I was playing Half-Life when I was 12 and yet I still think it's weird hearing all the 12 year olds in my classes go on about Call of Duty
Guess I'm a hypocrite
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edited October 2010
just looking at the first two pictures alone, i hope my governor punches that dude in the fuckin face
i dont think m-rated games should be sold to minors, really
regardless of whether or not "oh, in this case it's okay for this 16 year old to purhcase this particular game", do we as a society want to condone violence as an acceptable means of entertainment, for youth in particular?
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edited October 2010
i was murdering space pirates and genociding gaian freaks at age 12
I was playing Half-Life when I was 12 and yet I still think it's weird hearing all the 12 year olds in my classes go on about Call of Duty
Guess I'm a hypocrite
Yeah this pretty much sums me up.
The other day I was with a friend in gamestop and this mom was buying Gears of War 2 for her kid, and arguing with the clerk when he tried to talk her out of it. I tell my friend "Dude, I can't believe she's getting that for her kid, what the hell is she thinking", and he says "yeah, because we totally weren't playing Counter Strike and Metal Gear Solid at his age."
I didn't really have anything to say to that. What can you say? "Games were different then"? "We were more mature"?
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So in the US, if the store doesn't have a policy against it, you can sell any sort of violent shit to children and whatnot? If I've got the wrong end of the stick here, feel free to correct me.
I know over here if you get caught selling things to people underage you can be fined a hefty amount
How do the age ratings there work? Here we have U (Universal - Suitable for all) PG (Parental Guidance - Might not be suitable for younger/more sensitive viewers) 12A (Not suitable for under 12s without parents consent), then 15, and 18 which aren't allowed for sale to anyone under that age
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So in the US, if the store doesn't have a policy against it, you can sell any sort of violent shit to children and whatnot? If I've got the wrong end of the stick here, feel free to correct me.
I know over here if you get caught selling things to people underage you can be fined a hefty amount
How do the age ratings there work? Here we have U (Universal - Suitable for all) PG (Parental Guidance - Might not be suitable for younger/more sensitive viewers) 12A (Not suitable for under 12s without parents consent), then 15, and 18 which aren't allowed for sale to anyone under that age
MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
edited October 2010
You know what would be great?
If retailers refused to sell sexually or violently explicit games to children without their parent's permission, and if there was some way for parents to go online and actually examine the description of the content of the game, so that if, say, they had a real problem with fucking hookers and then killing them to get your money back but didn't have so much of a problem with killing digital Nazis, they could evaluate the content without having to actually play it and make an informed decision as to whether to allow their children to play the game.
If this law said "no retailer may sell games rated by the ESRB to persons who do not meet the suggested age requirements for the title without a parent or legal guardian present" I would be totally, absolutely fine with it.
I just think it's a terrible fucking idea to let politics dictate what counts as obscene or not in this medium, or you're going to end up with games getting rated "M" because it has fags in it.
If retailers refused to sell sexually or violently explicit games to children without their parent's permission, and if there was some way for parents to go online and actually examine the description of the content of the game, so that if, say, they had a real problem with fucking hookers and then killing them to get your money back but didn't have so much of a problem with killing digital Nazis, they could evaluate the content without having to actually play it and make an informed decision as to whether to allow their children to play the game.
If this law said "no retailer may sell games rated by the ESRB to persons who do not meet the suggested age requirements for the title without a parent or legal guardian present" I would be totally, absolutely fine with it.
I just think it's a terrible fucking idea to let politics dictate what counts as obscene or not in this medium, or you're going to end up with games getting rated "M" because it has fags in it.
Governments using the ESRB ratings as the standard for what is legal/illegal to sell has been held to be an unconstitutional delegation of power because the ESRB is a private entity so there is no government oversight and no way for the public to petition the ESRB or influence its regulations.
They would have to make the ESRB an agency like the FCC or the FTC and I would not be in favor of that
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
If retailers refused to sell sexually or violently explicit games to children without their parent's permission, and if there was some way for parents to go online and actually examine the description of the content of the game, so that if, say, they had a real problem with fucking hookers and then killing them to get your money back but didn't have so much of a problem with killing digital Nazis, they could evaluate the content without having to actually play it and make an informed decision as to whether to allow their children to play the game.
If this law said "no retailer may sell games rated by the ESRB to persons who do not meet the suggested age requirements for the title without a parent or legal guardian present" I would be totally, absolutely fine with it.
I just think it's a terrible fucking idea to let politics dictate what counts as obscene or not in this medium, or you're going to end up with games getting rated "M" because it has fags in it.
Governments using the ESRB ratings as the standard for what is legal/illegal to sell has been held to be an unconstitutional delegation of power because the ESRB is a private entity so there is no government oversight and no way for the public to petition the ESRB or influence its regulations.
They would have to make the ESRB an agency like the FCC or the FTC and I would not be in favor of that
huh
didn't think about that at first
but honestly I'm fairly satisfied with the job the ESRB is doing
I would gladly sign on to a petition to refuse to patronize retail establishments that violated their warnings
seems like it would be just as effective as this legislation
which I suppose brings us back to the piece you cited in the OP demonstrating that good policy is usually trumped by good campaigning
Video games have eroded all sense of decency, so I can suggest anything. Like that parents should take interest in their kid's school work, because if you don't give a shit, why should the people that look up to you care?
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If retailers refused to sell sexually or violently explicit games to children without their parent's permission, and if there was some way for parents to go online and actually examine the description of the content of the game, so that if, say, they had a real problem with fucking hookers and then killing them to get your money back but didn't have so much of a problem with killing digital Nazis, they could evaluate the content without having to actually play it and make an informed decision as to whether to allow their children to play the game.
If this law said "no retailer may sell games rated by the ESRB to persons who do not meet the suggested age requirements for the title without a parent or legal guardian present" I would be totally, absolutely fine with it.
I just think it's a terrible fucking idea to let politics dictate what counts as obscene or not in this medium, or you're going to end up with games getting rated "M" because it has fags in it.
Governments using the ESRB ratings as the standard for what is legal/illegal to sell has been held to be an unconstitutional delegation of power because the ESRB is a private entity so there is no government oversight and no way for the public to petition the ESRB or influence its regulations.
They would have to make the ESRB an agency like the FCC or the FTC and I would not be in favor of that
huh
didn't think about that at first
but honestly I'm fairly satisfied with the job the ESRB is doing
I would gladly sign on to a petition to refuse to patronize retail establishments that violated their warnings
seems like it would be just as effective as this legislation
which I suppose brings us back to the piece you cited in the OP demonstrating that good policy is usually trumped by good campaigning
Exactly. I am satisfied with the ESRB so I do not see why government needs to be involved when they just want to duplicate the ESRB
Parents should know what their kids are buying/playing. It takes 2 seconds to check what your kid is doing in the basement/living room/their room
If parents are paying for the games, don't support establishments that don't follow the ESRB.
Also, all the consoles have parental controls and I'm fairly certain you can find some for PCs too
But politicians need that "CORRUPTING OUR YOUTH" platform to run on (see Comic books, "slasher movies," rap, rock and roll, Elvis's hips, "crime stories" and crime trading cards)
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
edited October 2010
personally I would let my twelve year old child play bioshock
just because I don't have a problem with my children learning to shoot objectivists
Some parents don't give a shit about what their kids do, either because they don't care or because they believe their kids "know best". The issue doesn't lie with games, or movies, or guns or sharp objects or fire it lies with the parents.
And really, if a little kid who can barely reach the top of the counter wants to buy GTAIV or whatever, common sense should tell the clerk not to sell it.
Except maybe when they're working at Gamestop.
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Man I played Wolfenstien and Doom before I was twelve
if only there had been some sort of rating system to warn me.
Instead my friends showed me a game where you could actually shoot guys and there was blood and in Doom there was a chainsaw and it was totally fucking awesome.
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To my understanding part of the controversy is that in the States, it's not actually against the law to sell age-restricted content to minors (it just tends to go against store policy)
In the UK it is illegal to supply both games and films to underage consumers, but in the States it currently isn't, so making such a law apply to games alone is pretty skewed
Shit its actually illegal to do that here? So if a parent buys a game for a child who's underage they're breaking the law?
Retailers can't sell them to children. Parents can buy them for their kids if they want.
PolecatWhat does the polecat say?Registered Userregular
edited October 2010
When I worked for G.S. two co-workers got fired for selling m-rated games underage. So at least in our district its relatively strict.
That being said, I dealt with so many moronic parents that bought their little brats whatever the hell they wanted, regardless of me saying "This game is rated mature for intense violence, sexual themes, nudity, language, drug use, blah blah blah..." Very rarely did a warning from one of us stop a parent from buying a game.
It's like parents today don't want to deal with their kids being cry babies so they give them w.e. they want. Now one of the very first games I ever played was wolfenstein 3-d so my parents didn't really seem to care either... well I did have to take doom 2 back
I'm fine with a law requiring an adult to be there to buy an M-rated game because things wouldn't change much in terms of service around me. However it's not going to fix lazy ignorant parents that don't give a damn about what their kids do.
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Don't know what trustworthiness of parents has to do with anything
i'd recognize that crude approximation of critical thought anywhere
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I was playing Half-Life when I was 12 and yet I still think it's weird hearing all the 12 year olds in my classes go on about Call of Duty
Guess I'm a hypocrite
i dont think m-rated games should be sold to minors, really
regardless of whether or not "oh, in this case it's okay for this 16 year old to purhcase this particular game", do we as a society want to condone violence as an acceptable means of entertainment, for youth in particular?
Yeah this pretty much sums me up.
The other day I was with a friend in gamestop and this mom was buying Gears of War 2 for her kid, and arguing with the clerk when he tried to talk her out of it. I tell my friend "Dude, I can't believe she's getting that for her kid, what the hell is she thinking", and he says "yeah, because we totally weren't playing Counter Strike and Metal Gear Solid at his age."
I didn't really have anything to say to that. What can you say? "Games were different then"? "We were more mature"?
fucking mind worms
I know over here if you get caught selling things to people underage you can be fined a hefty amount
How do the age ratings there work? Here we have U (Universal - Suitable for all) PG (Parental Guidance - Might not be suitable for younger/more sensitive viewers) 12A (Not suitable for under 12s without parents consent), then 15, and 18 which aren't allowed for sale to anyone under that age
http://www.esrb.org/index-js.jsp
If retailers refused to sell sexually or violently explicit games to children without their parent's permission, and if there was some way for parents to go online and actually examine the description of the content of the game, so that if, say, they had a real problem with fucking hookers and then killing them to get your money back but didn't have so much of a problem with killing digital Nazis, they could evaluate the content without having to actually play it and make an informed decision as to whether to allow their children to play the game.
that would be a great way of doing things
If this law said "no retailer may sell games rated by the ESRB to persons who do not meet the suggested age requirements for the title without a parent or legal guardian present" I would be totally, absolutely fine with it.
I just think it's a terrible fucking idea to let politics dictate what counts as obscene or not in this medium, or you're going to end up with games getting rated "M" because it has fags in it.
damnit
you don't have to click it
just hover over the link in that post
also turn on your irony detector
Governments using the ESRB ratings as the standard for what is legal/illegal to sell has been held to be an unconstitutional delegation of power because the ESRB is a private entity so there is no government oversight and no way for the public to petition the ESRB or influence its regulations.
They would have to make the ESRB an agency like the FCC or the FTC and I would not be in favor of that
huh
didn't think about that at first
but honestly I'm fairly satisfied with the job the ESRB is doing
I would gladly sign on to a petition to refuse to patronize retail establishments that violated their warnings
seems like it would be just as effective as this legislation
which I suppose brings us back to the piece you cited in the OP demonstrating that good policy is usually trumped by good campaigning
Exactly. I am satisfied with the ESRB so I do not see why government needs to be involved when they just want to duplicate the ESRB
Parents should know what their kids are buying/playing. It takes 2 seconds to check what your kid is doing in the basement/living room/their room
If parents are paying for the games, don't support establishments that don't follow the ESRB.
Also, all the consoles have parental controls and I'm fairly certain you can find some for PCs too
But politicians need that "CORRUPTING OUR YOUTH" platform to run on (see Comic books, "slasher movies," rap, rock and roll, Elvis's hips, "crime stories" and crime trading cards)
just because I don't have a problem with my children learning to shoot objectivists
(I'm not serious)
(I'm serious)
That's another problem with enforcing arbitrary lines based on age; not all kids develop at the same rate
Guess who would know best what children can handle?
And really, if a little kid who can barely reach the top of the counter wants to buy GTAIV or whatever, common sense should tell the clerk not to sell it.
Except maybe when they're working at Gamestop.
And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
if only there had been some sort of rating system to warn me.
Instead my friends showed me a game where you could actually shoot guys and there was blood and in Doom there was a chainsaw and it was totally fucking awesome.
Now I'm a murderer
Dear satan I wish for this or maybe some of this....oh and I'm a medium or a large.
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Entertainment Consumers Association
www.theeca.com
are you in a league?
As a gamer, I
That being said, I dealt with so many moronic parents that bought their little brats whatever the hell they wanted, regardless of me saying "This game is rated mature for intense violence, sexual themes, nudity, language, drug use, blah blah blah..." Very rarely did a warning from one of us stop a parent from buying a game.
It's like parents today don't want to deal with their kids being cry babies so they give them w.e. they want. Now one of the very first games I ever played was wolfenstein 3-d so my parents didn't really seem to care either... well I did have to take doom 2 back
I'm fine with a law requiring an adult to be there to buy an M-rated game because things wouldn't change much in terms of service around me. However it's not going to fix lazy ignorant parents that don't give a damn about what their kids do.