I'd say editing down is less of an issue than what they add in.
It wasn't the things that got left out of the V for Vendetta movie that upset me, it was stupid shit like making Evey an overt love interest.
In any event, the fact of the matter is that comics do not sell well anymore. Movies are about the only way 95% of the world will know anything about Watchmen or anything else that isn't Spider-Man or Batman or one of the other handful of comic characters who have worked their way into mainstream consciousness.
And on that note, can anyone name a single comic book character created after the 60s that qualifies? The only one I can think of that even comes close is Wolverine.
The rant on the first page is exactly the kind of thing that pisses me off about a lot of comic book fans, and people in general. That whole thing was elitist garbage. I don't like Black Panther so I don't buy it. But I don't shit on the people that enjoy it, either.
And the "OH MY GOD THEY RAISED THE PRICE WHY DO YOU GUYS STILL BUY IT" thing is absolute crap. If people stopped buying comics because of price-increases the industry would have gone under in the fifties. It's called inflation, damn it.
And on that note, can anyone name a single comic book character created after the 60s that qualifies? The only one I can think of that even comes close is Wolverine.
the punisher (not that he was made up a long time after the 60s)
The best thing for the comics industry is if everyone stops buying comics
if it is the only way companies will learn from their mistakes then yes, people should quit rewarding failure and business practices that they don't like
Maybe it'd help if Moore, you know, didn't let his comics become movies instead of sitting back and washing his hands of the associated projects...
But hey, back in the real world I think he needed the money.
Thinking of pricing/comic loyalty, when Marvel UK's inhouse team exploded (I don't think it was the first time) I remember missing Death's Head II. Always intended as a short-run I'm sure, but when sales lagged a little- despite a huge jump to start off with- they may have decided not to take it further anyway. Mind you, it's just as likely that a Death's Head-obsessed friend of mine took it into his head to attack the sequel's production team, permanently crippling Marvel UK in the process.
Seriously, he took it really personally when DH1 got killed off. And then took it really personally when DH2 vanished off the universe. I haven't heard from him since DH3.0 appeared, but I suspect he spends much of his free time trying to lick Simon Furman.
The best thing for the comics industry is if everyone stops buying comics
if it is the only way companies will learn from their mistakes then yes, people should quit rewarding failure and business practices that they don't like
Thats the problem with the logic you're using. Big corporations don't learn. Know why? They aren't people.
Maybe it'd help if Moore, you know, didn't let his comics become movies instead of sitting back and washing his hands of the associated projects...
But hey, back in the real world I think he needed the money.
I don't think Alan Moore owns the movie rights to any of the comics he's done for DC (and by extension, Wildstorm).
I could be wrong; but I think most of the comic companies make sure that those rights fall to them.
This is correct. DC owns the rights to all of the graphic novels of Moore's that have been made into movies thus far. He has no say in whether they get made, and has voluntarily given up his share of the cash from any films or merchandising thereof. He's asked that his name be taken off any movies made from his material (if you watch V for Vendetta, you'll see the credits read "Based on the graphic novel by David Lloyd", with no mention of Moore at all).
He's even gone so far as to demand that DC remove his name from any current and future print runs of the actual comics. DC would never actually honor that request, but that's how much he despises what's been done to his work.
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Well, Lost Girls is his own work, so if Alan Moore wanted a movie made from it, he could choose who, where, and how it gets made.
But he never would. Honestly, there was no real reason to make any of his previous work into movies, either. I can't even imagine that Watchmen will be good.
The best thing for the comics industry is if everyone stops buying comics
if it is the only way companies will learn from their mistakes then yes, people should quit rewarding failure and business practices that they don't like
Thats the problem with the logic you're using. Big corporations don't learn. Know why? They aren't people.
they are ran people, though some people would call them Satan's Servants, if the bottom line is effected in a negative way they'll change things.
Well, Lost Girls is his own work, so if Alan Moore wanted a movie made from it, he could choose who, where, and how it gets made.
But he never would. Honestly, there was no real reason to make any of his previous work into movies, either. I can't even imagine that Watchmen will be good.
This thinking always baffles me.
Man, I'm pretty upset that The Ten Commandments got made into a movie, because the Bible was pretty good in its own right.
Personally, there are certain comics that fit better into tradeback format. Sandman, Lucifer, and Hellboy all come to mind with epic story arcs.
I've bought a few GI Joe or Transformers comics, but I tend to stick with tradebacks. I'd rather have a book I can read as opposed to some sort of flier mess I don't really know what to do with.
Well, Lost Girls is his own work, so if Alan Moore wanted a movie made from it, he could choose who, where, and how it gets made.
But he never would. Honestly, there was no real reason to make any of his previous work into movies, either. I can't even imagine that Watchmen will be good.
Well, Lost Girls is his own work, so if Alan Moore wanted a movie made from it, he could choose who, where, and how it gets made.
But he never would. Honestly, there was no real reason to make any of his previous work into movies, either. I can't even imagine that Watchmen will be good.
This thinking always baffles me.
Man, I'm pretty upset that The Ten Commandments got made into a movie, because the Bible was pretty good in its own right.
If Watchmen was made with epic feeling and scale that the Ten Commandments or say Lord of the Rings was, very few would complain or have a right to.
To be honest, I'm not sure Watchmen will make all that good of a movie. It seems to me that story is really only important to fans of the super-hero genre, unless the moviemakers can draw out some larger lessons about democracy and tyranny. Unfortunately, I don't think those larger lessons can be drawn out without beating the viewer over the head with them.
Most of what make Watchmen so great as a comic book depends on it being a comic book. Moore pushed the boundaries of comics, not movies. There's about ten different movies in Watchmen, and trying to translate them all to the screen would be too much for one film.
To be honest I'd actually have to agree with Church on the point that Watchmen couldn't make a good movie: if only because 120 minutes (or whatever) is too damn short a time period to portray that kind of story.
That said, I honestly didn't think V for Vendetta was all bad- but, conversely, I honestly can't see Watchmen making a great film. I would happily be proved wrong, however, even if it involved marching naked through Carlisle on market day.
Oh, incidentally, I actually bothered to check these things and you guys are quite right: Moore did wash his hands of the projects, but that's because DC already appeared to have cut them off. Jeez. God forbid a creator gets a contract that treats them like something more than factory machinery...
I didn't know what Hellboy was before I saw the movie. Saw it, loved it, went and bought a couple of the trades.
I didn't know what sin city was when it was about to come out, and so I bought the trades in the movie before it did, then went and saw it, then bought the rest.
Point is, without either of the movies, I wouldn't have made any of the purchases. Just consider it an advertisement.
However , it is frustrating getting people to read the source material after the movie has gotten a bad rap. I love turning on my buddies to good reads, but I still haven't convinced any of them to read V for Vendetta after the wake of the movie.
Maybe I shouldn't worry about that sort of thing, but I do.
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I am not buying Jeff Smith's Shazam mini-series until it hits trades to send the message that $6 an issue is seriously fucking ridiculous
It's prestige format and there are no ads.
I'm not defending it, but I will point out that the same week, 2 other 48-pagers came out.
With less content.
ACTION COMICS ANNUAL
Price $4.00
Pages: 48, ads inclusive.
Pages of actual content: 39 (or 40 if you count the table of contents
page).
Cost: 10 cents/page of content.
MONSTER SOCIETY OF EVIL
PRICE: $6.00
Pages: 48, prestige format, thick cover, zero advertisements.
Pages of actual content: 48 (or 50 if you count the cover interiors
and their coded messages)
Cost: Less than 13 cents/page of content
CTHULHU TALES : THE RISING
PRICE: $7.00
Pages: 48
Pages of actual content: 46 (there's one ad at the end)
Cost: A little more than 15 cents/page
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NOW GIVE ME YOUR TATER TOTS
that dude has a frightening stare
either that or he's dead
Brown Bear lives, be ever watchful for him.
And the "OH MY GOD THEY RAISED THE PRICE WHY DO YOU GUYS STILL BUY IT" thing is absolute crap. If people stopped buying comics because of price-increases the industry would have gone under in the fifties. It's called inflation, damn it.
Geebs: Inflation is part of it, but it's also the rising price of paper, which is also not the comic publishers' fault.
if it is the only way companies will learn from their mistakes then yes, people should quit rewarding failure and business practices that they don't like
not if it's terrible
But hey, back in the real world I think he needed the money.
Thinking of pricing/comic loyalty, when Marvel UK's inhouse team exploded (I don't think it was the first time) I remember missing Death's Head II. Always intended as a short-run I'm sure, but when sales lagged a little- despite a huge jump to start off with- they may have decided not to take it further anyway. Mind you, it's just as likely that a Death's Head-obsessed friend of mine took it into his head to attack the sequel's production team, permanently crippling Marvel UK in the process.
Seriously, he took it really personally when DH1 got killed off. And then took it really personally when DH2 vanished off the universe. I haven't heard from him since DH3.0 appeared, but I suspect he spends much of his free time trying to lick Simon Furman.
Thats the problem with the logic you're using. Big corporations don't learn. Know why? They aren't people.
I could be wrong; but I think most of the comic companies make sure that those rights fall to them.
This is correct. DC owns the rights to all of the graphic novels of Moore's that have been made into movies thus far. He has no say in whether they get made, and has voluntarily given up his share of the cash from any films or merchandising thereof. He's asked that his name be taken off any movies made from his material (if you watch V for Vendetta, you'll see the credits read "Based on the graphic novel by David Lloyd", with no mention of Moore at all).
He's even gone so far as to demand that DC remove his name from any current and future print runs of the actual comics. DC would never actually honor that request, but that's how much he despises what's been done to his work.
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Dang.
But he never would. Honestly, there was no real reason to make any of his previous work into movies, either. I can't even imagine that Watchmen will be good.
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But I want to hang out in the magic cave
they are ran people, though some people would call them Satan's Servants, if the bottom line is effected in a negative way they'll change things.
Nobody wants a magick cave!
Be fair, everybody wants a magick cave.
Man, I'm pretty upset that The Ten Commandments got made into a movie, because the Bible was pretty good in its own right.
I've bought a few GI Joe or Transformers comics, but I tend to stick with tradebacks. I'd rather have a book I can read as opposed to some sort of flier mess I don't really know what to do with.
I'd dig a Top Ten movie.
If Watchmen was made with epic feeling and scale that the Ten Commandments or say Lord of the Rings was, very few would complain or have a right to.
Most of what make Watchmen so great as a comic book depends on it being a comic book. Moore pushed the boundaries of comics, not movies. There's about ten different movies in Watchmen, and trying to translate them all to the screen would be too much for one film.
That said, I honestly didn't think V for Vendetta was all bad- but, conversely, I honestly can't see Watchmen making a great film. I would happily be proved wrong, however, even if it involved marching naked through Carlisle on market day.
Oh, incidentally, I actually bothered to check these things and you guys are quite right: Moore did wash his hands of the projects, but that's because DC already appeared to have cut them off. Jeez. God forbid a creator gets a contract that treats them like something more than factory machinery...
I didn't know what sin city was when it was about to come out, and so I bought the trades in the movie before it did, then went and saw it, then bought the rest.
Point is, without either of the movies, I wouldn't have made any of the purchases. Just consider it an advertisement.
However , it is frustrating getting people to read the source material after the movie has gotten a bad rap. I love turning on my buddies to good reads, but I still haven't convinced any of them to read V for Vendetta after the wake of the movie.
Maybe I shouldn't worry about that sort of thing, but I do.
Guy love?
It's prestige format and there are no ads.
I'm not defending it, but I will point out that the same week, 2 other 48-pagers came out.
With less content.
ACTION COMICS ANNUAL
Price $4.00
Pages: 48, ads inclusive.
Pages of actual content: 39 (or 40 if you count the table of contents
page).
Cost: 10 cents/page of content.
MONSTER SOCIETY OF EVIL
PRICE: $6.00
Pages: 48, prestige format, thick cover, zero advertisements.
Pages of actual content: 48 (or 50 if you count the cover interiors
and their coded messages)
Cost: Less than 13 cents/page of content
CTHULHU TALES : THE RISING
PRICE: $7.00
Pages: 48
Pages of actual content: 46 (there's one ad at the end)
Cost: A little more than 15 cents/page