Melee in this game is pretty broken. I mean the vacuum thing stinks but you can do it too. If youre a krogan and heavy melee the enemy that was 'highlighted' will stand still. A nemisis (who scurry around like no other) will stand still once my krogan has melee initiated on it. All around, the melee is super wonky. Not a big fan.
Also, by doing this, you get the Avenger X, which is the "best" caster weapon in the game.
Ah, yes. "Opinions."
lolno. You're just gonna stand there out of cover holding down autofire on your adept?
Yeah, that's exactly what I do. I don't even use my powers, I just like having 200% recharge with my Avenger X for no reason. Clearly what you've said is exactly how I play and not a fucking retarded strawman at all.
But I guess that throwing out powers is all a caster-type like adept or engineer should ever do, and there is no situation in which you can unload half a clip into someone's head to finish them off or to keep some pressure on while your cooldown finishes.
I hope Dich, speed, rmed, melding and all the other people I play with online don't find out that I'm actually super terrible at this and I've just let them carry me to my 444 N7 rating.
Also, by doing this, you get the Avenger X, which is the "best" caster weapon in the game.
Ah, yes. "Opinions."
lolno. You're just gonna stand there out of cover holding down autofire on your adept?
Yeah, that's exactly what I do. I don't even use my powers, I just like having 200% recharge with my Avenger X for no reason. Clearly what you've said is exactly how I play and not a fucking retarded strawman at all.
But I guess that throwing out powers is all a caster-type like adept or engineer should ever do, and there is no situation in which you can unload half a clip into someone's head to finish them off or to keep some pressure on while your cooldown finishes.
I hope Dich, speed, rmed, melding and all the other people I play with online don't find out that I'm actually super terrible at this and I've just let them carry me to my 444 N7 rating.
Melee in this game is pretty broken. I mean the vacuum thing stinks but you can do it too. If youre a krogan and heavy melee the enemy that was 'highlighted' will stand still. A nemisis (who scurry around like no other) will stand still once my krogan has melee initiated on it. All around, the melee is super wonky. Not a big fan.
so
you would rather the game be less forgiving and more frustrating?
No, I was pointing out that the 'vacuum' effect works both ways, thankfully. I just wish that the game could use a less immersion breaking function to facilitate melee combat.
Also, by doing this, you get the Avenger X, which is the "best" caster weapon in the game.
Ah, yes. "Opinions."
lolno. You're just gonna stand there out of cover holding down autofire on your adept?
Yeah, that's exactly what I do. I don't even use my powers, I just like having 200% recharge with my Avenger X for no reason. Clearly what you've said is exactly how I play and not a fucking retarded strawman at all.
But I guess that throwing out powers is all a caster-type like adept or engineer should ever do, and there is no situation in which you can unload half a clip into someone's head to finish them off or to keep some pressure on while your cooldown finishes.
I hope Dich, speed, rmed, melding and all the other people I play with online don't find out that I'm actually super terrible at this and I've just let them carry me to my 444 N7 rating.
Gotta be some nerve I hit there.
My point was the Avenger underperforms at headshotting, which reduce the value of stasis bubble. If you're opening up on a guy in stasis you're probably going to cause him to fall over, which makes it harder for your team to kill him without autolocking abilities. If you're opening up on something out of stasis, you're reducing the likelihood of popping your biotic explosion.
I can see an argument for an AR versus reapers, since the odds of remaining in cover against them are pretty low. But that's a far cry from 'best' weapon for a caster.
Man here's your problem: You're dodge rolling in the first place
Why aren't you playing turian or, in a pinch, krogan?
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
No, I was pointing out that the 'vacuum' effect works both ways, thankfully. I just wish that the game could use a less immersion breaking function to facilitate melee combat.
the heavy melee is basically a "power" with no cooldown, it makes sense that it works that way
the fact that it goes both ways doesn't really mean anything. think about back in ME1, when enemies could use biotics against you and caused you to fall over motionless for a few seconds. That was fair because they could do something similar to you that you could do to them, and really it was still balanced in your favor since they couldn't say, hurl you over a guardrail or blast you into space, but it was still bullshit and not fun.
I think the idea is to never use the Quarian Infiltrator against anything but Geth
You'd be wrong, because sabotage is also useful on cerberus. it (very) momentarily stuns those dudes, and takes over their techy stuff
Yeah, I mean on paper it can sound kinda lame - what, you level up one power and it's only useful against one enemy type + turrets?
But goddamn, turrets can screw you soooo hard, having a one-shot power that cancels them out AND often takes out their engineer? Totally worth it.
Also there's still the "take +100% tech damage" at rank 6, which iirc applies to anyone you use sabotage on, so that ain't bad.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Oh lord, it's the "Why you mad bro? I wasn't saying anything stupid as fuck" move. We're going by the basic internet argument playbook, I guess.
Avenger X with extended barrel and armor piercing mods (not ammo) kicks out good damage against any defense type, and amazing damage against armor. Alternatives that keep you at 200% recharge bonus are pistols and SMGs, which sacrifice doing good damage against shields/barriers to do good damage against armor, and vice versa.
As to "underperforms at headshotting", that has not been my experience. I aim at their head area, and some might hit their upper chest/shoulders, but most hit their head. Especially on the Turian Sentinel, since for turians, the Avenger has about as must spread as a Phaeston in human hands.
Also, while Asari Adept is my favorite adept, I generally use stasis in emergency "oh god someone's about to die better save them" situations (that someone may often be me), or on stupid jerks like phantoms who like to flip around and block everyone else's attacks. I prefer Warp as my combo starter, since it gets the extra 15% damage debuff on there, and doesn't block the explosion target and friends from taking extra kinetic damage from bouncing around, which can usually be pretty dang massive.
Yeah, when you miss with the krogan melee you definitely feel it due to the little run it has. Unlike other melees a missed Krogan one can put you behind an enemy more easily.
The avenger isn't great at anything, but it's not bad at anything either.
And when all you want is for your gun to be a useful fallback, that can be pretty great. It's lightweight, it can take down shields, armor, or health, it's accurate enough to fight from range or fast-firing enough to be used close up.
Sure, at any of those particular things there's better options, but they're often not as good at others, or they weigh a lot more. With the avenger you ALWAYS have an option if you can't use your powers (and 200% recharge)
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Oh lord, it's the "Why you mad bro? I wasn't saying anything stupid as fuck" move. We're going by the basic internet argument playbook, I guess.
Avenger X with extended barrel and armor piercing mods (not ammo) kicks out good damage against any defense type, and amazing damage against armor. Alternatives that keep you at 200% recharge bonus are pistols and SMGs, which sacrifice doing good damage against shields/barriers to do good damage against armor, and vice versa.
Actually, weapons don't work that way anymore. Weapons don't have damage modifiers against shields anymore, and armor is now a flat damage reduction against each bullet.
This means that, in general, rapid fire weapons are terrible against armor, and slower, heavier hitting weapons do much better. It also means that the armor piercing mod is pretty much necessary on ARs.
The only advantage rapid fire weapons have is that shield bleedthrough doesn't matter to them.
Avenger X is one of the best light weapons though. I have a hard time deciding on whether to go Mattock/Predator or Avenger/Carnifex.
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on the other hand, if you miss with krogan melee, a lot of times the enemy's melee will also miss, because you moved.
It just takes practice, since it acts differently than any of the other melees
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Yeah, by level 16 with a krogan solider I was feeing fiiine. I was consistently first place. Except for the room I joined with three infiltrators with three widows. But I didn't complain. I could sit back and make easy money while they did all the work. Got five games out of that cash cow of a room.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I do. I don't even use my powers, I just like having 200% recharge with my Avenger X for no reason. Clearly what you've said is exactly how I play and not a fucking retarded strawman at all.
But I guess that throwing out powers is all a caster-type like adept or engineer should ever do, and there is no situation in which you can unload half a clip into someone's head to finish them off or to keep some pressure on while your cooldown finishes.
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we already know
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so
you would rather the game be less forgiving and more frustrating?
Gotta be some nerve I hit there.
My point was the Avenger underperforms at headshotting, which reduce the value of stasis bubble. If you're opening up on a guy in stasis you're probably going to cause him to fall over, which makes it harder for your team to kill him without autolocking abilities. If you're opening up on something out of stasis, you're reducing the likelihood of popping your biotic explosion.
I can see an argument for an AR versus reapers, since the odds of remaining in cover against them are pretty low. But that's a far cry from 'best' weapon for a caster.
Works pretty well with a scoped carnifex or paladin.
Why aren't you playing turian or, in a pinch, krogan?
I like to stasis trash mobs when a lot of them are coming around a corner. easy to catch at least three without even trying
then detonate or let a vanguard detonate while I get the points for it
Yes, but, while you're doing that you're not killing everything else in the immediate area with biotic warp explosions.
surely, you must be joking
You'd be wrong, because sabotage is also useful on cerberus. it (very) momentarily stuns those dudes, and takes over their techy stuff
the heavy melee is basically a "power" with no cooldown, it makes sense that it works that way
the fact that it goes both ways doesn't really mean anything. think about back in ME1, when enemies could use biotics against you and caused you to fall over motionless for a few seconds. That was fair because they could do something similar to you that you could do to them, and really it was still balanced in your favor since they couldn't say, hurl you over a guardrail or blast you into space, but it was still bullshit and not fun.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Yeah, I mean on paper it can sound kinda lame - what, you level up one power and it's only useful against one enemy type + turrets?
But goddamn, turrets can screw you soooo hard, having a one-shot power that cancels them out AND often takes out their engineer? Totally worth it.
Also there's still the "take +100% tech damage" at rank 6, which iirc applies to anyone you use sabotage on, so that ain't bad.
that talon buff yesterday was bigger than I thought
it's now stronger than the eviscerator
same weight
1 extra shot
faster fire rate
daaaaaaaang
gimme
I guess
but really, I don't care that much
all other adepts can just go to the sea
Barrier
Slam
Cluster Grenade
Krogan melee is not broken.
Krogan melee is accurate.
sliding across a room desperately pressing buttons to no avail
Avenger X with extended barrel and armor piercing mods (not ammo) kicks out good damage against any defense type, and amazing damage against armor. Alternatives that keep you at 200% recharge bonus are pistols and SMGs, which sacrifice doing good damage against shields/barriers to do good damage against armor, and vice versa.
As to "underperforms at headshotting", that has not been my experience. I aim at their head area, and some might hit their upper chest/shoulders, but most hit their head. Especially on the Turian Sentinel, since for turians, the Avenger has about as must spread as a Phaeston in human hands.
Also, while Asari Adept is my favorite adept, I generally use stasis in emergency "oh god someone's about to die better save them" situations (that someone may often be me), or on stupid jerks like phantoms who like to flip around and block everyone else's attacks. I prefer Warp as my combo starter, since it gets the extra 15% damage debuff on there, and doesn't block the explosion target and friends from taking extra kinetic damage from bouncing around, which can usually be pretty dang massive.
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Charge toward a dude, they sidestep at the last second/duck behind a corner/get hit by someone else's ability, and I'm left unsatisfied.
it seems perfect
literally perfect
I want one so bad
And when all you want is for your gun to be a useful fallback, that can be pretty great. It's lightweight, it can take down shields, armor, or health, it's accurate enough to fight from range or fast-firing enough to be used close up.
Sure, at any of those particular things there's better options, but they're often not as good at others, or they weigh a lot more. With the avenger you ALWAYS have an option if you can't use your powers (and 200% recharge)
and they are durable as fuck so they can get there
does seem somewhat unbalanced
but I mean we are all on the same team so who cares, really
It's not like they are Vanguards
who are actively annoying and often detrimental
Actually, weapons don't work that way anymore. Weapons don't have damage modifiers against shields anymore, and armor is now a flat damage reduction against each bullet.
This means that, in general, rapid fire weapons are terrible against armor, and slower, heavier hitting weapons do much better. It also means that the armor piercing mod is pretty much necessary on ARs.
The only advantage rapid fire weapons have is that shield bleedthrough doesn't matter to them.
Avenger X is one of the best light weapons though. I have a hard time deciding on whether to go Mattock/Predator or Avenger/Carnifex.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
It just takes practice, since it acts differently than any of the other melees
Nah, krogan melee can definitely fuck you over if you don't pay it due deference.
See: Running headlong into a room full of Assault Troopers and Centurions.
Also: Vanguards are great.
Barrier
Warp
Carnage
I wasn't even looking for it to get buffed but then hey they did