted opinion among people who study race in America
it's not at all a radical, unusual, or uncommon position.
I haven't said anything inflammatory, insulted anyone, been rude or condescending, and I've been exceedingly patient. What did I say that was stupid?
So no racial stereotypes exist about white people?
Racial stereotypes may still exist, to some extent, but whites are still considered "normal"
I'm not saying stereotypes about whites are OK
Race-based stereotypes are generally detrimental to everyone, even those not in the race involved. If something is stereotypically white or black, not only does it limit a white or black person, but it also can limit someone of another race who wants to embrace what's perceived as a stereotype of someone else's race.
However, just because stereotypes exist about whites, does not mean that white characters are seen as primarily or even importantly defined by their race. Black characters, hispanic characters, asian characters, and other minorities very frequently are, sometimes to the point where people in those groups can feel frustrated or alienated because they almost never see any characters who aren't defined this way.
Such definition in media and culture can spill into real life too, which even worse
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No wait, the Bad Idea Bears.
Not Bad News.
Still.
Best part.
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BN, it seems like some of your statements here run along the lines of "if a group has a common, frequent trait that has less than 100% saturation within that group, it is bigoted to assume it when you see an individual of that group." I would suggest that it's not. Applying it blindly, without considering other, more important factors, might indicate bigotry, but otherwise it's just simple statistics. Or pattern recognition.
If that group is a persecuted minority, historically, in the present, or both, as most racial minorities in America are, I would say that yes, such "statistics" are very harmful
Also, let's not call it "statistics" unless the person who's making the assumption is really using actual numbers.
Crossing the street when you see a black guy is not OK, based on his appearance, unless he say has a weapon, or is actively engaging in an illegal activity, or some other extenuating circumstance that you would avoid anyone in such a circumstance.
The statistics are that blacks are disproportionately poor, but not overwhelmingly, with a growing middle class. The statistics are that more violent criminals are white than black. The statistics are that criminals tend to be poor, but not necessarily.
When you see a black guy in baggy clothes, you're making a string of assumptions to get to the conclusion of fear.
The reason these guesstimations are not OK is because they hurt the people they're aimed at
It can really just be as simple as "how would you feel if every day of your life, people crossed the street because they looked at you, and assumed you were a criminal?"
It would hurt, it would make you mad, justifiably so, and it would make you feel alienated and unaccepted by your society.
Obviously those prejudices have much more far-reaching effects than the personal impact, but that alone should be enough.
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i went to a christmas party at a rich friend's house a few years back, up in the hills. i was really uncomfortable there, and i wasn't sure why everything felt a bit strange until i realized that out of the many guests (around 50) there were only two people who weren't white as can be.
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I think I already said that that was the case!
Also he would have poor taste in cinema.
If it's one of those movie theaters where you can also get dinner, sure.
I'm not saying targeted at whites to the exclusion of other groups.
explain
if you talk to a racist enough person they probably are
The answer to the question is yes because it is a movie about a Toby Keith song.
The fuck is that guy thinking?
its called advertising to hipsters
:^:
vulgarity, rudeness, and use of the word motherfucker?
Yes, those are negative stereotypes. Do I subscribe to them? No, but I don't have to subscribe to a stereotype to know it exists.
Do you subscribe to the stereotype that women are less intelligent than men? If not, do you deny that it is a stereotype that exists, and is harmful to women when propagated and internalized?
Then why would you say that so many movies are targeted at whites because whites are considered raceless? That whole statement clearly implies that those movies are not also targeted at blacks or hispanics or whatever. Otherwise, why make the statement at all?
Munkus I'd really appreciate an answer to this because I think I phrased this question extremely clearly and we're both on the same page here, in terms of talking about the same thing
Because there is still an explicit effort on the part of the producers to make sure white audiences will see it. Not to the exclusion of anyone else, but that whites will see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNSNLPIfw
backwards doing a remarkable job of not saying stupid things despite being faced with the ever popular tactic of being snide, negative, picky, and never saying much of anything to support one's own position while nitpicking the other guy's extensively
I'm impressed!
what stupid thing did I say?
The idea that whites are non-raced and others in America are racialized is a very common and well accepted opinion among people who study race in America
it's not at all a radical, unusual, or uncommon position.
I haven't said anything inflammatory, insulted anyone, been rude or condescending, and I've been exceedingly patient. What did I say that was stupid?
So no racial stereotypes exist about white people?
That's just Bill O'Reilly's own personal racism, in that case.
I should mention that he was there in the first place with Al Sharpton, because they had exchanged angry words about some race-related issue. So it was all very much in the context of race to begin with.
Whites are not considered raceless. They are simply the majority, and therefore the default in many cases when race is unspecified.
I love this show.
The best part of it is not in song.
The bad news bears.
i find that racist!
Again, you're the one that is assuming that he made an assumption based on race alone and not anything else.
Racial stereotypes may still exist, to some extent, but whites are still considered "normal"
I'm not saying stereotypes about whites are OK
Race-based stereotypes are generally detrimental to everyone, even those not in the race involved. If something is stereotypically white or black, not only does it limit a white or black person, but it also can limit someone of another race who wants to embrace what's perceived as a stereotype of someone else's race.
However, just because stereotypes exist about whites, does not mean that white characters are seen as primarily or even importantly defined by their race. Black characters, hispanic characters, asian characters, and other minorities very frequently are, sometimes to the point where people in those groups can feel frustrated or alienated because they almost never see any characters who aren't defined this way.
Such definition in media and culture can spill into real life too, which even worse
Not Bad News.
Still.
Best part.
We've found scientology!
well you're a little bit too
I guess we're both a little bit racist
I know you're not really serious, but
why does every thread on the internet dealing with race always have to have one or two people pulling this lame fucking failure of a verbal judo?
"Ah, but do you see? Truly you are the real racist here!"
it's like some magic trick and they expect people to clap when the cloth is pulled away
and nobody ever does because it is incredibly stupid
The last time someone did that I made a Princess Pride joke and no one laughed.
Heathens.
we wore our hoods
By whom?
yeah dudes, where i live, being white is the minority.
If that group is a persecuted minority, historically, in the present, or both, as most racial minorities in America are, I would say that yes, such "statistics" are very harmful
Also, let's not call it "statistics" unless the person who's making the assumption is really using actual numbers.
Crossing the street when you see a black guy is not OK, based on his appearance, unless he say has a weapon, or is actively engaging in an illegal activity, or some other extenuating circumstance that you would avoid anyone in such a circumstance.
The statistics are that blacks are disproportionately poor, but not overwhelmingly, with a growing middle class. The statistics are that more violent criminals are white than black. The statistics are that criminals tend to be poor, but not necessarily.
When you see a black guy in baggy clothes, you're making a string of assumptions to get to the conclusion of fear.
The reason these guesstimations are not OK is because they hurt the people they're aimed at
It can really just be as simple as "how would you feel if every day of your life, people crossed the street because they looked at you, and assumed you were a criminal?"
It would hurt, it would make you mad, justifiably so, and it would make you feel alienated and unaccepted by your society.
Obviously those prejudices have much more far-reaching effects than the personal impact, but that alone should be enough.
i see so many white people
By advertisers, hollywood, media generally, which is what we were talking about?
man I am not surprised that is pretty obscure
and those were two asians!