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Alberta gov't to make evolution classes optional under proposed law.
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I'm sorry, it's still remarkably hard to trump anything Alberta does. We're like that guy in the Guiness Book of Records who keeps beating his own record for doing what should have effectively killed him years ago.
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Frank Bruseker, the head of the Alberta Teachers' Association.
That was my science teacher in Junior High school. He was an alright teacher. He made a huge fireball once, but was nice enough to ask the front row to move back before doing so. I recall it singing the ceiling a little bit. The only other thing I remember about him was he got really really frustrated at one class (not mine) and had to go sit in his car for a few periods to cool off.
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Come on Alberta, seriously now, get with the program.
Where do you people get the right to decide which beliefs are right and wrong? That's what this mounts to. As an atheist if I don't want my child learning about creationism shouldn't I have the right to protect them from that? Or if I were a Jehovah's witness, shouldn't I be able to protect my child from discussions that are counter faith? It works both ways people.
I personally think it would be retarded to hold back any knowledge from someone who is learning about the world, but if we want freedoms and right's we need to respect other peoples freedoms as well.
This bullshit about how bad Alberta is is fucking retarded as well, painting any region in Canada with broad strokes sickens me. It's like the assholes who believe everybody in the maritimes is on pogey, or how B.C are just a bunch of hippies.
If you guys don't like here, it don't live here, or get voted into office so you can change it.
Science isn't a belief...it's science.
Dude you are SO....American.
I know, but some people like to believe God, or Aliens or some shit created us, not science. They want to raise their kids with their beliefs which may be ignorant. I think it sucks and that religions are a joke, but short taking the discussions totally out of schools, which would only hinder students whose parents want them to learn everything they can. This seems like a logical course of action. It's their child, right or wrong it's their choice what they learn and how they learn it. Really it's only wrong for people with countering beliefs.
The only people that this will effect are the people already pulling their kids from sex-ed and shit, nobody else will care.
Hey freedom rocks. But if your beliefs threaten the future of your kids whether it means not letting them hear about evolution or not letting them get treated by doctors then in my opinion that's criminal. No one is forcing evolution down anyone's throats you have all the time in the world after school to brainwash them with nonsense but to deny them basic knowledge is detrimental to the child and the community.
Oh hey some people that having sex with a child virgin will cure them of AIDS, well we can't tell them any different.
Fuck no. If creationism is part of the core curriculum, then students should be compelled to learn it, for all that it should never be taught. Whether it should be a (component of a) [core] subject or not is the debate that you should be getting into. Language, mathematics, basic science, history, civics... these should be compulsory at some level. Preventing a child from learning is abuse, and I'm sick of this inane pandering to that proportion of society who stifle and destroy the future of this world and declare it some service.
It's not 'your' damn kid - that child is a member of society, an agent with potential to reshape the entire world, and they belong to themselves. This possessive approach to child-rearing harms not only the young, but all of humanity. You have no right to bar a child from discovery - you may present an argument, but that which they wish to know must be open to them. You may be able to shape a child not to believe in reality, but, unfortunately, reality doesn't care.
This is what good parents do, like mine and those of many others I know. I don't understand why this is in fact controversial.
IMO, this is a case of the Opposition parties playing to their base, and a distraction from a much bigger issue with the legislation - Stelmach's overriding the recommendations of his own Minister and refusing to reign in the Alberta HRC's abuses of free speech and free press rights.
See, we really need to stop treating kids like property. The prents shouldn't just be able to do whatever the hell they feel like doing with them. Shit like this is important, it expands the mind and opens them up to knew ideas their redneck parents try to shelter them from.
You let crazy people raise their kids in a bubble, and you get CRAZIER people in the next generation.
What if you were in a Muslim country and teaching about Allah was part of the curriculum? If you were staunchly against religion and Mohammad's teachings, wouldn't you like to "insulate" your kids from it?
I don't see how... If something is being taught in school and you don't like it, regardless of whether it's science or religion, my point stands.
Well, that's your opinion, I suppose. And that goes along with the majority of people who live in North America. However, you're getting too hung up on the fact that what you believe, for the most part, jives with what is being taught in school (I assume).
Remove yourself from that situation and place yourself in another culture where perhaps the standard beliefs differ from your own. Now you've got the exact same situation, only reversed.
Religion : Don't ask questions, just believe what WE tell you to be true.
Science : Seek the truth, ask questions, have facts to back up your claim.
There's a big difference between preventing your children from learning how to be a sheep and preventing your kid from learning how to think for himself.
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Again, that's opinion speaking.
I'll dumb it down for you guys, since the mere mention of religion causes you to turn your brains off (which is strangely ironic):
You have a kid that goes to a certain school. Certain school is going to teach something (I'm not going to say what) in their curriculum that you are vehemently against. Should you have the right to decide to exclude your child from that class/lesson?
No. There should be a standardised education that everyone is required to complete. No individual choice of content, there's no other way to handle a massive system of schools. If that standardized system exclusively teaches religion instead of evolution then your society has degraded to the point where you have become Iran, congrats.
Honk said it best.
I hate this province.
The people are ignorant of the world around them more than enough as it is.
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It should be the public school's job to teach kids about sex. Sex education is very important and is something that all kids really need to know.
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I think it's the parent's job to teach their kids about sex in order to ensure they don't learn it from somebody who hates it, somebody who doesn't know about it or a pervert. You can rage all you want about how we should expose children to every different view no matter how controversial but the simple fact is that if you don't teach your own kids about sex, you don't know who is teaching them.
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By the way, your kid is going to learn a whole lot of shit from strangers. What's special about sex? Should kids learn about personal hygiene from strangers?
Teach your kids to deal with other people and other ideas, don't isolate them from each other.
God damn it, Quid.
I know we all had shitty teachers at some point or another, but schools aren't just grabbing homeless people off the street and going "hey, wanna talk to some kids about fuckin'?"
It's a quote from Southpark, damnit.
It should be the school's job to teach children about sex in order to ensure they don't learn it from somebody who hates it, somebody who doesn't know about it or a pervert. Not all parents are willing or able to give their children proper sex education and it isn't right to leave children's understanding of this extremely fucking important topic up to chance. Also, getting sex ed at school in no way prevents kids from being taught by their parents as well.
Which was my original example (Iran or a similar type country), that for some reason was very hard for people to understand. So if something "wrong" (and I use that term vaguely on purpose) is being taught to our kids, we should just look the other way because, hey, it's a standardized curriculum, who am I to argue?
There's a lot of wishy-washiness in this forum with regards to public education. Apparently it is both perfect and inherently flawed.
I think it's the parent's job to teach their kids about sex in order to ensure they don't learn it from somebody who hates it, somebody who doesn't know about it or a pervert.
That. Is a Southpark quote.
From the sex ed episode, at the end, Chef tells them that they need to not let schools teach it.