Old school WB tunes were pure physical comedy. They were all one shots revolving around slapstick. Of course there was subtext, but not in the way you'd see it in SU, Adventure Time or whatever else they got playing on CN these days.
It was just "here's a cat chasing a mouse!" or "Duck season/Rabbit season" shenanigans. You wouldn't see bugs spending a segment lamenting the loss of a friend or going through heavy emotional implications cause his mom died or whatever because that would be so out of left field.
I just wanna watch Yosemite Sam get smashed by a drawbridge door and pop up as an accordion. Something like that.
Those options still exists. That could be why I like the Amazing World of Gumball so much.
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There's some sexual subtext, but no more than was ever in things like Looney Tunes, and the nice thing about subtext is that kids don't get it anyway, so it's just a fun thing for the grownups to giggle about. (And if you wanna talk subtext, hellooooooo, Animaniacs.)
I mean
Animaniacs a lot of the times it wasn't even just subtext, it was right out in the open and the only thing was that kids didn't get the content they were seeing (Fingerprints, probably any random Minerva Mink sketch)
There are a ton of contextless, consequenceless cartoons on right now. Fairly Oddparents, Johnny Test, bunch of others.
Just mostly they aren't that great. The good ones are those that have actual meaning or themes or resonant plot and character arcs.
They even have new Looney Tunes cartoons every so often. They have slightly more story, but they're still pretty mindless.
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I just like designating the boards as if they had physical spatial relations.
Also i'm not a fan of Steven Universe. I understand that you were trying to prevent the sort of clubhouse attitude that is often apparent but my post and intentions were misread. That punishment for the Steven Universe fans (if that what you were going for) isn't really fair because i'm not a part of their crowd.
my basic posit is: Chances were the cartoons you remember as a kid weren't simple because they were simple; they were simple because you didn't have the years of media exposure, training and life experience to see the complexities within them.
Also Cartoons haven't always just been slapstick, vaudivillian comedy. Disney's feature films started by adapting (and admittedly softening) old fairy tales like Snow White. Pinochio was a film about a living puppet whose dream was to become a human boy and had a nightmare-fuel inducing segment where he and other boys turned into donkeys from their wrongdoings. Bambi.
Cartoons have always been a medium for telling more complex stories than just comedy shorts, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Cartoons can be, and should be, about anything and everything. They shouldn't just be pigeonholed as one thing or another thing, and we really shouldn't lament that were seeing more cartoons embrace more complex and deeper stories than the theatrical shorts of yesteryear.
I'm pretty sure most televised western cartoons didn't (and still don't) have the sort of depth that Steven Universe or Adventure Time do. Hell, Adventure Time recently had an episode with the line "embrace the ecstasy of my ego death". Tom & Jerry sure as shit never had anything like that.
I'll try to skirt around specifics the best I can, but this new generation of cartoonists grew up when Toonami was popularizing anime, and those shows were doing things that American cartoons never had (for example, Gundam Wing, as pretentious and navel-gazing as it could be, was a show about indoctrinated teen terrorists in godlike machines fighting a morally ambiguous war while politicians spoke at length about the futility of idealism and the eternal recurrence of conflict). Rebecca Sugar and Natasha Allegri have both cited Sailor Moon as major influences, and those aware can catch plenty of anime references in their own and other shows.
Basically, many young members of the animation industry are trying to take their favorite aspects of anime and Western animation and meld them together. I can guarantee you we wouldn't have anything like Steven Universe (and possibly not even Adventure Time or Regular Show) without Toonami introducing young creatives to new ideas of what cartoons could be like and what sort of topics they could handle.
With that said, cartoons like these are still outliers, and while I feel like they have a lot of interesting ideas and messages to kids, I'm not certain how much of the content actually appeals to the alleged demographic of Cartoon Network versus how much it appeals to adults.
BTW, the last few Teen Titans Go episodes have been pretty great. I wish the show was consistently this amazing, because this week's episode especially reminded me why I started watching it and why I'm willing to put up with mediocre episodes.
I'm pretty sure the quality level of a TTG episode is directly proportional with how awful the Titans behave in the episode. The best episodes almost give me the impression of a bizarre, kid-friendly version of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
I'm pretty sure most televised western cartoons didn't (and still don't) have the sort of depth that Steven Universe or Adventure Time do. Hell, Adventure Time recently had an episode with the line "embrace the ecstasy of my ego death". Tom & Jerry sure as shit never had anything like that.
I'll try to skirt around specifics the best I can, but this new generation of cartoonists grew up when Toonami was popularizing anime, and those shows were doing things that American cartoons never had (for example, Gundam Wing, as pretentious and navel-gazing as it could be, was a show about indoctrinated teen terrorists in godlike machines fighting a morally ambiguous war while politicians spoke at length about the futility of idealism and the eternal recurrence of conflict). Rebecca Sugar and Natasha Allegri have both cited Sailor Moon as major influences, and those aware can catch plenty of anime references in their own and other shows.
Basically, many young members of the animation industry are trying to take their favorite aspects of anime and Western animation and meld them together. I can guarantee you we wouldn't have anything like Steven Universe (and possibly not even Adventure Time or Regular Show) without Toonami introducing young creatives to new ideas of what cartoons could be like and what sort of topics they could handle.
With that said, cartoons like these are still outliers, and while I feel like they have a lot of interesting ideas and messages to kids, I'm not certain how much of the content actually appeals to the alleged demographic of Cartoon Network versus how much it appeals to adults.
That kind of touches on what I was saying earlier. Some of these things are pretty sharply oriented towards adults, even if the obvious stuff can be picked up by young children. It's a shame that the West isn't more comfortable with non-porn adult animation as a concept, though at least stuff like Adult Swim is helping ....sort of. There's also the the really interesting aspect of animation that we tend to start following a series as a child, and the series sometimes grows with the audience instead of simply remaining at its original age level. This happens with sitcoms sometimes as well, but it seems to be more rare. Ben 10 is a strong recent example where the original age of the main character was indeed 10, and then later episodes showed him as a teenager, with occasional references to his adulthood. The Avatar series does outright replaces the main cast with an older main cast to keep up with the audience.
It's pretty difficult to plan that sort of thing out, of course, but it would be pretty amazing to, say, have a series called simply "Titans" that started started off more like Teen Titans Go, then moved toward Teen Titans, then Young Justice, then Justice League, then something more like the Flashpoint movie, until you basically have Teen Titans Beyond where they pass the torch to a new group of Titans and retire.
Teen Titans Go is probably for an older audience than Teen Titans
And I think it harkens back the most to physical comedy cartoons like Ren and Stimpy
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I'm pretty sure most televised western cartoons didn't (and still don't) have the sort of depth that Steven Universe or Adventure Time do. Hell, Adventure Time recently had an episode with the line "embrace the ecstasy of my ego death". Tom & Jerry sure as shit never had anything like that.
I'll try to skirt around specifics the best I can, but this new generation of cartoonists grew up when Toonami was popularizing anime, and those shows were doing things that American cartoons never had (for example, Gundam Wing, as pretentious and navel-gazing as it could be, was a show about indoctrinated teen terrorists in godlike machines fighting a morally ambiguous war while politicians spoke at length about the futility of idealism and the eternal recurrence of conflict). Rebecca Sugar and Natasha Allegri have both cited Sailor Moon as major influences, and those aware can catch plenty of anime references in their own and other shows.
Basically, many young members of the animation industry are trying to take their favorite aspects of anime and Western animation and meld them together. I can guarantee you we wouldn't have anything like Steven Universe (and possibly not even Adventure Time or Regular Show) without Toonami introducing young creatives to new ideas of what cartoons could be like and what sort of topics they could handle.
With that said, cartoons like these are still outliers, and while I feel like they have a lot of interesting ideas and messages to kids, I'm not certain how much of the content actually appeals to the alleged demographic of Cartoon Network versus how much it appeals to adults.
That kind of touches on what I was saying earlier. Some of these things are pretty sharply oriented towards adults, even if the obvious stuff can be picked up by young children. It's a shame that the West isn't more comfortable with non-porn adult animation as a concept, though at least stuff like Adult Swim is helping ....sort of. There's also the the really interesting aspect of animation that we tend to start following a series as a child, and the series sometimes grows with the audience instead of simply remaining at its original age level. This happens with sitcoms sometimes as well, but it seems to be more rare. Ben 10 is a strong recent example where the original age of the main character was indeed 10, and then later episodes showed him as a teenager, with occasional references to his adulthood. The Avatar series does outright replaces the main cast with an older main cast to keep up with the audience.
It's pretty difficult to plan that sort of thing out, of course, but it would be pretty amazing to, say, have a series called simply "Titans" that started started off more like Teen Titans Go, then moved toward Teen Titans, then Young Justice, then Justice League, then something more like the Flashpoint movie, until you basically have Teen Titans Beyond where they pass the torch to a new group of Titans and retire.
I feel like this sort of sums up at what i'm trying to get at.
Shows like these have the art style of something you'd expect to see geared towards a kids demographic, but narrative structure and story elements that seem to be primarily aimed towards an adult audience.
Other than that I could simply be an old man angrily shouting at the wind. I don't wanna step on nobody's toes, if you like things like SU or Adventure Time just keep on keepin' on.
I'm pretty sure most televised western cartoons didn't (and still don't) have the sort of depth that Steven Universe or Adventure Time do. Hell, Adventure Time recently had an episode with the line "embrace the ecstasy of my ego death". Tom & Jerry sure as shit never had anything like that.
I'll try to skirt around specifics the best I can, but this new generation of cartoonists grew up when Toonami was popularizing anime, and those shows were doing things that American cartoons never had (for example, Gundam Wing, as pretentious and navel-gazing as it could be, was a show about indoctrinated teen terrorists in godlike machines fighting a morally ambiguous war while politicians spoke at length about the futility of idealism and the eternal recurrence of conflict). Rebecca Sugar and Natasha Allegri have both cited Sailor Moon as major influences, and those aware can catch plenty of anime references in their own and other shows.
Basically, many young members of the animation industry are trying to take their favorite aspects of anime and Western animation and meld them together. I can guarantee you we wouldn't have anything like Steven Universe (and possibly not even Adventure Time or Regular Show) without Toonami introducing young creatives to new ideas of what cartoons could be like and what sort of topics they could handle.
With that said, cartoons like these are still outliers, and while I feel like they have a lot of interesting ideas and messages to kids, I'm not certain how much of the content actually appeals to the alleged demographic of Cartoon Network versus how much it appeals to adults.
That kind of touches on what I was saying earlier. Some of these things are pretty sharply oriented towards adults, even if the obvious stuff can be picked up by young children. It's a shame that the West isn't more comfortable with non-porn adult animation as a concept, though at least stuff like Adult Swim is helping ....sort of. There's also the the really interesting aspect of animation that we tend to start following a series as a child, and the series sometimes grows with the audience instead of simply remaining at its original age level. This happens with sitcoms sometimes as well, but it seems to be more rare. Ben 10 is a strong recent example where the original age of the main character was indeed 10, and then later episodes showed him as a teenager, with occasional references to his adulthood. The Avatar series does outright replaces the main cast with an older main cast to keep up with the audience.
It's pretty difficult to plan that sort of thing out, of course, but it would be pretty amazing to, say, have a series called simply "Titans" that started started off more like Teen Titans Go, then moved toward Teen Titans, then Young Justice, then Justice League, then something more like the Flashpoint movie, until you basically have Teen Titans Beyond where they pass the torch to a new group of Titans and retire.
I feel like this sort of sums up at what i'm trying to get at.
Shows like these have the art style of something you'd expect to see geared towards a kids demographic, but narrative structure and story elements that seem to be primarily aimed towards an adult audience.
Other than that I could simply be an old man angrily shouting at the wind. I don't wanna step on nobody's toes, if you like things like SU or Adventure Time just keep on keepin' on.
Well we have mentioned quite a few shows that seem to have what you're trying to find.
I know fuckall about the original Titans show or DC comics in general, but I find TTG hilarious. I miss probably half the jokes, but that still means I'm getting roughly 53 jokes per minute.
As to the childish style of many shows, i find that interesting. I think our finding certain art styles childish is probably an accident of history. There doesn't seem to be any reason why highly stylized art should necessarily be classified as kid stuff, any more than highly stylized live action films have to be for kids.
Like, i get that that style is considered something principally geared for kids. But the style of, say, AT is perfectly tailored for the kind of mature stories they portray. It captures the nature of the characters, it allows for a ton of expression, it's bold and colorful in the way that kind of fantasy world should be portrayed, and it's damned beautiful when it wants to be.
The kind of stories AT wants to tell, especially the darker stuff, just wouldn't work if the art style was all Serious Business. The contrast between story and style is fundamental to the experience.
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Forgive the jerkiness, its the best video I could find on a moments notice.
This right here is what makes Teen Titans Go so hilarious. Most anyone that has read anything Starfire and Blackfire related, knows that Starfire always ends up forgiving her sister.
This is cathartic.
I know fuckall about the original Titans show or DC comics in general, but I find TTG hilarious. I miss probably half the jokes, but that still means I'm getting roughly 53 jokes per minute.
As to the childish style of many shows, i find that interesting. I think our finding certain art styles childish is probably an accident of history. There doesn't seem to be any reason why highly stylized art should necessarily be classified as kid stuff, any more than highly stylized live action films have to be for kids.
Like, i get that that style is considered something principally geared for kids. But the style of, say, AT is perfectly tailored for the kind of mature stories they portray. It captures the nature of the characters, it allows for a ton of expression, it's bold and colorful in the way that kind of fantasy world should be portrayed, and it's damned beautiful when it wants to be.
The kind of stories AT wants to tell, especially the darker stuff, just wouldn't work if the art style was all Serious Business. The contrast between story and style is fundamental to the experience.
Adventure Time is super popular among kids. You see the toys everywhere. I'm not as sure about Steven Universe, but Cartoon Network just ordered 100 more episodes, so it must be doing fine.
As for cartoons being more complex, I wonder if the same thing that happened to adult audiences has happened to kids. Everyone, at all ages, has become accustomed to more complex narratives. I know I was reading books heavily by 10, at least, so it wouldn't shock me if kids dug on the extended plotlines, callbacks and character development as much as adults.
As a kid I would have loved having more complex narratives. Even when I didn't get it I appreciated kids' media that went over my head, just because it felt like they were respecting me. And when I did get it it made me feel smart.
Forgive the jerkiness, its the best video I could find on a moments notice.
This right here is what makes Teen Titans Go so hilarious. Most anyone that has read anything Starfire and Blackfire related, knows that Starfire always ends up forgiving her sister.
This is cathartic.
That's an additional layer for teen titans or comic fans. I don't know anything about their relationship aside from what that episode put forth and it's still hilarious.
Its the crossover appeal. The Execs these days knows that its not only kids that watch these things, but their parents and other adults. This thread is an example of that. Nobody here is in the main demographic of these shows. In order to get viewers like us, the shows have to give us something deeper.
As the old assumptions have fallen by the wayside, so has the old way of presenting cartoons. The Old WB cartoons where 10 minutes shorts put in front of the "real" movie. They where never meant to be the main event as today's cartoons are. There is also the death of Saturday morning cartoons and the end to 30 minute toy commercials shows. The shows are now on Nick, Disney and CN, which again means the shows got to have something more to draw viewers in.
Then there is the influence of Japanese Anime, which showed that you could create shows with serialization and still draw the crowds. It makes it harder to get the casual viewers, but the hardcore are more willing to part with their cash for merchandise anyways. Once again, necessitating something more then a 10 minute short with no consequences.
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Cartoons are getting a lot more respect nowadays, but in many cases there's still the mandate to appeal to the almighty ages 5-12 demo. Gotta sell them ads.
Though if a show manages to appeal to them AND have adult appeal, the execs will pretty much shrug and let the subtext through.
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I think the trend of more serious topics in cartoons can only be a good thing. It's not like cartoons have become made-for-adults pretentious moody art-house films. They are still really silly (and, if anything, getting sillier and more childlike). I mean, the emotional capstone of Steven Universe was delivered via song during a fight sequence against a Shonen villain wannabe on a giant spaceship shaped like a hand.
If anything, we should all be really excited that cartoons are teaching kids that media doesn't have to be edgy or gritty to be meaningful.
No, he'd always absent mindlessly crumple them up and toss them behind his back and the chief would inadvertently end up stuck in a box with it.
He's never forced it down the chief's throat.
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Those options still exists. That could be why I like the Amazing World of Gumball so much.
There is actually an episode where a continuity begins to develop and the characters mention that the the only thing that could save them is
and then it cuts to the next episode where everything is back to normal.
Just for that, D&D doesn't get a SU thread.
SE are rad folks. Learn to mingle, dudebro.
I mean
Animaniacs a lot of the times it wasn't even just subtext, it was right out in the open and the only thing was that kids didn't get the content they were seeing (Fingerprints, probably any random Minerva Mink sketch)
Just mostly they aren't that great. The good ones are those that have actual meaning or themes or resonant plot and character arcs.
They even have new Looney Tunes cartoons every so often. They have slightly more story, but they're still pretty mindless.
Well. I came from SE++ and GV.
I just like designating the boards as if they had physical spatial relations.
Also i'm not a fan of Steven Universe. I understand that you were trying to prevent the sort of clubhouse attitude that is often apparent but my post and intentions were misread. That punishment for the Steven Universe fans (if that what you were going for) isn't really fair because i'm not a part of their crowd.
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Also Cartoons haven't always just been slapstick, vaudivillian comedy. Disney's feature films started by adapting (and admittedly softening) old fairy tales like Snow White. Pinochio was a film about a living puppet whose dream was to become a human boy and had a nightmare-fuel inducing segment where he and other boys turned into donkeys from their wrongdoings. Bambi.
Cartoons have always been a medium for telling more complex stories than just comedy shorts, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Elmer Fudd taught business economics and Investment of capital (mind you, while glossing over things like the worker's rights movements):
Cartoons can be, and should be, about anything and everything. They shouldn't just be pigeonholed as one thing or another thing, and we really shouldn't lament that were seeing more cartoons embrace more complex and deeper stories than the theatrical shorts of yesteryear.
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I'll try to skirt around specifics the best I can, but this new generation of cartoonists grew up when Toonami was popularizing anime, and those shows were doing things that American cartoons never had (for example, Gundam Wing, as pretentious and navel-gazing as it could be, was a show about indoctrinated teen terrorists in godlike machines fighting a morally ambiguous war while politicians spoke at length about the futility of idealism and the eternal recurrence of conflict). Rebecca Sugar and Natasha Allegri have both cited Sailor Moon as major influences, and those aware can catch plenty of anime references in their own and other shows.
Basically, many young members of the animation industry are trying to take their favorite aspects of anime and Western animation and meld them together. I can guarantee you we wouldn't have anything like Steven Universe (and possibly not even Adventure Time or Regular Show) without Toonami introducing young creatives to new ideas of what cartoons could be like and what sort of topics they could handle.
With that said, cartoons like these are still outliers, and while I feel like they have a lot of interesting ideas and messages to kids, I'm not certain how much of the content actually appeals to the alleged demographic of Cartoon Network versus how much it appeals to adults.
I'm pretty sure the quality level of a TTG episode is directly proportional with how awful the Titans behave in the episode. The best episodes almost give me the impression of a bizarre, kid-friendly version of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
That kind of touches on what I was saying earlier. Some of these things are pretty sharply oriented towards adults, even if the obvious stuff can be picked up by young children. It's a shame that the West isn't more comfortable with non-porn adult animation as a concept, though at least stuff like Adult Swim is helping ....sort of. There's also the the really interesting aspect of animation that we tend to start following a series as a child, and the series sometimes grows with the audience instead of simply remaining at its original age level. This happens with sitcoms sometimes as well, but it seems to be more rare. Ben 10 is a strong recent example where the original age of the main character was indeed 10, and then later episodes showed him as a teenager, with occasional references to his adulthood. The Avatar series does outright replaces the main cast with an older main cast to keep up with the audience.
It's pretty difficult to plan that sort of thing out, of course, but it would be pretty amazing to, say, have a series called simply "Titans" that started started off more like Teen Titans Go, then moved toward Teen Titans, then Young Justice, then Justice League, then something more like the Flashpoint movie, until you basically have Teen Titans Beyond where they pass the torch to a new group of Titans and retire.
And I think it harkens back the most to physical comedy cartoons like Ren and Stimpy
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I feel like this sort of sums up at what i'm trying to get at.
Shows like these have the art style of something you'd expect to see geared towards a kids demographic, but narrative structure and story elements that seem to be primarily aimed towards an adult audience.
Other than that I could simply be an old man angrily shouting at the wind. I don't wanna step on nobody's toes, if you like things like SU or Adventure Time just keep on keepin' on.
Well we have mentioned quite a few shows that seem to have what you're trying to find.
It's literally for fans of the origianal Titans series. The amount of callbacks is absurd.
Not literally.
As a dude who never really got into the original teen titans I find it to be hilarious.
BUT
i was a comic book fan so I understand a lot of the references in that regard.
As to the childish style of many shows, i find that interesting. I think our finding certain art styles childish is probably an accident of history. There doesn't seem to be any reason why highly stylized art should necessarily be classified as kid stuff, any more than highly stylized live action films have to be for kids.
Like, i get that that style is considered something principally geared for kids. But the style of, say, AT is perfectly tailored for the kind of mature stories they portray. It captures the nature of the characters, it allows for a ton of expression, it's bold and colorful in the way that kind of fantasy world should be portrayed, and it's damned beautiful when it wants to be.
The kind of stories AT wants to tell, especially the darker stuff, just wouldn't work if the art style was all Serious Business. The contrast between story and style is fundamental to the experience.
This right here is what makes Teen Titans Go so hilarious. Most anyone that has read anything Starfire and Blackfire related, knows that Starfire always ends up forgiving her sister.
This is cathartic.
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Adventure Time is super popular among kids. You see the toys everywhere. I'm not as sure about Steven Universe, but Cartoon Network just ordered 100 more episodes, so it must be doing fine.
As for cartoons being more complex, I wonder if the same thing that happened to adult audiences has happened to kids. Everyone, at all ages, has become accustomed to more complex narratives. I know I was reading books heavily by 10, at least, so it wouldn't shock me if kids dug on the extended plotlines, callbacks and character development as much as adults.
That's an additional layer for teen titans or comic fans. I don't know anything about their relationship aside from what that episode put forth and it's still hilarious.
As the old assumptions have fallen by the wayside, so has the old way of presenting cartoons. The Old WB cartoons where 10 minutes shorts put in front of the "real" movie. They where never meant to be the main event as today's cartoons are. There is also the death of Saturday morning cartoons and the end to 30 minute toy commercials shows. The shows are now on Nick, Disney and CN, which again means the shows got to have something more to draw viewers in.
Then there is the influence of Japanese Anime, which showed that you could create shows with serialization and still draw the crowds. It makes it harder to get the casual viewers, but the hardcore are more willing to part with their cash for merchandise anyways. Once again, necessitating something more then a 10 minute short with no consequences.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Though if a show manages to appeal to them AND have adult appeal, the execs will pretty much shrug and let the subtext through.
My brain still refuses to wrap around that episode.
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If anything, we should all be really excited that cartoons are teaching kids that media doesn't have to be edgy or gritty to be meaningful.
You should check out this writeup, I thought it did a really good job of analyzing the episode:
http://overmental.com/content/the-annotated-adventure-time-ego-death-and-the-cut-buddha-in-the-mountain-5575
Interesting. I guess Cartoon Network passed on it. Not that surprising.
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He did that ALL the time in the original show.
I don't think it ever even occurred to him that all those messages would self-destruct, violently.
He's never forced it down the chief's throat.
I mean, they have to self destruct in some manner.
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