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[Can of worms] only 1 of 12 PS2 games tested on EUR PS3 worked
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Cynamite.de, german gaming page got their euro PS3 and tested how good the EUR PS3's backwards compatibility is in reality. Well, not surprisingly, it wasn't very good at all. From twelve tested high profile games, only Eragon worked. Rest asked to wait for patch. Here is list complete list of tested games:
- God of War
- MGS 2: Sons of Liberty
- MGS 3: Snake Eater
- Shadow of the Colossus
- Guitar Hero 2
- Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
- Okami
- GTA: Liberty City Stories
- Eragon
- Final Fantasy X-2
- Ratchet & Clank 3
- Lumines Plus
http://www.cynamite.de/ps3/news/more/abwaertskompatibilitaet_der_ps3_so_siehts_aus/80987/abwaertskompatibilitaet_der_ps3_so_siehts_aus.html
- God of War
- MGS 2: Sons of Liberty
- MGS 3: Snake Eater
- Shadow of the Colossus
- Guitar Hero 2
- Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
- Okami
- GTA: Liberty City Stories
- Eragon
- Final Fantasy X-2
- Ratchet & Clank 3
- Lumines Plus
http://www.cynamite.de/ps3/news/more/abwaertskompatibilitaet_der_ps3_so_siehts_aus/80987/abwaertskompatibilitaet_der_ps3_so_siehts_aus.html
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i know for one guitar hero2 still doesnt work on US ps3's to my knowledge.
By my understanding, it works, but official PS2 controller adapter doesn't recognise it because it doesn't have an analog stick.
"Das Ergebnis war ernüchternd: Von den zwölf Spielen lief exakt eins, nämlich Eragon. Alle anderen Titel verweigerten mit dem Verweis auf zukünftige Software-Updates und Sonys Website zur Abwärtskompatibilität den Dienst. Zumindest von Sony-Titeln wie God of War oder Ratchet & Clank 3 hätten wir erwartet, dass diese auch auf der PS3 funktionieren."
Rough translation from Babelfish:
"The result was ernuechternd: From the twelve plays accurately one ran, i.e. Eragon. All other titles refused the service with the reference to future software updates and Sonys Website to the downward compatibility. At least of Sony titles such as God OF was or Ratchet & Clank 3 we would have expected that these function also on the PS3."
"The result was ernüchternd: From the twelve plays accurately one ran, i.e. Eragon. All other titles refused the service with the reference to future software updates and Sony Website to the downward compatibility. At least of Sony titles such as God OF was or Ratchet & Clank 3 we would have expected that these function also on the PS3.
Naturally meant that that the tested titles will never run on a PlayStation3, finally does not want to improve Sony the compatibility by updates of the system software. However so far still no update for a PAL-PS3 is available, which runs on delivery with the system software 1,50. We hope that Sony will publish as time near as possible to European release an appropriate update, otherwise might PS3-Käufer with PS2-Spielesammlung a disappointment experience."
God bless the horrible translation of google.
But it could have been something completely different. Who knows.
Then again, we really shouldn't have gotten our hopes up. Even with the "target" of 1,000 games compatable, wikipedia says there's 8,500 PS2 games out there. That's a pretty low percentage.
Um. There goddamn well better be, because if Shadow of the fucking Collosus doesn't work, then that's not good.
The PS2 was the most popular console of last generation. That means it got the most crap. Most people aren't going to be upset that Big Mutha Truckers and White Van Racer aren't PS3 compatible.
But the problem is that generic bulk crap is far easier to emulate than highly optimized AAA title. That's why Xbox 360 compatibility list has so many bad games on it.
i mean, i bet its probably going to be the exact same system as the 360.
a bunch of crappy games and a few good ones, too many fans of the other games crying that "such and such isnt BC"
as it is, this german website tested exactly .141176% of the games if that 8500 number is to be believed.
EDIT: WHITE VAN RACER ISNT BC, DIE SONY PIGS!
The problem is that, for the most part, the good games use more complex programming tricks and are harder to emulate. Just look at all the crap that's on the 360's BC list. White Van Racer may indeed be on the list, if it isn't programmed complexly.
Is complexly a word? Because dammit, it should be.
Edit: Beat'd.
But Cynamite tested games that gamers actually care about.
i'm sure there are just as many PS2 owners whom dont care about those games as the ones that do.
like i said, i'd put 20 bucks on a day one update anyway to fix most if not all of the games up there aside from guitar hero.
Except for the one that worked. With the entire PS2 library at their disposal, people shouldn't care about the Eragon game. Especially since the movie sucked as bad as it did.
Yes, but it's an important .1%. I would rather have MGS2/3, SotC, Ico, and Okami run and nothing else work than have everything but those five games run, and I think most here feel the same way (albeit with a different "short list" of important titles).
Hence the (apparent) problem.
what are they at most... 5-10 million?
Edit: i mean, okami's sales numbers were poor werent they? lower than expected at least.
but i mean, with europes love of MGS3 online, no way thats not going to get updated day one.
I'm going to go all Hitchhikers guide here "DONT PANIC!" there will be a day one update.
GTA, MGS2, MGS3, and God of War sold are the best selling games on the PS2.
i'd probably guess less than 1/10th the total number of ps2's sold worldwide to date.
And you had better believe they should have the GTA titles ready even before those.
I'm still willing to give Sony a pass on NERD RAGE!!! until launch day, but after that all gloves are off.
ie - none of those games should have worked.
No. They are dropping the hardware that makes emulating the PS2 easy.
And your point would be what, exactly?
If some of the top-selling games don't work, there's plenty of people who are going to be pissed. And the very, very low rate of success in the test suggests that there are a lot of other games that don't work either. Sure, it could be that the magazine blundered into 11 games that don't work even though most of them do, but statistically, that's very, VERY unlikely.
Edit: Szechuanosaurus, Sony is dropping hardware-based BC to focus on making money.
http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=&console=PS2&publisher=&sort=Total
for lazy people, the top 10 best-selling PS2 games (in order) are:
Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto 3
Gran Turismo 4
Final Fantasy X
Need for Speed: Underground
Medal Of Honour Frontline
Need for Speed: Underground 2
Metal Gear Solid 2
edit: The list is probably slightly out of date, since GTASA got a Japan release since the list was last updated and might be in the top spot now.
I'm just saying that as much as we care about those games, we are an extremely tiny slice of the pie here. yes they are popular games, yes in all likely hood there will be a day one patch addressing at least MGS3 and God of War, probably more off that list, but in the grand scheme of things, thats 12 games out of the entire lineup, which is to say the least... massive.
Zephos's bullet points before he goes to work:
Edit: this edit is likley to make me late for work, but the Warlock i love you.
see, look at the list, 14 million for top seller, 1/10th of what the ps2's total worldwide sales equal.
Seriously, though, no Metal Gear Solid 2 or 3? No God of War? With so few games designed specifically for the PS3 right now, who in their right minds would even consider buying one when the backward compatibility is so badly gimped? If ever there was a reason for a European backlash against Sony products, this would be it.
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Somebody who wants a Blu-Ray player? Somebody who doesn't care about back compatibility? Somebody who wants to play Resistance and Gran Turismo HD who happens to have $500/$600 to burn?
Lots of people wants PS3s for lots of different reasons.
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First off, those top selling games aren't all bought by the same person; they're spread out among different people. Upwards of 40 million people could own one of the affected games. Math math lol.
Second, we are looking at a small slice of the pie, but the fact that so many good games don't work doesn't make it seem MORE likely that the games you own and care about will work. Statistically speaking, it makes it less likely.
Third, don't have unwavering faith in the invisible hand. The invisible hand hasn't fixed the 1080i problem, now did it?
Fourth, one blessedly good conference does not a streak make, and it doesn't magically innoculate Sony from any future screw-ups.
Honestly, we don't know the extent of BC on PS3 at this point, but this list (if true) is a pretty big bad sign.
Yup. Rockstar ported it to PS2. Same goes for Vice City Stories.
Yeah, that and Lumines are what's really worrisome. SotC and MGS3 not working day one is unfortunate, but it's a natural consequence of using software emulation that the more complicated titles don't work. If they can't get PSP ports to work yet, though, that's a much bigger indicator that their emulator's not up to snuff.
The truth right there. And thats what scares me. Crappy-movie-about-cgi-animals-generic-3D-platform-games will be made from all the base code libaries and so emulated very easily - all the good games pushed the machine with nonstandard use of libraries etc.
So overall we will see a lot of fluff work, but the meat not.
And too me at least it's a huge deal. I love Backwards Compatibilty. For me a game doesn't stop existing just because it's old - and yet my TV only has three inputs. So having two boxes under the tv is a big deal (before you say it - switchers lower the quality of the signal IMHO).
At the end of this generation, when the 360 announced it would have shitty BC I decided to buy a cheap xbox and wait till I could get a PS3 and have that be my PS2 player. Now the PS3 is having such a slow start, and it's BC is fucked too - I need to buy a PS2 FIRST.
I see no reason in buying a PS3 till I've played through the fun on the PS2. So they've lost a customer for 2 or 3 years.
Twats.
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Let's talk about what's important: North American BC.
The PS3s on the shelf right now have a 98%-99% BC ability, but what about the ones that start shipping in April without the EE chip?
If this is any indication, the PS3s from April on will be permanently gimped. I also remember an interview with one of the Sony higher-ups saying BC compatibility was not a priority, and Sony would be focusing on PS3 games and Blu-ray junk, not BC.
I'm not seeing how this is helping in getting slow-selling systems into people's homes.