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  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Edited, cause I didn't think it came across as funny as it was in my head.

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  • tyrannustyrannus Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    did we make fun of the 0% captial gains for all brackets thing yet

    because that's just funny.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    tyrannus wrote:
    did we make fun of the 0% captial gains for all brackets thing yet

    because that's just funny.

    we certainly can. it was worth the funny being poked at it.

  • DeebaserDeebaser Lead Frog Rammer Fake Board GamerRegistered User regular
    Capital gains is just double taxation! I theoretically paid taxes on my fortune when I inherited it! Why should the taxman abscond with my dubloons at musketpoint?

  • tyrannustyrannus Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    hey rich people, stop using super secret foreign banks for your investments! stop buying houses! I got your tax shelter right here! you'll never have to pay tax agaaaaain

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  • Boring7Boring7 Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    jbragg wrote:
    The question, as did many in that debate, openly proposed that the candidate was a hypocrite. And to go back to what Fencingsax said, man, do they really want Perry.

    Perry is the "True Heir to the Throne" as determined by the shadowy oligarchs that run the GOP. It is one of those open secrets that Republican political players like to retire to Texas and Texas is where the big oil money is. Ever since he first started running for re-election Perry's game has been one well-orchestrated passion play of the Returning King.

    It started with beating Hutchison the pretender and White the Barbarian to retain control of the lands of Texas where his political predecessor King Dubya had left him. (I can't remember the line, but during his governor's race Perry said something that basically admitted, "re-elect me because I need the governorship to springboard for the presidency")

    Then he traveled the realms, seeing many things and spreading the word that the current king was wicked and evil and should not be obeyed. And many people, (often paid by him) would publicly ask him, "won't you run? Won't you go to Washington and retake the throne o mighty young lord?" Again and again, Prince Perry denied the call, saying, "Yeah verily, to go to DC is to go mad like King Dubya. I shall not seek the throne, for I do not wish the crown."

    And things grew worse, and the armies of the Great Old Patriots who sought return of the True Bloodline to the throne did bicker over which general might lead the armies. But the generals were weak and the armies did falter and lament. "Oh won't a true leader, a noble of The Blood come and save us?!" they were paid to say.

    And as the bickering and battles between the generals of the GOP did bicker Perry returned, hung his head and lamented, "for the good of the land, for righteousness, I hear your call and accept it. Though I do not wish it I shall take command of the armies and seek to reclaim the Throne!"

    And his shadowy backers did clap their hands with glee.

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  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Rick Perry is John Zapolya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Z%C3%A1polya). He will reclaim the throne for the pride of the Ottoman Empire Hungary!

    Sorry, been reading history lately.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Registered User regular
    The highlights of this leave me wondering if it was a cage match or just a giant subliminal commercial for Texas. What actually happened, did anyone "win" that was actually there?

  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    I totally missed this as I was asked to stay for a few extra hours at work and was elated that I was doing something constructive with my time rather than watching a live stream of talking points.

    Did I happen to miss anything genuinely interesting? Sounds like it was, Blah blah, homo/xenophobia, blah blah, obamacare, blah, Reagan, blah blah Roll credits.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    I totally missed this as I was asked to stay for a few extra hours at work and was elated that I was doing something constructive with my time rather than watching a live stream of talking points.

    Did I happen to miss anything genuinely interesting? Sounds like it was, Blah blah, homo/xenophobia, blah blah, obamacare, blah, Reagan, blah blah Roll credits.

    Marriage is a status and not something two people do. Because of this and for the sake of fairness should people move, it's important that a person isn't just married in one state, but all states. Therefore, gay marriage must be banned to avoid the current unfair situation.

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  • South hostSouth host I obey without question Registered User regular
    You forgot tax cuts. And "handed the president a 2.4 trillion dollar blank check".

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Quid wrote:
    I totally missed this as I was asked to stay for a few extra hours at work and was elated that I was doing something constructive with my time rather than watching a live stream of talking points.

    Did I happen to miss anything genuinely interesting? Sounds like it was, Blah blah, homo/xenophobia, blah blah, obamacare, blah, Reagan, blah blah Roll credits.

    Marriage is a status and not something two people do. Because of this and for the sake of fairness should people move, it's important that a person isn't just married in one state, but all states. Therefore, gay marriage must be banned to avoid the current unfair situation.

    States rights!

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote:
    Quid wrote:
    I totally missed this as I was asked to stay for a few extra hours at work and was elated that I was doing something constructive with my time rather than watching a live stream of talking points.

    Did I happen to miss anything genuinely interesting? Sounds like it was, Blah blah, homo/xenophobia, blah blah, obamacare, blah, Reagan, blah blah Roll credits.

    Marriage is a status and not something two people do. Because of this and for the sake of fairness should people move, it's important that a person isn't just married in one state, but all states. Therefore, gay marriage must be banned to avoid the current unfair situation.

    States rights!
    Yes, supporting the rights of some states to tell other states what to do.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Boring7 wrote:
    *snip*

    :^:

    Well played, sir.

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  • override367override367 misogynist/MRA/socially irresponsible Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote:
    Quid wrote:
    I totally missed this as I was asked to stay for a few extra hours at work and was elated that I was doing something constructive with my time rather than watching a live stream of talking points.

    Did I happen to miss anything genuinely interesting? Sounds like it was, Blah blah, homo/xenophobia, blah blah, obamacare, blah, Reagan, blah blah Roll credits.

    Marriage is a status and not something two people do. Because of this and for the sake of fairness should people move, it's important that a person isn't just married in one state, but all states. Therefore, gay marriage must be banned to avoid the current unfair situation.

    States rights!
    Yes, supporting the rights of some states to tell other states what to do.

    Boy does that sound familiar

    Do they really want to go down that road, banking on Americans not having any historical knowledge whatsoever?

    ... please nobody answer that

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    It's almsot like they hate the Constitution and the Interstate Commerce clause

  • override367override367 misogynist/MRA/socially irresponsible Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Why am I finding myself liking Ron Paul on occasional answers?

    Ron Paul is like Fry from Futurama, he needs to stop one sentence sooner.

    "America cannot get what it wants forever by being the world police. The government has no right to have secret prisons. We need to legalize drugs because the war on drugs is a failure. That is why we must destroy the federal reserve and the department of education!"

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Why am I finding myself liking Ron Paul on occasional answers?

    Ron Paul is like Fry from Futurama, he needs to stop one sentence sooner.

    "America cannot get what it wants forever by being the world police. The government has no right to have secret prisons. We need to legalize drugs because the war on drugs is a failure. That is why we must destroy the federal reserve and the department of education!"

    This is possibly the best description of Ronpaul I've read. :)

  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote:
    Why am I finding myself liking Ron Paul on occasional answers?

    Ron Paul is like Fry from Futurama, he needs to stop one sentence sooner.

    "America cannot get what it wants forever by being the world police. The government has no right to have secret prisons. We need to legalize drugs because the war on drugs is a failure. That is why we must destroy the federal reserve and the department of education!"

    This is possibly the best description of Ronpaul I've read. :)

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  • DistramDistram __BANNED USERS
    edited August 2011
    Boring7 wrote:
    jbragg wrote:
    The question, as did many in that debate, openly proposed that the candidate was a hypocrite. And to go back to what Fencingsax said, man, do they really want Perry.

    Perry is the "True Heir to the Throne" as determined by the shadowy oligarchs that run the GOP. It is one of those open secrets that Republican political players like to retire to Texas and Texas is where the big oil money is. Ever since he first started running for re-election Perry's game has been one well-orchestrated passion play of the Returning King.

    It started with beating Hutchison the pretender and White the Barbarian to retain control of the lands of Texas where his political predecessor King Dubya had left him. (I can't remember the line, but during his governor's race Perry said something that basically admitted, "re-elect me because I need the governorship to springboard for the presidency")

    Then he traveled the realms, seeing many things and spreading the word that the current king was wicked and evil and should not be obeyed. And many people, (often paid by him) would publicly ask him, "won't you run? Won't you go to Washington and retake the throne o mighty young lord?" Again and again, Prince Perry denied the call, saying, "Yeah verily, to go to DC is to go mad like King Dubya. I shall not seek the throne, for I do not wish the crown."

    And things grew worse, and the armies of the Great Old Patriots who sought return of the True Bloodline to the throne did bicker over which general might lead the armies. But the generals were weak and the armies did falter and lament. "Oh won't a true leader, a noble of The Blood come and save us?!" they were paid to say.

    And as the bickering and battles between the generals of the GOP did bicker Perry returned, hung his head and lamented, "for the good of the land, for righteousness, I hear your call and accept it. Though I do not wish it I shall take command of the armies and seek to reclaim the Throne!"

    And his shadowy backers did clap their hands with glee.

    You are my hero, sir.

    Perry is a Reagan/Bush gestalt. He's like the GOP version of Devastator.

    Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, Reid, and Biden are the Dinobots.

    Distram on
  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote:
    Quid wrote:
    I totally missed this as I was asked to stay for a few extra hours at work and was elated that I was doing something constructive with my time rather than watching a live stream of talking points.

    Did I happen to miss anything genuinely interesting? Sounds like it was, Blah blah, homo/xenophobia, blah blah, obamacare, blah, Reagan, blah blah Roll credits.

    Marriage is a status and not something two people do. Because of this and for the sake of fairness should people move, it's important that a person isn't just married in one state, but all states. Therefore, gay marriage must be banned to avoid the current unfair situation.

    States rights!

    Except that Rick Santorum would like to yell at you about how Jesus thinks the 10th Amendment only applies to things like health insurance and not to things that violate America's moral laws, like same-sex marriage, or forced sterilization.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Why am I finding myself liking Ron Paul on occasional answers?

    Ron Paul is like Fry from Futurama, he needs to stop one sentence sooner.

    "America cannot get what it wants forever by being the world police. The government has no right to have secret prisons. We need to legalize drugs because the war on drugs is a failure. That is why we must destroy the federal reserve and the department of education!"

    I've always said that Ron Paul should get a cabinet level position where his job is merely to tell the President what things are going wrong and then have absolutely no power to suggest solutions.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    I wish it actually mattered what the candidates actually said and did come next November.

    Obama would obliterate any one of them in a debate, but that doesn't matter, and it's infuriating.

    In other news, will the Colbert ads affect anything in any way come the poll?

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Never underestimate the power of the Colbert Nation.

    But no, probably not.

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  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    Ezra Klein's wonkbook intro this morning (spoilered for long):
    Spoiler:

  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    Slightly OT but this was great: http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

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    Walkers with the sun and morning, we are not afraid of night,
    Nor days of gloom, nor darkness -
    Being walkers with the sun and morning.
  • Xenogear_0001Xenogear_0001 Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Not sure if this was posted or not--I didn't see it going back several pages--but it's useful for anyone who didn't watch the debate (myself). It's a minute by minute break down of the whole affair, and it's got a nice humorous touch.

    http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/12/what-you-missed-while-not-watching-the-iowa-gop-debate/

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta (11th Circuit if you're into that) says that some parts of the ACA are unconstitutional: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/12/health.care.ruling/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Next step is SCOTUS, I think.

    Edit: Better link.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote:
    Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta (11th Circuit if you're into that) says that some parts of the ACA are unconstitutional: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/parts-of-health-care-law-ruled-unconstitutional/?hpt=hp_t2

    Next step is SCOTUS, I think.

    Okay, so this makes it 5 affirming to 3 against.

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    So I just watched the Maddow bit on Perry's announcement. It seems like a pretty good plan to announce on the day of the Iowa Straw poll in SC and NH. This looks like it might steal some thunder from the other candidates and then he ends up showing up in Iowa on Sunday.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote:
    a5ehren wrote:
    Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta (11th Circuit if you're into that) says that some parts of the ACA are unconstitutional: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/parts-of-health-care-law-ruled-unconstitutional/?hpt=hp_t2

    Next step is SCOTUS, I think.

    Okay, so this makes it 5 affirming to 3 against.

    I can't see the endgame for this decision. If the mandate goes away, then I (who already don't have health insurance) wait until I get sick, since insurance providers can't reject me for pre-existing conditions. Insurance costs for healthy people paying in skyrockets due to everyone else doing the same, until ultimately insurance is prohibitively expensive for everyone, and then...?

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  • ChanusChanus Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote:
    SyphonBlue wrote:
    a5ehren wrote:
    Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta (11th Circuit if you're into that) says that some parts of the ACA are unconstitutional: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/parts-of-health-care-law-ruled-unconstitutional/?hpt=hp_t2

    Next step is SCOTUS, I think.

    Okay, so this makes it 5 affirming to 3 against.

    I can't see the endgame for this decision. If the mandate goes away, then I (who already don't have health insurance) wait until I get sick, since insurance providers can't reject me for pre-existing conditions. Insurance costs for healthy people paying in skyrockets due to everyone else doing the same, until ultimately insurance is prohibitively expensive for everyone, and then...?

    And then outrage at the skyrocketing cost results in an outcry for the whole thing to be undone and they can blame the out-of-control healthcare costs on Obama/Democrats.

    It's always about "How do we blame this on Democrats?". Always.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Delzhand wrote:
    SyphonBlue wrote:
    a5ehren wrote:
    Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta (11th Circuit if you're into that) says that some parts of the ACA are unconstitutional: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/parts-of-health-care-law-ruled-unconstitutional/?hpt=hp_t2

    Next step is SCOTUS, I think.

    Okay, so this makes it 5 affirming to 3 against.

    I can't see the endgame for this decision. If the mandate goes away, then I (who already don't have health insurance) wait until I get sick, since insurance providers can't reject me for pre-existing conditions. Insurance costs for healthy people paying in skyrockets due to everyone else doing the same, until ultimately insurance is prohibitively expensive for everyone, and then...?

    We're be exactly where we were before Obama's health reform.

    And it will be all Obama's fault.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote:
    SyphonBlue wrote:
    a5ehren wrote:
    Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta (11th Circuit if you're into that) says that some parts of the ACA are unconstitutional: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/parts-of-health-care-law-ruled-unconstitutional/?hpt=hp_t2

    Next step is SCOTUS, I think.

    Okay, so this makes it 5 affirming to 3 against.

    I can't see the endgame for this decision. If the mandate goes away, then I (who already don't have health insurance) wait until I get sick, since insurance providers can't reject me for pre-existing conditions. Insurance costs for healthy people paying in skyrockets due to everyone else doing the same, until ultimately insurance is prohibitively expensive for everyone, and then...?

    Medicare for all or people die.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Yeah, isn't the mandate dying a good thing for us people that want single-payer?

    Like, overturn the individual mandate and then the Health Insurance industry all goes out of business.

    Then government healthcare for all.

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    It might be, but another result is that the entire bill could get repealed leaving you worse off. It will also likely suck as there's also a decent chance you won't get single payer until the insurers just give up and refuse to take people on

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote:
    Yeah, isn't the mandate dying a good thing for us people that want single-payer?

    Like, overturn the individual mandate and then the Health Insurance industry all goes out of business.

    Then government healthcare for all.

    Or people die. This is the issue with the Madman theory the GOP is currently operating under.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    While striking down the mandate, the Court ruled that it was severable from the rest of the law.

    "The Act's other provisions remain legally operative after the mandate's excision," the majority wrote.

    So it looks like the only part the lower courts would overturn is the mandate, not the entire thing, yeah?

    Would that allow the SCOTUS to throw away the entire thing, or would their ruling only apply to the sections the previous courts said was illegal?

  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    More like Mad Max theory, I think.

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