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RI....eh, Scalia died.

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    I mean, people can talk about what they want, but I have a feeling this thread will not last long if it's just people celebrating his death or arguing about whether or not it's appropriate to celebrate his death.

    The new SCOTUS is an area of discussion that's going to be more fruitful.

    Do we have any idea who the new appointment might even theoretically be, though?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2016
    Rorus, I know you might have hated the man, but Scalia was a smarter man that you or I and actually had pretty good convictions for his beliefs that were well founded in the law. You could show the dead a little more respect, especially since Scalia was not a man of malice or ignorance on the SCOTUS.
    Intelligence that only serves to promote suffering is no better than the deepest stupidity.

    I have already said to not make the thread a Scalia is Dead Party, which is about as much respect as I care to give him.

    His views we generally that the job of the courts were to interpret the laws as they were written and not to create new ones wholesale, and the proper course of action for fixing the law would be...to rewrite the law. It's not as if he promoted suffering, he was pragmatic and, unlike other conservatives on the bench, he actually validated his views with smart analysis.

    The fact that you can't even say rest in peace regarding his death is disappointing, Rorus.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular

    So in other words

    The people most likely to actually respect him in death have taken less than an hour to turn this into a new political competition

    Awesome

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    masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    The possibility of a full year of Supreme Court deadlock does not bear thinking about

    I hope to god that someone in the Republican party manages to have a cooler head about this because woof

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    Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    now I'm very interested in hearing what their reasoning is for that

    not the real reason, I know that. I mean what they will say the reason is

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited February 2016

    So in other words

    The people most likely to actually respect him in death have taken less than an hour to turn this into a new political competition

    Awesome

    Eh, I'd bet everyone wanted to turn this into a political issue so soon sadly.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I'm surprised it took Cruz an hour.

    Oh god... I can't wait to see what Trump is going to say.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I mean, people can talk about what they want, but I have a feeling this thread will not last long if it's just people celebrating his death or arguing about whether or not it's appropriate to celebrate his death.

    The new SCOTUS is an area of discussion that's going to be more fruitful.
    Do we have any idea who the new appointment might even theoretically be, though?
    It's probably far too early.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I'm surprised it took Cruz an hour.

    Oh god... I can't wait to see what Trump is going to say.

    His nominee is going to be yuuuuuge!

    The best nominee ever! He will make great deals! With China!

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    LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I mean, people can talk about what they want, but I have a feeling this thread will not last long if it's just people celebrating his death or arguing about whether or not it's appropriate to celebrate his death.

    The new SCOTUS is an area of discussion that's going to be more fruitful.

    Do we have any idea who the new appointment might even theoretically be, though?

    We might not, but I'm certain that Obama has had someone in mind the entire time, just in case.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Scalia probably hated Trump.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Trump is literally going to just nominate Satan.

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    now I'm very interested in hearing what their reasoning is for that

    not the real reason, I know that. I mean what they will say the reason is

    Well, I mean, you can't let Obama do it.

    I honestly don't think they'll present or feel a need for any further reason.

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    FakefauxFakefaux Cóiste Bodhar Driving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered User regular
    Goddammit, now I'm never going to be able to use this image of Scalia as MODOK again:

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    I'm very sad.

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    Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    I'm surprised it took Cruz an hour.

    Oh god... I can't wait to see what Trump is going to say.

    "Scalia was a pussy. Vote Trump and I'll fill SCOTUS with my Throbbing American Cock."

    Or words to the same effect. I honestly expect Trump to pay so many backhanded compliments about Scalia that he might as well be playing Wimbledon.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I searched Twitter for Scalia when this broke, to see if there were any other sources, and one of the things that popped up was Trump saying, like, yesterday, how he thought Scalia and Thomas were great examples of Supreme Court Justices, so if you were looking for what he thinks...

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Speaking of pictures that will be retired now:
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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    now I'm very interested in hearing what their reasoning is for that

    not the real reason, I know that. I mean what they will say the reason is

    Well, I mean, you can't let Obama do it.

    I honestly don't think they'll present or feel a need for any further reason.

    someone should ask them why, but you're right. american news media isn't going to do something like that!

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Scalia was an old conservative so I imagine like most he was not a fan of Trump.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I searched Twitter for Scalia when this broke, to see if there were any other sources, and one of the things that popped up was Trump saying, like, yesterday, how he thought Scalia and Thomas were great examples of Supreme Court Justices, so if you were looking for what he thinks...

    Scalia: brilliant.
    Thomas: less so.

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    PeccaviPeccavi Registered User regular

    I honestly see this happening. And if a dem wins the presidency but the Senate stays Republican, I can see Scala's appointment dragging years.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm hopeful for what a liberal justice in his place could hopefully accomplish

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    David_T wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    now I'm very interested in hearing what their reasoning is for that

    not the real reason, I know that. I mean what they will say the reason is

    Well, I mean, you can't let Obama do it.

    I honestly don't think they'll present or feel a need for any further reason.

    someone should ask them why, but you're right. american news media isn't going to do something like that!

    Something to the effect of Obama being a left wing extremist who is more interested in furthering his own personal agendas than what's actually good for the nation, who the people have obviously turned against as evidenced by the conservative majorities in congress, and how dare he exploit the death of a brilliant and noble man to further the liberal agenda

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I completely get the cynicism

    But there is absolutely no way that's going to happen you guys

    again, the longest EVER was just over 100 days

    They really can't come up with any reason other than "because obama" and that's not going to fly right after almost shutting the government down twice

    its DEFINITELY not going to take like, years into the next presidency

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    YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    I am actually reeling from this

    great legal mind or not, Scalia stood against a lot of things I care about, and having a liberal in his place would be an immense step towards sanity

    but at the same time...now? really? when we're in the middle of the most batshit insane election that there has ever been?

    I am DREADING the next few months

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It is rare that I have as much respect for a guy that I disagree with as much as Scalia.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    I mean after seven years of this shit how do you not know what they're going to say

    They're going to make unsubstantiated gestures toward Obama being to the left of Karl Marx, throw in some veiled racism, and criticize his words and actions based on absurd double standards

    The GOP playbook ain't complicated

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I completely get the cynicism

    But there is absolutely no way that's going to happen you guys

    again, the longest EVER was just over 100 days

    They really can't come up with any reason other than "because obama" and that's not going to fly right after almost shutting the government down twice

    its DEFINITELY not going to take like, years into the next presidency

    Yeah I cannot see them holding up a legit nominee for a full year

    That's just nutso

    They'll throw a tantrum but they'll stop holding their breath eventually

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    David_T wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    now I'm very interested in hearing what their reasoning is for that

    not the real reason, I know that. I mean what they will say the reason is

    Well, I mean, you can't let Obama do it.

    I honestly don't think they'll present or feel a need for any further reason.

    someone should ask them why, but you're right. american news media isn't going to do something like that!

    Something to the effect of Obama being a left wing extremist who is more interested in furthering his own personal agendas than what's actually good for the nation, who the people have obviously turned against as evidenced by the conservative majorities in congress, and how dare he exploit the death of a brilliant and noble man to further the liberal agenda

    I bet Marco Rubio has the perfect line for this.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean after seven years of this shit how do you not know what they're going to say

    They're going to make unsubstantiated gestures toward Obama being to the left of Karl Marx, throw in some veiled racism, and criticize his words and actions based on absurd double standards

    The GOP playbook ain't complicated

    What if they run a flea flicker though?

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    The major thing is that this means the SCOTUS is going to shift to a liberal majority (well, kinda) which is pretty huge. I think that's incentive for republicans to try and break the record.

    I wonder if RBG is going to step down before Obama's term ends.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    how often does the SCOTUS actually rule on cases clearly along party lines?

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    They may break the record

    But they'd have to TRIPLE it to wait for the next presidency

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular




    I'm not sure if that second one's real but that first one alone, and also the second one if it's real

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    that second one is a false quote, the real quote is
    "There is no basis in text, tradition, or even in contemporary practice (if that were enough), for finding in the Constitution a right to demand judicial consideration of newly discovered evidence of innocence brought forward after conviction."

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    ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited February 2016
    It'll be interesting to see, if the GOP does go full obstructionist (heh, "if"), just how much it will help/hurt them come November.

    Especially with the big abortion case coming up in March; if that goes the liberal way will the GOP bet the farm, so to speak, and block everything hoping that they can paint the November election as a kind of super critical moral crusade, banking on increased turnout and motivation from the far right to finally Make America Great Again?

    Or will they get killed for "continuing to do nothing while real working families need our help" or whatever talking point the dem nom eventually goes with?

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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    That's a much better turn of phrase for being an inhuman monster

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    how often does the SCOTUS actually rule on cases clearly along party lines?

    They don't have party lines. They have ways of thinking. You can generally go with certain Justices to vote certain ways on certain issues. Scalia, for example, was a strict interpretationalist. If the language wasn't clearly there, he wasn't going to go for it.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    I completely get the cynicism

    But there is absolutely no way that's going to happen you guys

    again, the longest EVER was just over 100 days

    They really can't come up with any reason other than "because obama" and that's not going to fly right after almost shutting the government down twice

    its DEFINITELY not going to take like, years into the next presidency

    Yeah I cannot see them holding up a legit nominee for a full year

    That's just nutso

    They'll throw a tantrum but they'll stop holding their breath eventually

    I'm not totally up on how this stuff works so I'm curious

    What's to incentivize them to approve an appointee

    Because with the right messaging it seems easy for them to present themselves as holding back a flood of liberal activist Supreme Court decisions, and then appearing weak to their constituency of they ever give into it

    There's no government shutdown or fiscal cliff or other similar awful thing to pressure them into not holding things up indefinitely, and they stand to score points with the people who put them in office if they do so

    Sooooo why not stall the appointment process for a record breaking length of time on the hope that a republican gets elected in november

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