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Saturday Morning Watchmen (Spoilers)

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  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    people have different opinions on the internet, more at 11.

    Tasteticle on

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    I wanted it to be good and I thought it was good, but I firmly believe that my enjoyment was rooted in having read the novel beforehand. When I look at it from the perspective of someone who hasn't read Watchmen, the pacing is fucked up and the music is terrible and the movie takes forever to get going and it's just not that great, structurally.

    We discussed this earlier in the thread:

    People who never read the comic seem to like it, even if they might have missed some stuff.

    Those of us who read it first have trouble imagining liking it without reading it, but that's really just a self-centered point of view.



    The movie is a bit long is the only real thing that COULD be an issue, but I firmly believe that it couldn't have been any shorter. The only other solution could have been cutting it in to two or three movies.

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited March 2009
    Kusuguttai wrote: »
    my friends have not read it and they all thought it was fantastic

    did they think it was a good movie? Like in terms of craft and quality and artistry?

    because if so they don't have very good taste

    if I saw this without having read the book I would have enjoyed it

    I also would have still thought it was mostly dogshit filmmaking

    however I have read the book so I understand why it was made that way and I loved it and thought it did a great job of what it was trying to be

    art is hard :3

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    depending on your frame of reference, this movie was anything from fantastic to dogshit

    EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE

    sorry backwards, this thread is about finding the exact point on the scale of poop to gold that watchmen lies on

    no compromise

    not even in the face of armageddon

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Kusuguttai wrote: »
    my friends have not read it and they all thought it was fantastic

    did they think it was a good movie? Like in terms of craft and quality and artistry?

    because if so they don't have very good taste

    if I saw this without having read the book I would have enjoyed it

    I also would have still thought it was mostly dogshit filmmaking

    however I have read the book so I understand why it was made that way and I loved it and thought it did a great job of what it was trying to be

    art is hard :3

    i think you're being kind of a douche with this
    i can like a movie that isn't perfectly filmed and edited.
    i really have no big complaints with the filmmaking.

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  • JauntyJaunty Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Blankspace wrote: »
    The gore was necessary. The violence in the comic was shocking at the time, and if they just stuck with what was in the comic the audience wouldn't have reacted at all.

    A history of violence had really jarring gore, and it did so in a much more effective way than I believe this was done.

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited March 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    depending on your frame of reference, this movie was anything from fantastic to dogshit

    EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE

    sorry backwards, this thread is about finding the exact point on the scale of poop to gold that watchmen lies on

    no compromise

    not even in the face of armageddon

    you keep refusing to see things from my perspective

    if only you could see movies the way I do

    sdrawkcaB emaN on
  • potatoepotatoe Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    art is butt

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  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Here's the scale I use:

    Did it keep me entertained for the duration?

    yes: Good movie.

    no: Bad movie.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    FortyTwo wrote: »
    The only time the gore bugged me was in the alley fight. And even then I thought it was alright when contrasted against the really stylized and "action movie" kind of fighting they do once they become superheroes again.

    but is it really in the Silk Specter's character to jam a screwdriver through someone's ear?

    I thought that the first time I saw it, but the second time I was thinking about it a bit more, and if someone was trying to murder you I don't know if murdering them first would be completely out of the question.

    They're way too happy about doing it, though

    and then they go and fuck in archie

    kinda sociopathic
    They weren't smiling like goofballs in that scene, like they were in the less violent action sequences they were involved in. It was just a survival mechanism sort of deal.

    The backwards elbow was a little over the top, though.

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    exactly. this movie ain't gonna win any awards for cinematography or nothing but it's still a good movie

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.

    I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.

    I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity

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  • JauntyJaunty Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kusuguttai wrote: »
    exactly. this movie ain't gonna win any awards for cinematography or nothing but it's still a good movie

    Yeah this was pretty much my takeaway, too.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    depending on your frame of reference, this movie was anything from fantastic to dogshit

    EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE

    sorry backwards, this thread is about finding the exact point on the scale of poop to gold that watchmen lies on

    no compromise

    not even in the face of armageddon

    you keep refusing to see things from my perspective

    if only you could see movies the way I do

    I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A NEW HOLE

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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kusuguttai wrote: »
    for the most part it seems like the people who wanted this to not be good came out thinking it was bad and the people who wanted it to be good came out thinking it was good
    Brilliant analysis.

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.

    I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.

    I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity

    dude, that was meta as fuck

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    I'm not posting in this thread with you

    you're posting in this thread with me!

    rrahrrgrrgharlrl

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Kusuguttai wrote: »
    for the most part it seems like the people who wanted this to not be good came out thinking it was bad and the people who wanted it to be good came out thinking it was good
    Brilliant analysis.

    thanks, the new yorker picked me up as a freelancer

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited March 2009
    Kusuguttai wrote: »

    i think you're being kind of a douche with this
    i can like a movie that isn't perfectly filmed and edited.
    i really have no big complaints with the filmmaking.

    Oh I like tons of movies that aren't very good movies

    even downright bad!

    I liked Transformers

    I liked Lord of the Rings

    both were pretty terrible movies on the whole -- bad acting, bad writing, bad editing, bad direction

    however they were really pretty and had radical action and were fun to watch

    that doesn't mean that any of the most crucial components of movie-making were executed with skill in those films

    this is the thing about art

    we adopt a language of craftsmanship, innovation, and skill, and that is our barometer of "good" and "bad" movies.

    this allows us to have a meaningful way of talking about art that is rooted in more than personal preference, so we can actually share ideas about art instead of yelling our experiences at each other.

    however, we're all still free to like movies that are bad, and dislike movies that are good. Personal experience is what it is.

    that's just not the way we talk about movies as good or bad, because if good means "I liked it" and bad means "I didn't like it" then really it's impossible to ever have meaningful discussion of art.

    I feel like this is basic common knowledge in western culture but so many people don't seem to get it

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  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.

    I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.

    I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity

    dude, that was meta as fuck

    actual objectivity is interpreted differently by different people and thus is inherently subjective. Thus through fake faking objectivity through subjectivity one will finally find a subjective truth.

    Tasteticle on

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    i tried to read that then my brain shut down

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.

    I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.

    I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity

    dude, that was meta as fuck

    You and I walked in to the theater with a foundation already laid that we understood the movie through. If we think about not having read the book, we think about not having a foundation at all.

    But other folks happily built their own foundations DURING the movie, and understood it perfectly fine.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    You want me to heat those up for you?

    Your terrible opinions, I mean

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    stop it stop it stop it

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  • guruslothgurusloth Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Tasteticle wrote: »
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Monkeyfeet wrote: »
    I don't think it is really self-centered to feel that way. I honestly probably wouldn't have liked it as much without reading Watchmen.

    I don't mean self-centered as a bad thing.

    I mean that you are faking objectivity through subjectivity, rather than attempting an actual objectivity

    dude, that was meta as fuck

    actual objectivity is interpreted differently by different people and thus is inherently subjective. Thus through fake faking objectivity through subjectivity one will finally find a subjective truth.

    mind is blown

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited March 2009
    this is the most fun I've had in a movie thread ever

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  • scarlet ave.scarlet ave. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Wow, we're all Philosophy 101 in here, huh.

    Time to go

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    beardman if you don't park it i'mma get wild on you

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  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Wow, we're all Philosophy 101 in here, huh.

    Time to go

    going is relative. To others you are arriving.

    Tasteticle on

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  • potatoepotatoe Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    anjin let's hi5 about how great this movie was

    potatoe on
  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited March 2009
    Tasteticle wrote: »
    Wow, we're all Philosophy 101 in here, huh.

    Time to go

    going is relative. To others you are arriving.

    ahahahaha

    sdrawkcaB emaN on
  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    potatoe wrote: »
    anjin let's hi5 about how great this movie was

    yo high five how about malin ackerman's ass, son

    good god

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    now everyone take a bow as the curtain closes

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  • potatoepotatoe Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    i mean goddamn

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited March 2009
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    beardman if you don't park it i'mma get wild on you

    listen

    listen anjin nothing would make me happier than to pack you an 'tatoe a bowl of the dankest nugs and watch this movie in IMAX with you immediately thereafter

    but I gots to be a dick about things

    it's just in my blood man

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  • sdrawkcaB emaNsdrawkcaB emaN regular
    edited March 2009
    potatoe wrote: »
    i mean goddamn

    y'all sure do like white girl asses huh

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  • DislexicDislexic Creepy Uncle Bad Touch Your local playgroundRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    wow FortyTwo, I've never seen someone so wrong

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Dank...nugz?

    Hurm.

    Must investigate further.

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    potatoe wrote: »
    anjin let's hi5 about how great this movie was

    can i get in on this

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