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Vista/Dx10 games running on XP
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It appears that for Shadowrun at least, there is no reason other than OS propagation that it is 'Vista-only', seeing as DirectX 10 does not operate on XP, it is fully DirectX 9 compatible.
This has nothing to do with the Falling Leaf compatibility library stuff either.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40538
Not news for most, but just thought some proof was at least interesting.
This has nothing to do with the Falling Leaf compatibility library stuff either.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40538
Not news for most, but just thought some proof was at least interesting.
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edit: LaCabra, the idea was that Microsoft was saying this would only possibly run on Vista because it needs the newest DirectExes or whatever, and a goddamn warez group, of all things, managed to get it to run on XP.
The idea being spread was that it required Vista because it required DirectX 10. It doesn't. That's what this is proof of.
In any case, I'd have to agree that it's really going around things the wrong way. They need to value add via other means, not false tweaks.
That said, apparently Halo 2 for XP runs like an absolute dog. Not sure whether it's via a similar method of 'cracking' or not.
I hear it runs shitty on Vista, too, though. The PC port of Halo 1 was rushed, unoptopmized garbage, so I'm inclined to believe it.
Oh, I'm sure it does. But I think it's even worse with the hack they used to get it running under XP.
That and a general purpose loader.exe, so all DX10 run on XP.
I am a gamer, and I dont want to buy Vista. Thanks, but no, thanks.
It's cute/amusing to see people say things like: So the next hack will be to make a patch for DX10 to install in XP. While they're at it why don't they make the next hack one that brings over WDDM.. well, if you're going to do that why not bring the new kernel, too ? ;-)
Oh yeah, let's all not buy Vista, let's stick with a subpar OS like XP instead of going to the new one which offers so many benefits. Hey guys, don't worry about FF/IE7, IE6 totally rocks.
Who was spreading that specific idea ?
Both Halo2 and Shadowrun used to be on the NVNews forums list of Dx10 games, which subsequently got added to wikipedia's list of Dx10 games.
The point is, if the only people saying H2V/ShadowRun were Vista-only because of issues relating to DX10 are random people on the interwebs than those who are getting their panties in a knot over this being 'proof' are quite silly.
Hell, even that Falling Leaf 'project' is focused on DirectX 10 wrapping on Windows XP.
So, there's probably no 'official' quote, but it's the sense that most people got from the coverage.
Its called backport.
XP, and even Windows 2000 isn't subpar. There are virtually no benefits for me to upgrade to Vista, and I imagine it is the same for many other PC owners.
Benefits include new software and hardware designed/supported specifically for Vista.
I'm not planning on upgrading to Vista for some time.... If that means no new games then I'll have to stick to console ports of PC games :P
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I just upgraded not but a year ago, dropped over a grand on this CPU, now I'm faced with having to basically build an all new PC to get Vista running smoothly. I think I'll just wait for newer hardware to come out and prices to drop.... Maybe the library of games for DX10 will have grown by then.
Yeah, that's kinda what I was saying. Just a misunderstanding on some forum.
Oh noes, the crappy winmodens, and winprinters all again?
RUN, RUN FOR TEH HILLS!!!
Well considering you're asking inside the G&T forum. We enjoying playing video games. If you can point us in the direction of an operating system that actually plays games as easily as XP does, then I'll switch right on over.
But the Mac/Linux/Unix OS doesn't offer shit support for video games. And that's the only selling point for XP for me.
Plus its easy to tweak/hack.
But you keep on being silly.
'Subpar OS', haha
Yeah, you're right. I should run out and spend HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS everytime a new OS comes out, whether or not my old one still works, just because the new one is shinier.
And I'm not making fun of Vista there. Honestly I DO want it, and the main reason IS because of howshiny it is, but it's not a couple hundred dollars worth of shiny.
And your browser comment makes me laugh because I actually hate BOTH FF and IE7. My browser ofchoice is Avant which, as it so happens, is based on IE6.
Here's a newsflash: somepeople don't like the same things that you like.
XP sure is sub par, what with those working drivers and huge install base, plus the enormous software library already available to us.
I will never go back. The only problem I had was finding drivers for my sound card because Creative's site was setup stupidly.
Runs great and I've had no issues. Plus my system is like 3 years old.
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As for the topic keeping XP people from playing Shadowrun was pretty stupid. A multiplayer game needs as big a community as it can get. If it was for the Windows Live stuff then I understand, but maybe they should have made an XP version of that :P
Hey, if I got Ultimate for free, I'd use it.
RIght now the best I can do is get Business from my school for 80-90 bucks. Or, for free, I can keep using XP.
I have expenses. It's an easy choice.
But a DX10 card as to support DX9.
And, Why would a game programer code a game *only* for DX10? to sell less?
IS it any more bizarre as GFW Live itself?
I mean, they created a solution for a problem that didn't exist. where do you go from there.
We know the answeris fourty-two, but we forgot to find out the question first.
There isn't really anything wrong with OS X/Linux that inhibits a developer's ability to make games for either of those operating systems, just that most of them are bastards and decide to use DirectX instead of OpenGL.
id Software has Doom 3 and Quake 4 on Linux, and Epic Games has UT2004 running on them. Maybe Unreal Engine 3 will support Linux at some point as well. A long while back they mentioned that the editor was being ported to wxWindows (a GUI tookit) so it (the editor) will run on Linux and OS X.
Userbase?
If you're not an incompetent developer it shouldn't require much effort to port an application/game to another OS. There is a reason why I mentioned DirectX, and that is because if you're using an operating system specific API with no abstraction you're probably doing things wrong.
It may not take much effort, but it also may not be worth what little effort it takes.
I have nothing against people who choose to use non Windows OSes, but I marvel sometimes at their lack of understanding as to why so many games don't come out for their platforms.
It is kind of like wondering why FF:TA never came out for the Ngage.
Edit: Oh and it's totally fucking free. Even playing games online is free, tough concept for MS to beat.
Currently GFWL is essentially what Xbox Live was when it first hit. As such, it's fairly underwhelming.
For me it's just a nice freebie I get with my essential-for-360-ownership Xbox Live account.
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I don't know about that. Even if only 10,000 Linux users were to buy a game because of Linux support, that would still be an extra 500k in revenue (not accounting for whatever the retail margins are on PC games). Even if only 10% of that were profit it would probably cover one programmer's salary for a year (depending on where they live and experience, etc.). Practically speaking nearly all of that should be profit because if the game is well written it shouldn't be very difficult to port it to another platform, and most of the development cost is supposed to be recouped from your primary audience, i.e. the Windows crowd.
I don't think it would be hard to imagine that more than 10k Linux users would buy a game that supported their OS of choice, and then there is the fact that a game that is easy to port to Linux should also be easy to port to OS X.
I'm sure many people who don't use Windows understand why games aren't developed for their OS of choice.
I also make it a point to avoid supporting developers who don't support my platform of choice. It doesn't matter that I could reboot and switch to Windows 2000 to install/play a game, because that is a big inconvenience for me. Having to stop what you're doing and close everything out to reboot just so you can play a deathmatch or two with some friends who just called/IMed you is really annoying, so I don't do it