A Kinder, Gentler Social Entropy

Sheri

Antimatter wrote:

Sheri wrote:

So this seems like a good place to post this

There's a trans competitor on America's Next Top Model All-Stars (also she was in a previous season, but this is in this season)

In her previous season she was pre-op and now she is post-op

And one of the other competitors was like "I had better not lose to her because, I mean, a real woman should win"

Like that, emphasis and all

And I was like holy shit you are terrible

MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING CUNTMUNCHING SON OF A BITCH I WILL DESTROY EVERYTHING AFFILIATED WITH THIS SHOW

What no

The rest of the show is awesome

Just not that part

Zonugal

Munkus Beaver wrote:

Zonugal wrote:

Munkus became Joe Pesci.

wait what

At the fancy dinner with RMED.

You became one of the wet/sticky bandits.

Antimatter

it will be a lesson. one person makes a statement like that, everyone suffers.

Sheri

Antimatter wrote:

it will be a lesson. one person makes a statement like that, everyone suffers.

No

That's terrible Anti

Antimatter

yes

Sheri

Anti

Do you need a hug

I'll give you a hug

Doobh

there was an openly transgendered woman on the show who was competing just fine with natal women

who cares about the one dumb bitch

Sheri

Dubh wrote:

there was an openly transgendered woman on the show who was competing just fine with natal women

Twice!

Garlic Bread

Antimatter wrote: »

Sheri wrote:

So this seems like a good place to post this

There's a trans competitor on America's Next Top Model All-Stars (also she was in a previous season, but this is in this season)

In her previous season she was pre-op and now she is post-op

And one of the other competitors was like "I had better not lose to her because, I mean, a real woman should win"

Like that, emphasis and all

And I was like holy shit you are terrible

MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING CUNTMUNCHING SON OF A BITCH I WILL DESTROY EVERYTHING AFFILIATED WITH THIS SHOW

Yes, destroy the show that treated a pre-op transwoman like a "normal" female, then the creator of that show assisted with and chronicled said transwoman's transition, and then gave her even more of an opportunity on the show later

yes hmm

Clint Eastwood

better to overreact to one stupid dingus

Doobh

Sheri wrote:

Dubh wrote:

there was an openly transgendered woman on the show who was competing just fine with natal women

Twice!

I say that's a firm stance on the show's part

Antimatter

seeing as they let the bitch talk, nah.

Garlic Bread

That being said I just didn't think Isis was pretty most of the time. There were some points when she was and some points when she was just weird looking to me. She's way too skinny and I think her face works better with bigger, fuller hair than tightly cropped

Doobh

A good journalistic attitude involves being able to hear all points of view

whether it's narcissistic, mean-spirited, ignorant, or all three and more

would it be better to hide how awful she is?

I don't think so

Antimatter

it shouldn't cover hate speech, absolutely

Clint Eastwood

the first amendment should only apply to people who are right about stuff

Garlic Bread

This cycle of ANTM isn't really about the modeling, anyway. It's about making these "All Stars" their own brand

so I'd say it's better to show them saying their hate speech (although I'd say it's more ignorance than straight up hate) then to hide it and help them achieve popularity

Doobh

I can't help but feel super uncomfortable when laws start restricting what people can and can't say

except in the case of public danger (shouting fire in a crowded room, etc.)

which I'm sure has some people rolling their eyes, I'm sure

Sheri

Keith wrote:

That being said I just didn't think Isis was pretty most of the time. There were some points when she was and some points when she was just weird looking to me. She's way too skinny and I think her face works better with bigger, fuller hair than tightly cropped

Again

Sleepy eyes

Also yes she really was just too thin for my tastes

Antimatter

fuck all of you

Doobh

Keith wrote:

This cycle of ANTM isn't really about the modeling, anyway. It's about making these "All Stars" their own brand

so I'd say it's better to show them saying their hate speech (although I'd say it's more ignorance than straight up hate) then to hide it and help them achieve popularity

thank you, Keith

Clint Eastwood

restrict the speech of brian ashcraft

TheySlashThem

Dubh wrote:

I can't help but feel super uncomfortable when laws start restricting what people can and can't say

except in the case of public danger (shouting fire in a crowded room, etc.)

which I'm sure has some people rolling their eyes, I'm sure

this is where I stand also

Stale

Antimatter wrote:

it shouldn't cover hate speech, absolutely

except that isn't hate speech

that's someone's opinion. She doesn't feel a male-to-female trans is a "real" woman.

Doobh

Also, I said 'sure' twice

this is my brain's doing, I swear

Sheri

Dubh wrote:

Also, I said 'sure' twice

this is my brain's doing, I swear

Maybe you're just extremely sure?

Doobh

Sheri wrote:

Dubh wrote:

Also, I said 'sure' twice

this is my brain's doing, I swear

Maybe you're just extremely sure?

sure sure

Charles Kinbote

this is not a first amendment issue

Charles Kinbote

Stale wrote:

Antimatter wrote:

it shouldn't cover hate speech, absolutely

except that isn't hate speech

that's someone's opinion. She doesn't feel a male-to-female trans is a "real" woman.

that is absolutely hate speech

"someone's opinion" is not some category incommensurable with hate speech

I mean I don't agree with Anti here that the whole show should be disbanded, I think that's entirely missing the point, but what that woman said is absolutely hate speech

Antimatter

i'll grant the remove the whole show was hyperbole and exaggeration spawned through intense anger

thank you chuck

Beasteh

incommensurable is certainly a word

Shorty

Charles Kinbote wrote:

this is not a first amendment issue

indeed.

Charles Kinbote

Antimatter wrote:

i'll grant the remove the whole show was hyperbole and exaggeration spawned through intense anger

thank you chuck

no prooblem

Beasteh wrote:

incommensurable is a weasel word if i ever read one

I can't decide if you're confused about what "incommensurable" means or if you're confused about what a weasel word is

go read some T.S. Kuhn

Skull Man

it is hate speech

however it's a reality show so its broadcast is basically irrelevant

if snookie says black snookie isn't a real snookie then that's stupid but yeah, it's stupid, in both medium and message

Clint Eastwood

thank you based snookie

Stale

Charles Kinbote wrote:

Stale wrote:

Antimatter wrote:

it shouldn't cover hate speech, absolutely

except that isn't hate speech

that's someone's opinion. She doesn't feel a male-to-female trans is a "real" woman.

that is absolutely hate speech

"someone's opinion" is not some category incommensurable with hate speech

I mean I don't agree with Anti here that the whole show should be disbanded, I think that's entirely missing the point, but what that woman said is absolutely hate speech

except in this context, it is not hate speech

it's her saying that someone who is not born a biologic woman, isn't a "real" woman even after surgery. To which, on a purely technical level, she's correct.

She's an ignorant cunt, but on that level she's correct. She isn't saying "burn all transvestites", she's saying "I don't think she is a true woman."

that's not hate speech. That's an opinion.

Garlic Bread

Stale wrote: »

Antimatter wrote:

it shouldn't cover hate speech, absolutely

except that isn't hate speech

that's someone's opinion. She doesn't feel a male-to-female trans is a "real" woman.

someone doesn't feel blacks are equal to whites

It's not hate speech!

Skull Man

Keith wrote:

Stale wrote: »

Antimatter wrote:

it shouldn't cover hate speech, absolutely

except that isn't hate speech

that's someone's opinion. She doesn't feel a male-to-female trans is a "real" woman.

someone doesn't feel blacks are equal to whites

It's not hate speech!

uh keith on a purely technical level they aren't what about melanin Q.E.Deeznuts

Sheri

Aw man now I'm sorry I brought it up

Antimatter

sorry for making a big deal out of it sheri

my dad was terrorizing my brother this morning so I was already pissed off