but he's HUMAN and he has the ABILITY to feel ALL EMOTIONS and we are the most BALANCED creatures in the UNIVERSE and even the GUARDIANS learned something from this ADVENTURE everyone LAUGHS Hal WINKS at the AUDIENCE THE BLACKEST NIGHT THE END
but he's HUMAN and he has the ABILITY to feel ALL EMOTIONS and we are the most BALANCED creatures in the UNIVERSE and even the GUARDIANS learned something from this ADVENTURE everyone LAUGHS Hal WINKS at the AUDIENCE THE BLACKEST NIGHT THE END
Its Gold Jerry, Gold!
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As long as it ends with the lanterns bitch-slapping the Guardians, I'll be pretty happy.
Here's the thing about how the Corps are being presented so far that bugs me: right now, there doesn't seem to be a reason for the Yellow, Red, Blue, Green or Sapphire Corps to disapear, i.e. their structure seems to reasonably allow to continue without imploding. The rest, of course, we don't know about yet.
So, why not keep them around? Why have this all end this year?
I feel like it'd be much more interesting to have them popping up around the universe, each doing their thing. Maybe neuter the Red a bit (since they're just killers), but given how large space is, it'd be nice to have a sort of galaxy-wide game of multi-color checkers going on.
The corps are supposed to go away after Blackest Night? Do you remember where this was said?
Because if so, that is a waste, especially since every new corps outside of Sinestro has had about 5 minutes of screentime.
I can't link to a particular document, but I thought it was an understood part of the arc. If I'm mistaken, I'll be happy to hear it of course.
Part of what made me think this, I'm sure, is the fact that all of Blackest Night happens in between two issues of Final Crisis, meaning that Hal escapes as just a GL, and none of the other Corps seemed concerned about Final Crisis (i.e. they were absent). Frankly, I find it implausible that (a) the Sapphire Corps would be okay with Anti-Life spreading, and (b) the Blue Corps wouldn't be helping the GLs there.
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Wait, Blackest Night happens after FC. It has nothing to do with it, I thought.
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Rage of the Red Lanterns occurred between Final Crisis #1 & 2, not Blackest Night.
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Also, the guy who did the designs for Spectacular Spider-Man, Sean Galloway, has some work up for his stint on the new Wednesday Comics strip with the Teen Titans:
Outside of Wonder Girl's outfit, I like that art a lot.
Yeah, Galloway's awesome. I always hated that the only real mainstream work he got was Teen Titans Go! And I love that Red/Kid Devil outfit. Much better than his gay biker look, and still faithful to Blue Devil's costume. He draws a fuckawesome Beetle too.
The corps are supposed to go away after Blackest Night? Do you remember where this was said?
Because if so, that is a waste, especially since every new corps outside of Sinestro has had about 5 minutes of screentime.
I can't link to a particular document, but I thought it was an understood part of the arc. If I'm mistaken, I'll be happy to hear it of course.
Part of what made me think this, I'm sure, is the fact that all of Blackest Night happens in between two issues of Final Crisis, meaning that Hal escapes as just a GL, and none of the other Corps seemed concerned about Final Crisis (i.e. they were absent). Frankly, I find it implausible that (a) the Sapphire Corps would be okay with Anti-Life spreading, and (b) the Blue Corps wouldn't be helping the GLs there.
Sins of the Star Sapphire, Rage of the Red Lanterns, and Agent Orange (pretty sure, will know for certain next week) happen between Final Crisis #1 and #2. Then FC #2 - 7 happens. Then, I think, the Emerald Eclipse arc in GLC. Then Blackest Night #0 and so on.
The corps are supposed to go away after Blackest Night? Do you remember where this was said?
Because if so, that is a waste, especially since every new corps outside of Sinestro has had about 5 minutes of screentime.
I can't link to a particular document, but I thought it was an understood part of the arc. If I'm mistaken, I'll be happy to hear it of course.
Part of what made me think this, I'm sure, is the fact that all of Blackest Night happens in between two issues of Final Crisis, meaning that Hal escapes as just a GL, and none of the other Corps seemed concerned about Final Crisis (i.e. they were absent). Frankly, I find it implausible that (a) the Sapphire Corps would be okay with Anti-Life spreading, and (b) the Blue Corps wouldn't be helping the GLs there.
Sins of the Star Sapphire, Rage of the Red Lanterns, and Agent Orange (pretty sure, will know for certain next week) happen between Final Crisis #1 and #2. Then FC #2 - 7 happens. Then, I think, the Emerald Eclipse arc in GLC. Then Blackest Night #0 and so on.
I see. But doesn't that still have the problem of the absence of the Blue Lanterns in FC?
The corps are supposed to go away after Blackest Night? Do you remember where this was said?
Because if so, that is a waste, especially since every new corps outside of Sinestro has had about 5 minutes of screentime.
I can't link to a particular document, but I thought it was an understood part of the arc. If I'm mistaken, I'll be happy to hear it of course.
Part of what made me think this, I'm sure, is the fact that all of Blackest Night happens in between two issues of Final Crisis, meaning that Hal escapes as just a GL, and none of the other Corps seemed concerned about Final Crisis (i.e. they were absent). Frankly, I find it implausible that (a) the Sapphire Corps would be okay with Anti-Life spreading, and (b) the Blue Corps wouldn't be helping the GLs there.
Sins of the Star Sapphire, Rage of the Red Lanterns, and Agent Orange (pretty sure, will know for certain next week) happen between Final Crisis #1 and #2. Then FC #2 - 7 happens. Then, I think, the Emerald Eclipse arc in GLC. Then Blackest Night #0 and so on.
I see. But doesn't that still have the problem of the absence of the Blue Lanterns in FC?
Why is that a problem? FC didn't have anything to do with the Blues.
Blues would have been nice to have when their rings were dying.
Exactly. This was a reality-impacting event, but the Blues didn't show up to support the Greens? In particular, wouldn't a Corps built around Hope be particularly upset about Anti-Life taking over?
1- Earth was cut off from the rest of the universe.
2- Walker and Warth's mission was to assist Jordan in rescuing Sinestro from the Reds. We haven't seen what happens to the Blue Corps between the end of "Rage..." and the end of "Agent Orange" that might prevent them from assisting.
3- The Blue Corps might only exist to help during the War of Light/Blackest Night.
4- While it would have been convineient to have them around, the absence of the Blue Corps isn't really a problem. The GLs handled their part just fine.
With the exception of Cassie's weird as hell outfit, that is really really good and I'd love to see them in motion.
Personally i don't think it would be all that bad if they lost the weird beige skirty thing and just gave her jeans also whats going on with the one armored boot thing?
I just read that Legion of Three Worlds was delayed to March 25th. Goddamnit, I was looking forward to it.
That's this Wednesday?
Right, no, sorry. That must have been my unconscious attempt to rewrite reality. No. It's been delayed to May 13th.
Let's just hope this isn't a bad sign about George Perez's health.
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Is it Perez's health, or is it trying to make sure they can bring back Superboy without owing the Siegel family any more money? I thought it was the latter. Like midway through the script there was a breaktrhough with the legal stuff.
Perez is one of those artists who will let you know when he can't get stuff done on time, he's not one of those nuvo-artistes out there now who think just because they take forever to do a book it automatically makes it better. When he broke his hand on JLA/Avengers he came right out and said it, but still did the book in a timely fashion.
I think that worrying about where the blues were during FC is just the kind of thing that every writer is thinking of when they bemoan continuity in comics. It's completely unimportant.
I think that worrying about where the blues were during FC is just the kind of thing that every writer is thinking of when they bemoan continuity in comics. It's completely unimportant.
See, but it's not. This is why it's so ridiculous when writers bemoan continuity.
If you don't want to write in a shared universe - if you don't want to take advantage of all the hard work your predecessors have put into setting up the stage - then why in the name of creation are you writing there in the first place? What's the point?
The only reason is just pure, crass commercialism, and that means that writer is just an ass, in my opinion. Artists create to make art, and if they make money then that's all the better. Unlike other ventures, where making money is an acceptable motivation, people who pretend to be artists just to make money are disgusting. Writers who complain about the very context they've chosen to inhabit for their work are some of the worst of this kind, because not only are they spiting the thing they're working on, they're spiting the very good-will and emotional investment that makes their job even possible.
If all these writers who hate continuity concerns were capable of producing successful work on their own without relying on those old continuities, then they would be doing it, because as people like Mark Millar have shown, it's far more personally rewarding and economically profitable. The fact that they're only writing in other people's worlds is a simple demonstration that they lack the ability or skill at this point in their career.
It's just such poor, poor character that lets a writer moan about the very thing that lets him make a living.
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I like the sound of your jibber jabber, Matt.
Those are the problems when you use a big event as your tentpole for the year/ season/whatever. Everything has pros and cons, and the con of a big event to offset the pro of sales numbers and exposure is making sure everything fits together, which is why RIP was just so hamfisted and really annoyed me. You can't pick and choose and expect people not to call you out on it when it just turns to bleh.
I think that worrying about where the blues were during FC is just the kind of thing that every writer is thinking of when they bemoan continuity in comics. It's completely unimportant.
See, but it's not. This is why it's so ridiculous when writers bemoan continuity.
It's not? Was it really that big of a deal that the lack of resolution with the blue lanterns influenced whether or not you enjoyed FC? Is it so beyond your imagination that they had other things to do? The universe is fairly large, I don't know if you're aware.
The rest of your post seems to be basically insulting the people who make your hobby possible. Because I guess if they write for Marvel or DC it's because they couldn't hack it on independent books? But, that's so mind bogglingly stupid, I don't really want to continue this discussion for fear that people will look down on me for arguing with the mentally handicapped.
I think that worrying about where the blues were during FC is just the kind of thing that every writer is thinking of when they bemoan continuity in comics. It's completely unimportant.
See, but it's not. This is why it's so ridiculous when writers bemoan continuity.
It's not? Was it really that big of a deal that the lack of resolution with the blue lanterns influenced whether or not you enjoyed FC? Is it so beyond your imagination that they had other things to do? The universe is fairly large, I don't know if you're aware.
The rest of your post seems to be basically insulting the people who make your hobby possible. Because I guess if they write for Marvel or DC it's because they couldn't hack it on independent books? But, that's so mind bogglingly stupid, I don't really want to continue this discussion for fear that people will look down on me for arguing with the mentally handicapped.
They're writing in a shared universe. They're paid to write in a shared universe. While it's not too late for them to say "Oh and the blues all had to go here!" or something, it's not an unreasonable expectation for them to say it. It isn't that you can't enjoy FC without having OH MY GOD WHERE ARE THE BLUES in the back of your mind, it's that it would make sense for the characters that they are writing to have a stake in it. This takes place before Final Crisis, so it makes so it's only natural to wonder where they are. Why? Because it's a shared universe. Where people interact. Together.
Sorry if I came off as too handicap for you to bother to read this post, though.
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I got what Matt wrote as this:
Creators can create what they want, no big deal. Willingham created the Fable-verse, Kirkman does his Walking Dead. Both create what they want to do within their own worlds.
When creators go to Marvel/DC/etc., there are certain things you have to work within, basically, a shared universe with rules already set in place. Working for the big 2 can be very profitable, but you have rules to stay in. You can't sign up with them and then complain about the lines you have to stay within (which is what Kirkman started moaning about with Marvel). A writer chooses which project he wants to work with, and then to just ignore past continuity is lazy and going against why you work with the established characters in the first place.
If a creator doesn't want to do independent work, that's fine, a lot of writers do better work within the big 2. Just don't get upset when you have restrictions on say, using Robin for ____ many issues while he and Cassie have a kid or something.
Now, a lot of that can be eased with proper editorial guidelines and actually standing up to creators, making sure they work within the vision set for the company. It's a shame that there isn't one person who takes the part of the bad guy it seems at either company, which you need (Keith Giffen probably comes closest). Not to scare them, but to let them be more honest with what they can and can't do within their abilities/timeframe. This is made worse because it's so incestuous in the industry, rarely letting the door in for others to do something else, everyone is scared to hurt another's feelings because they are interact with each other all the time.
They made Rage of the Red Lanterns a tie in to Final Crisis, to increase sales. That's fine, but realize you have a certain timeframe to work with. Also, it helps to not put a note saying *This takes place between FC 1 & 2*. The same with RIP tying into FC for the real ending.
It's not a big deal with the Blue Lanterns, really, but both companies get worse and worse with it, then get annoyed when they are asked about why things don't line up.
You may as well have wondered where the Batmen of Many Nations were during FC.
There simply wasn't a call for them, they were not necessary to move the story forward. Why not? Who the hell knows. But like scenes in a movie that either run too long, or distract from the narrative of the plot, they are not included in the final cut. The fact that you're boggling over the absence of the Blue Lanterns is a bit silly.
They were beside the point in the story of Final Crisis. Yes, they, and everyone else in the DC multiverse, were in mortal peril, but the storytellers did not deem them vital to the telling of the story. End.
Sageina, if your idea of intelligent writing is to immediately call people retarded when they disagree with you, that might be some clue as to why you feel so un-critical of writers who are otherwise lazy.
You may as well have wondered where the Batmen of Many Nations were during FC.
No, because there wasn't a one-shot called FC: Bat-Nation Aggravation.
I really don't mind certain continuity problems, as arcs make it harder to gauge where what falls, often with no follow up, but just appear to have your shit together when you do something. That Legion of 3 Worlds is still out there with a FC tag on it is really embarrassing, similar to Johns/Donner Action Comics when Kubert was on the book.
This also happened with Astonishing X-Men, as the book kept getting more and more delayed that it couldn't be the flagship book to which the others reacted to, so they finally had to let the others do their own thing. Kitty "dying" had to be spoiled in Uncanny X-Men because they couldn't hold onto dealing with a plot point just to let Cassady catch up.
Sageina, if your idea of intelligent writing is to immediately call people retarded when they disagree with you, that might be some clue as to why you feel so un-critical of writers who are otherwise lazy.
I didn't call you retarded because you disagreed with me, I called you retarded because you insulted comic creators just based on who they work for - which is a retarded thing to do. Considering how much better TexiKen made your point for you, I'm not changing it.
And I have no problem with requiring people who write for a shared universe to be bound by the current goings-on of that universe. But it's a completely different thing to bitch about the absence of something NOT in that story. Was there something in FC that didn't fit the current universe? That would be something to complain about. The absence of something unrelated? That's not.
I have an Iron Man comic from the late 90's/early aughts where he invents a time machine. He uses it for a crappy 3 issue adventure, it was never retconned. Do you worry in every marvel event where his time machine is? Why he doesn't use it to fix whatever happened?
The sad thing is that now you've told him about it, I think Matt probably will worry about that time machine.
I love continuity as much as the next guy, but there are limits. When people start complaining (using a recent example here) about Ghost Rider's depiction of "God" because it doesn't fit with a throw-away scene from a FF comic published a few years ago, it's time to take a deep breath and relax for a moment.
You may as well have wondered where the Batmen of Many Nations were during FC.
No, because there wasn't a one-shot called FC: Bat-Nation Aggravation.
I really don't mind certain continuity problems, as arcs make it harder to gauge where what falls, often with no follow up, but just appear to have your shit together when you do something. That Legion of 3 Worlds is still out there with a FC tag on it is really embarrassing, similar to Johns/Donner Action Comics when Kubert was on the book.
This also happened with Astonishing X-Men, as the book kept getting more and more delayed that it couldn't be the flagship book to which the others reacted to, so they finally had to let the others do their own thing. Kitty "dying" had to be spoiled in Uncanny X-Men because they couldn't hold onto dealing with a plot point just to let Cassady catch up.
To be fair- Rage of the Red Lanterns was not really a tie-in with Final Crisis like the other titles were. It was an editorial decision to tag it with that title in order to sell it. I sincerely doubt Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns intended to shoehorn it into the storyline in the same fashion as Superman Beyond, or Submit. Just as Legion of Three Worlds is an independent story that has little to no ties to the greater Final Crisis story (so far, anyways).
But I feel it's not really a continuity error or omission. And I hardly think it's worthy of the scorn your heaping upon it. But- it brings up a sore spot for you, and I'll grant you that continuity issues plague every genre of fiction out there. Trust me, I've heard some doozies lately, too. In the long run, though man- it's only comics.
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They showed God in Ghost Rider?
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But I feel it's not really a continuity error or omission. And I hardly think it's worthy of the scorn your heaping upon it. But- it brings up a sore spot for you, and I'll grant you that continuity issues plague every genre of fiction out there. Trust me, I've heard some doozies lately, too. In the long run, though man- it's only comics.
Right, but it's also a business. When you do stupid things that can affect your product, on top of having a niche product that needs to be finely tuned just to stay alive to keep it as an "idea vault" for other mediums, it hurts it in the long run. Maybe it's because the way comics work these days is completely different to what I've worked on and been taught, I don't know. I get upset about how Marvel markets their comics because I work in marketing and they don't really have an idea of what they're doing or being completely in sync (the Marvel Hollywood people are fantastic at it though).
Bill Rosemann was a genius at being the go-to person for everything regarding Marvel comics from interviews and having a single coherent though come from Marvel's mouth, he needs to get back to that role.
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So, why not keep them around? Why have this all end this year?
I feel like it'd be much more interesting to have them popping up around the universe, each doing their thing. Maybe neuter the Red a bit (since they're just killers), but given how large space is, it'd be nice to have a sort of galaxy-wide game of multi-color checkers going on.
Because if so, that is a waste, especially since every new corps outside of Sinestro has had about 5 minutes of screentime.
BTW, that Orange Hal is just completely retarded.
I can't link to a particular document, but I thought it was an understood part of the arc. If I'm mistaken, I'll be happy to hear it of course.
Part of what made me think this, I'm sure, is the fact that all of Blackest Night happens in between two issues of Final Crisis, meaning that Hal escapes as just a GL, and none of the other Corps seemed concerned about Final Crisis (i.e. they were absent). Frankly, I find it implausible that (a) the Sapphire Corps would be okay with Anti-Life spreading, and (b) the Blue Corps wouldn't be helping the GLs there.
Outside of Wonder Girl's outfit, I like that art a lot.
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Sins of the Star Sapphire, Rage of the Red Lanterns, and Agent Orange (pretty sure, will know for certain next week) happen between Final Crisis #1 and #2. Then FC #2 - 7 happens. Then, I think, the Emerald Eclipse arc in GLC. Then Blackest Night #0 and so on.
I see. But doesn't that still have the problem of the absence of the Blue Lanterns in FC?
Exactly. This was a reality-impacting event, but the Blues didn't show up to support the Greens? In particular, wouldn't a Corps built around Hope be particularly upset about Anti-Life taking over?
Then again, Blackest Night seems like it'd have been a nice prelude to FC. But that ship has sailed, come into port, and returned back for home.
2- Walker and Warth's mission was to assist Jordan in rescuing Sinestro from the Reds. We haven't seen what happens to the Blue Corps between the end of "Rage..." and the end of "Agent Orange" that might prevent them from assisting.
3- The Blue Corps might only exist to help during the War of Light/Blackest Night.
4- While it would have been convineient to have them around, the absence of the Blue Corps isn't really a problem. The GLs handled their part just fine.
Personally i don't think it would be all that bad if they lost the weird beige skirty thing and just gave her jeans also whats going on with the one armored boot thing?
Right, no, sorry. That must have been my unconscious attempt to rewrite reality. No. It's been delayed to May 13th.
Let's just hope this isn't a bad sign about George Perez's health.
Perez is one of those artists who will let you know when he can't get stuff done on time, he's not one of those nuvo-artistes out there now who think just because they take forever to do a book it automatically makes it better. When he broke his hand on JLA/Avengers he came right out and said it, but still did the book in a timely fashion.
See, but it's not. This is why it's so ridiculous when writers bemoan continuity.
If you don't want to write in a shared universe - if you don't want to take advantage of all the hard work your predecessors have put into setting up the stage - then why in the name of creation are you writing there in the first place? What's the point?
The only reason is just pure, crass commercialism, and that means that writer is just an ass, in my opinion. Artists create to make art, and if they make money then that's all the better. Unlike other ventures, where making money is an acceptable motivation, people who pretend to be artists just to make money are disgusting. Writers who complain about the very context they've chosen to inhabit for their work are some of the worst of this kind, because not only are they spiting the thing they're working on, they're spiting the very good-will and emotional investment that makes their job even possible.
If all these writers who hate continuity concerns were capable of producing successful work on their own without relying on those old continuities, then they would be doing it, because as people like Mark Millar have shown, it's far more personally rewarding and economically profitable. The fact that they're only writing in other people's worlds is a simple demonstration that they lack the ability or skill at this point in their career.
It's just such poor, poor character that lets a writer moan about the very thing that lets him make a living.
Those are the problems when you use a big event as your tentpole for the year/ season/whatever. Everything has pros and cons, and the con of a big event to offset the pro of sales numbers and exposure is making sure everything fits together, which is why RIP was just so hamfisted and really annoyed me. You can't pick and choose and expect people not to call you out on it when it just turns to bleh.
It's not? Was it really that big of a deal that the lack of resolution with the blue lanterns influenced whether or not you enjoyed FC? Is it so beyond your imagination that they had other things to do? The universe is fairly large, I don't know if you're aware.
The rest of your post seems to be basically insulting the people who make your hobby possible. Because I guess if they write for Marvel or DC it's because they couldn't hack it on independent books? But, that's so mind bogglingly stupid, I don't really want to continue this discussion for fear that people will look down on me for arguing with the mentally handicapped.
They're writing in a shared universe. They're paid to write in a shared universe. While it's not too late for them to say "Oh and the blues all had to go here!" or something, it's not an unreasonable expectation for them to say it. It isn't that you can't enjoy FC without having OH MY GOD WHERE ARE THE BLUES in the back of your mind, it's that it would make sense for the characters that they are writing to have a stake in it. This takes place before Final Crisis, so it makes so it's only natural to wonder where they are. Why? Because it's a shared universe. Where people interact. Together.
Sorry if I came off as too handicap for you to bother to read this post, though.
Creators can create what they want, no big deal. Willingham created the Fable-verse, Kirkman does his Walking Dead. Both create what they want to do within their own worlds.
When creators go to Marvel/DC/etc., there are certain things you have to work within, basically, a shared universe with rules already set in place. Working for the big 2 can be very profitable, but you have rules to stay in. You can't sign up with them and then complain about the lines you have to stay within (which is what Kirkman started moaning about with Marvel). A writer chooses which project he wants to work with, and then to just ignore past continuity is lazy and going against why you work with the established characters in the first place.
If a creator doesn't want to do independent work, that's fine, a lot of writers do better work within the big 2. Just don't get upset when you have restrictions on say, using Robin for ____ many issues while he and Cassie have a kid or something.
Now, a lot of that can be eased with proper editorial guidelines and actually standing up to creators, making sure they work within the vision set for the company. It's a shame that there isn't one person who takes the part of the bad guy it seems at either company, which you need (Keith Giffen probably comes closest). Not to scare them, but to let them be more honest with what they can and can't do within their abilities/timeframe. This is made worse because it's so incestuous in the industry, rarely letting the door in for others to do something else, everyone is scared to hurt another's feelings because they are interact with each other all the time.
They made Rage of the Red Lanterns a tie in to Final Crisis, to increase sales. That's fine, but realize you have a certain timeframe to work with. Also, it helps to not put a note saying *This takes place between FC 1 & 2*. The same with RIP tying into FC for the real ending.
It's not a big deal with the Blue Lanterns, really, but both companies get worse and worse with it, then get annoyed when they are asked about why things don't line up.
There simply wasn't a call for them, they were not necessary to move the story forward. Why not? Who the hell knows. But like scenes in a movie that either run too long, or distract from the narrative of the plot, they are not included in the final cut. The fact that you're boggling over the absence of the Blue Lanterns is a bit silly.
They were beside the point in the story of Final Crisis. Yes, they, and everyone else in the DC multiverse, were in mortal peril, but the storytellers did not deem them vital to the telling of the story. End.
Sageina, if your idea of intelligent writing is to immediately call people retarded when they disagree with you, that might be some clue as to why you feel so un-critical of writers who are otherwise lazy.
No, because there wasn't a one-shot called FC: Bat-Nation Aggravation.
I really don't mind certain continuity problems, as arcs make it harder to gauge where what falls, often with no follow up, but just appear to have your shit together when you do something. That Legion of 3 Worlds is still out there with a FC tag on it is really embarrassing, similar to Johns/Donner Action Comics when Kubert was on the book.
This also happened with Astonishing X-Men, as the book kept getting more and more delayed that it couldn't be the flagship book to which the others reacted to, so they finally had to let the others do their own thing. Kitty "dying" had to be spoiled in Uncanny X-Men because they couldn't hold onto dealing with a plot point just to let Cassady catch up.
I didn't call you retarded because you disagreed with me, I called you retarded because you insulted comic creators just based on who they work for - which is a retarded thing to do. Considering how much better TexiKen made your point for you, I'm not changing it.
And I have no problem with requiring people who write for a shared universe to be bound by the current goings-on of that universe. But it's a completely different thing to bitch about the absence of something NOT in that story. Was there something in FC that didn't fit the current universe? That would be something to complain about. The absence of something unrelated? That's not.
I have an Iron Man comic from the late 90's/early aughts where he invents a time machine. He uses it for a crappy 3 issue adventure, it was never retconned. Do you worry in every marvel event where his time machine is? Why he doesn't use it to fix whatever happened?
I love continuity as much as the next guy, but there are limits. When people start complaining (using a recent example here) about Ghost Rider's depiction of "God" because it doesn't fit with a throw-away scene from a FF comic published a few years ago, it's time to take a deep breath and relax for a moment.
But I feel it's not really a continuity error or omission. And I hardly think it's worthy of the scorn your heaping upon it. But- it brings up a sore spot for you, and I'll grant you that continuity issues plague every genre of fiction out there. Trust me, I've heard some doozies lately, too. In the long run, though man- it's only comics.
Right, but it's also a business. When you do stupid things that can affect your product, on top of having a niche product that needs to be finely tuned just to stay alive to keep it as an "idea vault" for other mediums, it hurts it in the long run. Maybe it's because the way comics work these days is completely different to what I've worked on and been taught, I don't know. I get upset about how Marvel markets their comics because I work in marketing and they don't really have an idea of what they're doing or being completely in sync (the Marvel Hollywood people are fantastic at it though).
Bill Rosemann was a genius at being the go-to person for everything regarding Marvel comics from interviews and having a single coherent though come from Marvel's mouth, he needs to get back to that role.