nah because they would increase the mana cost on it.
Ice lance needs functionality other than on frozen targets. It does.
It would have to be a seriously large increase to make it not worth spamming. 1.5 sec cooldown on a spell that can cause itself to do a ton more damage? Not to mention being a pretty passable snare on top of that?
And no, it doesn't. I can see an argument based on the premise that Frost needs stronger PvP skills, but the reality is that Ice Lance itself doesn't need anything. As a part of a strategy to strengthen Frost, some additional utility might be a part of that, but the reality is that Ice Lance is perfectly suited to the niche it occupies. There is nothing deficient about Ice Lance that doesn't have it's base in the fact that Frost in general is deficient.
Yeah if you're at 35% health, chances are you're doing to be dead before you even realize you are at 35% health.
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Yeah Mage below 60% is pretty much 0%. Especially considering the current numbers flying around from Rogues, Hunters, Warriors, DKs etc.
Wow. No, not really. Not really at all.
A mage at 0% mana is a dead mage. A mage with 35% health and 90% mana is still a very dangerous customer. Mana shield? Ever heard of it? Yeah, I know. You're used to it sucking. Try it out with 2k+ spellpower and 20k mana. I've killed every class under the sun that's gotten the jump on me, usually with less than 35% health to start.
SUprisingly with my current gear, FFB does less DPS than Arcane, is there a reason I'm pulling only 1.3k DPS with FFB with my gear, when I do Arcane, it's a bit more respectable 1.6kish? Especially considering my Crit is a lot higher than my Haste?
SUprisingly with my current gear, FFB does less DPS than Arcane, is there a reason I'm pulling only 1.3k DPS with FFB with my gear, when I do Arcane, it's a bit more respectable 1.6kish? Especially considering my Crit is a lot higher than my Haste?
Do you have a rotation? 1.3 is pretty awful for a level 80 Mage.
SUprisingly with my current gear, FFB does less DPS than Arcane, is there a reason I'm pulling only 1.3k DPS with FFB with my gear, when I do Arcane, it's a bit more respectable 1.6kish? Especially considering my Crit is a lot higher than my Haste?
Those are terrible numbers for any spec. Even aside from that, a few things-
You have too much hit rating. Do you have a boomkin or spriest in your group? If so, you have WAY too much hit-rating.
You need 17% without talents to hit a boss. With arcane specc and both hit talents, you need 11%. (17-6). If you have a boomkin/spriest you get 3% extra hit, so you only need 8% (17-6-3).
I see you've gemmed for hit. If you really want to go arcane spec, get rid of that. I also see you've gemmed fro straight haste. Get rid of that as well and get the +9/+8 gems if you're trying to hit bonuses.
SUprisingly with my current gear, FFB does less DPS than Arcane, is there a reason I'm pulling only 1.3k DPS with FFB with my gear, when I do Arcane, it's a bit more respectable 1.6kish? Especially considering my Crit is a lot higher than my Haste?
Do you have a rotation? 1.3 is pretty awful for a level 80.
SUprisingly with my current gear, FFB does less DPS than Arcane, is there a reason I'm pulling only 1.3k DPS with FFB with my gear, when I do Arcane, it's a bit more respectable 1.6kish? Especially considering my Crit is a lot higher than my Haste?
I'd be more worried about the reason you're doing sub 2k DPS.
That reason is that 90% of your gear is completely and disgustingly unenchanted.
You're Kirin Tor revered. Why isn't your helm enchanted?
You're Honored with Scryers. At least throw the shitty shoulder enchant on there. Or, since you're only a single day's dailies away from Honored with Sons of Hodir, just wait until you get the Honored Hodir one as its better.
Enchant your: Chest, Bracers, Gloves, Boots.
Doing all that will see you gain a good 100-150 spellpower, and a bit of crit too.
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personally I'd drop the points out of Permafrost and pick up Piercing Ice. 6% more damage is going to be a bit more help than a bigger snare effect..the base snare effect combined with Frostbite is more than enough.
I'd drop Winter's Chill, too, and put one point in Improved Blizzard. It came up more often than I thought it would that I could AOE down quest mobs four or five at a time rather than single target them, and having the snaring blizzard helps that out drastically.
Winter's Chill shouldn't have enough uptime to be useful while leveling.
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I'd drop Winter's Chill, too, and put one point in Improved Blizzard. It came up more often than I thought it would that I could AOE down quest mobs four or five at a time rather than single target them, and having the snaring blizzard helps that out drastically.
Winter's Chill shouldn't have enough uptime to be useful while leveling.
the only problem i found with improved blizzard is that with frostbite, mobs randomly get frozen, and the nice neat little pack of mobs gets split up and its quite a hassle to form them back up again
actually, if you're leveling, you WANT them to get frozen.
here's how you powerlevel as frost - maximize improved blizzard. when you want to kill mobs, throw up ice barrier and just fucking aggro them all. get them all stacked up, frost nova, blink away, blizzard them down. they should refreeze themselves due to how many waves you slap down, and after 2-3 blizzards the entire group will be dead due to every wave critting off of shatter.
also, 1.6 DPS is terrible. you have very little haste, which arcane needs a lot of... i dunno, check your rotation man, because my DPS hovers around 2.6 and i'm about as geared as you are.
SUprisingly with my current gear, FFB does less DPS than Arcane, is there a reason I'm pulling only 1.3k DPS with FFB with my gear, when I do Arcane, it's a bit more respectable 1.6kish? Especially considering my Crit is a lot higher than my Haste?
I'd be more worried about the reason you're doing sub 2k DPS.
That reason is that 90% of your gear is completely and disgustingly unenchanted.
You're Kirin Tor revered. Why isn't your helm enchanted?
You're Honored with Scryers. At least throw the shitty shoulder enchant on there. Or, since you're only a single day's dailies away from Honored with Sons of Hodir, just wait until you get the Honored Hodir one as its better.
Enchant your: Chest, Bracers, Gloves, Boots.
Doing all that will see you gain a good 100-150 spellpower, and a bit of crit too.
You can also just use 40 stone keeper's shards to get the shoulder enchant. It's not bad.
A question, would taking the two points out of the 6yd range talent in this Arcane spec and putting one point in the hit talent, the other in the pushback talent, be that bad of an idea? Having to gear for a little less hit sounds nice and I don't want to have to rely on the presence of a Paladin with conc aura to prevent pushback, but I can't find anywhere else to get those talent points from.
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Ice lance needs functionality other than on frozen targets. It does.
It would have to be a seriously large increase to make it not worth spamming. 1.5 sec cooldown on a spell that can cause itself to do a ton more damage? Not to mention being a pretty passable snare on top of that?
And no, it doesn't. I can see an argument based on the premise that Frost needs stronger PvP skills, but the reality is that Ice Lance itself doesn't need anything. As a part of a strategy to strengthen Frost, some additional utility might be a part of that, but the reality is that Ice Lance is perfectly suited to the niche it occupies. There is nothing deficient about Ice Lance that doesn't have it's base in the fact that Frost in general is deficient.
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Wow. No, not really. Not really at all.
A mage at 0% mana is a dead mage. A mage with 35% health and 90% mana is still a very dangerous customer. Mana shield? Ever heard of it? Yeah, I know. You're used to it sucking. Try it out with 2k+ spellpower and 20k mana. I've killed every class under the sun that's gotten the jump on me, usually with less than 35% health to start.
Those are terrible numbers for any spec. Even aside from that, a few things-
You have too much hit rating. Do you have a boomkin or spriest in your group? If so, you have WAY too much hit-rating.
You need 17% without talents to hit a boss. With arcane specc and both hit talents, you need 11%. (17-6). If you have a boomkin/spriest you get 3% extra hit, so you only need 8% (17-6-3).
I see you've gemmed for hit. If you really want to go arcane spec, get rid of that. I also see you've gemmed fro straight haste. Get rid of that as well and get the +9/+8 gems if you're trying to hit bonuses.
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I'd be more worried about the reason you're doing sub 2k DPS.
That reason is that 90% of your gear is completely and disgustingly unenchanted.
You're Kirin Tor revered. Why isn't your helm enchanted?
You're Honored with Scryers. At least throw the shitty shoulder enchant on there. Or, since you're only a single day's dailies away from Honored with Sons of Hodir, just wait until you get the Honored Hodir one as its better.
Enchant your: Chest, Bracers, Gloves, Boots.
Doing all that will see you gain a good 100-150 spellpower, and a bit of crit too.
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But thats a personal preference, either is fine.
Winter's Chill shouldn't have enough uptime to be useful while leveling.
the only problem i found with improved blizzard is that with frostbite, mobs randomly get frozen, and the nice neat little pack of mobs gets split up and its quite a hassle to form them back up again
here's how you powerlevel as frost - maximize improved blizzard. when you want to kill mobs, throw up ice barrier and just fucking aggro them all. get them all stacked up, frost nova, blink away, blizzard them down. they should refreeze themselves due to how many waves you slap down, and after 2-3 blizzards the entire group will be dead due to every wave critting off of shatter.
also, 1.6 DPS is terrible. you have very little haste, which arcane needs a lot of... i dunno, check your rotation man, because my DPS hovers around 2.6 and i'm about as geared as you are.
EDIT: if you want Arcane 101, you could do worse than the elitist jerks Arcane thread.
You can also just use 40 stone keeper's shards to get the shoulder enchant. It's not bad.