And with the templar game, as DOA as it will be thanks to last-gen and no-pc, maybe, just maybe we can move form 'Assassins GUD! Templars BAD!' dichotomy to something more like oh hey these two groups just have different philosophies.
I would not be shocked at all if Rogue sells more than Unity. So I have no idea where this "DOA" idea comes from.
Also, there's no PC version because they aren't going to release Unity and Rogue for the same platform, around the same day. How would that even work?
Maybe by next May or so they'll do a port if Rogue was successful on consoles.
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They barely manage to get one AC game to the PC each year within a month of launch. If Rogue makes it, it'll definitely be next year.
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I'll wait. Having played a seafaring AC on both PS3 and PC I'm only interested in PC. I'm sure it will get a Liberation-style release, at least I sincerely hope so.
And watching the trailer it's clearly not Haytham. Is he supposed to be Welsh? Did Edward Kenway have another son maybe?
I'm hearing some interesting stuff about the Arctic open world that strikes my fancy. Like blasting open ice burgs and leaving trails of flaming oil as a weapon.
With Rogue just announced I could really go for some pirate action right now, so I figured I'd replay my favorite parts of AC IV.
Turns out that aside from story missions the only thing you can replay is Naval contracts and the Templar key missions. You can't replay the legendary ship battles or assassination contracts.
That's really disappointing. I hope that they learn from that and make as much as possible replayable in Rogue/Unity. I think I heard something about Far Cry 3 having a feature to reset bases or something, I wouldn't mind such a feature for legendary ships, navel bases and assasin contracts.
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I just play it again. The need to take on ships to build up yours is the most fun part of the game to me. Once you have no need for money anymore I get a bit bored.
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I just play it again. The need to take on ships to build up yours is the most fun part of the game to me. Once you have no need for money anymore I get a bit bored.
I can see that. Thing is the after-game isn't entirely bad. You still have warehouses to raid and enough tools to make that fun, as well as ships to raid and animals to hunt. The social events would be a neat addition if they didn't nuke their spawn chance into oblivion. If there were recurring assassinations on land and recurring "ship" assassinations (with unique ships like the legendaries and unique objectives for a great reward) I think I'd actually be completely content.
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I think I just played it sooooo much I needed a break.
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Even after fully upgrading Adéwalé and the Experto Crede and being able to get free gear from vendors, I still can't resist the urge to loot my victims. That guard might have a rope dart!
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SteevLWhat can I do for you?Registered Userregular
Does the Freedom Cry DLC on Steam show up as installed for everybody, even if you don't own it? When I bought the base game off Amazon, I was surprised to see this:
I was a bit sad when I realized I didn't actually get Freedom Cry as a bonus, but oh well. I'm still not quite ready for more AC4 after playing through the game last month.
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It's currently not installed but I will be doing a super crazy no ingame map no health no ui run at some point. I'm gonna print off a major landmark only world map and do it by hand.
I like doing no health, armor, medicine etc runs of these games. Really makes you break out the mean stuff more and feel less cheap about it.
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Looks to be Assassin's Creed: Black Flag Too. A few differences in gameplay here, with some different naval weapons which appear to replace stuff from Black Flag. The fight with the assassin in the land gameplay video looked a little interesting too, although I could also see it getting annoying.
Disappointing. Some new weapons and tiny alterations, nothing more. This was a chance to experiment a little and try out some major differences in gameplay, but it looks like they're still too afraid to change the tried and true formula much.
I think Unity is going to be the big shake things up one, gameplay wise.
Rouge looks like a cash in. Very same-y to AC4. I just how the local and story are good.
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It was at least nice to see that Haytham is hanging out on your ship. But yeah, it's pretty samey. I'm sure I'll pick it up eventually, but like Black Flag, I'll be waiting on a sale.
It was at least nice to see that Haytham is hanging out on your ship. But yeah, it's pretty samey. I'm sure I'll pick it up eventually, but like Black Flag, I'll be waiting on a sale.
Black Sail expanded on the sailing enough to keep me interested. Plus I really liked the locations, and playing as a pirate just has an innate charm.
To be fair I also like the setting of Rogue, and the weapon additions are neat, especially the forward facing cannons, or the gas mask, or the air rifle - that's what you'd expect from the Templars since they're usually much better equipped than Assassins.
I think Unity is going to be the big shake things up one, gameplay wise.
Rouge looks like a cash in. Very same-y to AC4. I just how the local and story are good.
*Rogue. Rouge and Rogue mean two completely different things.
It looks like Rogue is being made as a game for people who haven't bought new consoles (or just have PC and really like Black Flag) and really liked Black Flag and want more gameplay like it, which a lot of people really do. It'd be really disappointing to a lot of people to have a new AC game without any of the naval stuff.
I think Unity is going to be the big shake things up one, gameplay wise.
Rouge looks like a cash in. Very same-y to AC4. I just how the local and story are good.
*Rogue. Rouge and Rogue mean two completely different things.
It looks like Rogue is being made as a game for people who haven't bought new consoles (or just have PC and really like Black Flag) and really liked Black Flag and want more gameplay like it, which a lot of people really do. It'd be really disappointing to a lot of people to have a new AC game without any of the naval stuff.
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I think Unity is going to be the big shake things up one, gameplay wise.
Rouge looks like a cash in. Very same-y to AC4. I just how the local and story are good.
*Rogue. Rouge and Rogue mean two completely different things.
It looks like Rogue is being made as a game for people who haven't bought new consoles (or just have PC and really like Black Flag) and really liked Black Flag and want more gameplay like it, which a lot of people really do. It'd be really disappointing to a lot of people to have a new AC game without any of the naval stuff.
I thought rogue would put you more in a leadership role than it looked. I figured that because the templars sure like their cronies/meat shields/expendables it would be like ship-to-ship crew fights but on land and better developed.
At least it has penguins. BF didn't have penguins.
EDIT: I've decided that my decision to buy Rogue when it comes to PC will be dependent on whether it has a heavy weapon sheathe for axes or two handed swords. I missed that so, so much in BF. I picked up every weapon possible just to use something different.
I thought rogue would put you more in a leadership role than it looked. I figured that because the templars sure like their cronies/meat shields/expendables it would be like ship-to-ship crew fights but on land and better developed.
At least it has penguins. BF didn't have penguins.
EDIT: I've decided that my decision to buy Rogue when it comes to PC will be dependent on whether it has a heavy weapon sheathe for axes or two handed swords. I missed that so, so much in BF. I picked up every weapon possible just to use something different.
yes! my actual biggest disappointment was the lack of variety in melee weapons in Black Flag. dont know why they'd take those away. No carried heavy weapons or even a dagger. You couldn't even single wield if you wanted to!
I thought rogue would put you more in a leadership role than it looked. I figured that because the templars sure like their cronies/meat shields/expendables it would be like ship-to-ship crew fights but on land and better developed.
At least it has penguins. BF didn't have penguins.
EDIT: I've decided that my decision to buy Rogue when it comes to PC will be dependent on whether it has a heavy weapon sheathe for axes or two handed swords. I missed that so, so much in BF. I picked up every weapon possible just to use something different.
yes! my actual biggest disappointment was the lack of variety in melee weapons in Black Flag. dont know why they'd take those away. No carried heavy weapons or even a dagger. You couldn't even single wield if you wanted to!
I can't agree more. It felt really lame after a while, and one of the big reasons I haven't gotten around to playing it. That, and you know, shit mission design for 60% of it. The open world stuff was where this game shined.
I just wanted a claymore through all of it.
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I thought rogue would put you more in a leadership role than it looked. I figured that because the templars sure like their cronies/meat shields/expendables it would be like ship-to-ship crew fights but on land and better developed.
At least it has penguins. BF didn't have penguins.
Penguins are in the southern hemisphere, much as it would warm my heart to see those dutiful observers bearing witness to my Assassin's Creed stabbery.
I'm...kinda on board with Rogue. I admit that a lot of the WOW factor of Black Flag don't surf here. It went from 'Holy fuck, a ship!' to 'Oh, it's the ship again.' Same thing with the shanties everyone loved last year. I mean, I still love em, but...I can't tell what's reasonable and what's too much to expect.
Part of my brain says it would be cooler if they re-recorded the shanties so they don't sound quite the same as they did in the Golden Age of Piracy, and, hey, maybe they did. I haven't managed a real listen yet, but they did say 'over twenty new shanties' which...I never really cared about how many shanties I had, just that I had some really enjoyable songs to be all gung-ho about carrying on and being a pirate and feeling like one of the lads.
Part of my brain also says that since the basis of this game is really tried and true proven tech, the emphasis should really be on the content this time around, meaning, more locations and things to do. Maybe? The whole River Valley thing seems to be their gambit, and I'm kind of worried that the idea is that it's there to replace having cities to run around in. Maybe that'll work. Maybe not. I did think Black Flag needed to figure out a way to have ship gameplay and on-foot gameplay overlap more.
I like the idea of fending off boarding parties a lot, it speaks to me in a good way of being a really elegant reversal, as well as making it more challenging to keep a standing crew together. I like the idea of sailing through the icy seas while powder swirls in the frosty air. Black Flag made me made me see the Assassins as more ewokish dorks with their forest villages and stupid matching hoods and female characters in miniskirts for some reason, so, I'm good with playing someone who just wants to wipe them out.
I just want to know how committed they really are to this storyline. I don't want Shay to have some revelation and decide it's wrong to kill Assassins. I guess I'd be okay if the Templars had to turn on him at some point, but I don't see it making a whole lot of sense. I hope Shay doesn't have a some dead romantic interest or something that's driving him to want to kill all the assassins, or whatever.
Mainly, a lot of games encourage you to play the role of an oppressor anyway, so starting from the path of the villain, or at least the committed antihero, should force their hand in terms of making a more interesting storyline for this game.
TLDR; I'm hoping for a B+ experience but am prepared to hear if it turns out to be more of a B- experience.
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I thought rogue would put you more in a leadership role than it looked. I figured that because the templars sure like their cronies/meat shields/expendables it would be like ship-to-ship crew fights but on land and better developed.
At least it has penguins. BF didn't have penguins.
I like the idea of fending off boarding parties a lot, it speaks to me in a good way of being a really elegant reversal, as well as making it more challenging to keep a standing crew together.
Although I won't be surprised if defending from a boarding party works in mostly the same way as being as boarding party in Black Flag. There will probably be randomized objectives each time, culminating in "kill the captain of the other ship." Meanwhile, your crew count slowly ticks downward, but the chances of you losing all your crew will be roughly the same as boarding an enemy boat was in BF (my crew count never got anywhere close to 0 in Black Flag).
I do hope the storyline does something interesting and different. I think it'll at least be as fun as Black Flag. I'd be happy if this game is sort of like the jump from AC2 --> Brotherhood, rather than Brotherhood --> Revelations.
Eh, if it should be comparable to the AC2/Brotherhood jump then they actually would need to mirror one of the changes: AC Brotherhood introduced, well, the brotherhood system. AC Rogue would need to introduce the "fleet" system, where you can send ships on missions, have them upgraded and their crew level up, being able to call them in for maneuvers. This of course would go hand in hand with expanded sea battles, where you'd fight fleet against fleet.
FreiA French Prometheus UnboundDeadwoodRegistered Userregular
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New gameplay of Unity, walkthrough of a mission. Looking good. More freeform missions + more open environments and interiors is a great thing. was hoping to see some combat but it looks like he pretty much did all of this stealth.
Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
Yeah, although the release date feels 'soon' even though it's more than two months away, I hope they have more stuff to show off to get people (me) excited for this title. Even it's just dumb little confectionery stuff like customizable hats, designing your own flag for your ship, or being able to go below decks and see where your crew lives and sleeps. I mean, none of that would really change anything about the core experience, but that kind stuff is the exactly the sort of Awesome Frosting that can add a ton to a game based off its predecessor's tech.
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All in all, I think Haytham was more templar than he ever was assassin.
So, maybe? We'll see I guess.
I would not be shocked at all if Rogue sells more than Unity. So I have no idea where this "DOA" idea comes from.
Also, there's no PC version because they aren't going to release Unity and Rogue for the same platform, around the same day. How would that even work?
Maybe by next May or so they'll do a port if Rogue was successful on consoles.
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And watching the trailer it's clearly not Haytham. Is he supposed to be Welsh? Did Edward Kenway have another son maybe?
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Though, if I were given a choice between an AC with naval stuff or without, I'm gonna go with "with." It's just too good and I want more of it.
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All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Turns out that aside from story missions the only thing you can replay is Naval contracts and the Templar key missions. You can't replay the legendary ship battles or assassination contracts.
That's really disappointing. I hope that they learn from that and make as much as possible replayable in Rogue/Unity. I think I heard something about Far Cry 3 having a feature to reset bases or something, I wouldn't mind such a feature for legendary ships, navel bases and assasin contracts.
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I can see that. Thing is the after-game isn't entirely bad. You still have warehouses to raid and enough tools to make that fun, as well as ships to raid and animals to hunt. The social events would be a neat addition if they didn't nuke their spawn chance into oblivion. If there were recurring assassinations on land and recurring "ship" assassinations (with unique ships like the legendaries and unique objectives for a great reward) I think I'd actually be completely content.
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I was a bit sad when I realized I didn't actually get Freedom Cry as a bonus, but oh well. I'm still not quite ready for more AC4 after playing through the game last month.
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I like doing no health, armor, medicine etc runs of these games. Really makes you break out the mean stuff more and feel less cheap about it.
Arctic Naval gameplay:
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Looks to be Assassin's Creed: Black Flag Too. A few differences in gameplay here, with some different naval weapons which appear to replace stuff from Black Flag. The fight with the assassin in the land gameplay video looked a little interesting too, although I could also see it getting annoying.
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Rouge looks like a cash in. Very same-y to AC4. I just how the local and story are good.
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Black Sail expanded on the sailing enough to keep me interested. Plus I really liked the locations, and playing as a pirate just has an innate charm.
To be fair I also like the setting of Rogue, and the weapon additions are neat, especially the forward facing cannons, or the gas mask, or the air rifle - that's what you'd expect from the Templars since they're usually much better equipped than Assassins.
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*Rogue. Rouge and Rogue mean two completely different things.
It looks like Rogue is being made as a game for people who haven't bought new consoles (or just have PC and really like Black Flag) and really liked Black Flag and want more gameplay like it, which a lot of people really do. It'd be really disappointing to a lot of people to have a new AC game without any of the naval stuff.
I've gone rogue on the English language.
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I got rouge all over the English language.
At least it has penguins. BF didn't have penguins.
EDIT: I've decided that my decision to buy Rogue when it comes to PC will be dependent on whether it has a heavy weapon sheathe for axes or two handed swords. I missed that so, so much in BF. I picked up every weapon possible just to use something different.
I've also heard it's the first game in the series where killing civilians doesn't have the penalty because your ancestor TOTALLY did that.
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yes! my actual biggest disappointment was the lack of variety in melee weapons in Black Flag. dont know why they'd take those away. No carried heavy weapons or even a dagger. You couldn't even single wield if you wanted to!
I can't agree more. It felt really lame after a while, and one of the big reasons I haven't gotten around to playing it. That, and you know, shit mission design for 60% of it. The open world stuff was where this game shined.
I just wanted a claymore through all of it.
My friend, let me be the one to let you know that those are examples of the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Auk
Penguins are in the southern hemisphere, much as it would warm my heart to see those dutiful observers bearing witness to my Assassin's Creed stabbery.
I'm...kinda on board with Rogue. I admit that a lot of the WOW factor of Black Flag don't surf here. It went from 'Holy fuck, a ship!' to 'Oh, it's the ship again.' Same thing with the shanties everyone loved last year. I mean, I still love em, but...I can't tell what's reasonable and what's too much to expect.
Part of my brain says it would be cooler if they re-recorded the shanties so they don't sound quite the same as they did in the Golden Age of Piracy, and, hey, maybe they did. I haven't managed a real listen yet, but they did say 'over twenty new shanties' which...I never really cared about how many shanties I had, just that I had some really enjoyable songs to be all gung-ho about carrying on and being a pirate and feeling like one of the lads.
Part of my brain also says that since the basis of this game is really tried and true proven tech, the emphasis should really be on the content this time around, meaning, more locations and things to do. Maybe? The whole River Valley thing seems to be their gambit, and I'm kind of worried that the idea is that it's there to replace having cities to run around in. Maybe that'll work. Maybe not. I did think Black Flag needed to figure out a way to have ship gameplay and on-foot gameplay overlap more.
I like the idea of fending off boarding parties a lot, it speaks to me in a good way of being a really elegant reversal, as well as making it more challenging to keep a standing crew together. I like the idea of sailing through the icy seas while powder swirls in the frosty air. Black Flag made me made me see the Assassins as more ewokish dorks with their forest villages and stupid matching hoods and female characters in miniskirts for some reason, so, I'm good with playing someone who just wants to wipe them out.
I just want to know how committed they really are to this storyline. I don't want Shay to have some revelation and decide it's wrong to kill Assassins. I guess I'd be okay if the Templars had to turn on him at some point, but I don't see it making a whole lot of sense. I hope Shay doesn't have a some dead romantic interest or something that's driving him to want to kill all the assassins, or whatever.
Mainly, a lot of games encourage you to play the role of an oppressor anyway, so starting from the path of the villain, or at least the committed antihero, should force their hand in terms of making a more interesting storyline for this game.
TLDR; I'm hoping for a B+ experience but am prepared to hear if it turns out to be more of a B- experience.
Well, that was a depressing read.
Although I won't be surprised if defending from a boarding party works in mostly the same way as being as boarding party in Black Flag. There will probably be randomized objectives each time, culminating in "kill the captain of the other ship." Meanwhile, your crew count slowly ticks downward, but the chances of you losing all your crew will be roughly the same as boarding an enemy boat was in BF (my crew count never got anywhere close to 0 in Black Flag).
I do hope the storyline does something interesting and different. I think it'll at least be as fun as Black Flag. I'd be happy if this game is sort of like the jump from AC2 --> Brotherhood, rather than Brotherhood --> Revelations.
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