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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular

    Sepinwall says it has the same problems as every other Marvel Netflix show, namely making characters do stupid shit in order to make the plot last 13 episodes when it should really be shorter

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    Sepinwall says it has the same problems as every other Marvel Netflix show, namely making characters do stupid shit in order to make the plot last 13 episodes when it should really be shorter

    That was my main complaint with Jessica Jones
    namely there were like, 3-4 too many "We caught Kilgrave! Damn, he escaped!" plots.

    Still turned out to be a good show overall, so I'm optimistic.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Wyborn wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I thought it was fairly consistent. Strong with super tough skin.

    But things don't need to pierce skin to do damage.

    This is a Jessica Jones spoiler:
    That blast to the head was nothing like Jessica putting his head through concrete

    Or being inside of his bar when that bomb went off

    I've gone over this before so I won't keep on it, but I do hope that the writers figure out better ways to make Luke unable to act in a particular way than the JJ writers did
    If one whack to the head is bad, wouldn't two be even worse? Like maybe the shotgun wasn't the only cause, rather it's the straw that breaks the camels back.
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    Gustav wrote: »
    Actually I'm wondering on this. Is Daredevil the only MCU character with a no killing policy? Aside from the inevitable Spider-Man of course.

    Maybe that's why it has a weird dissonance too.

    Seems to be, yeah. We haven't seen Antman knock someone off intentionally yet, but he hasn't sworn any oaths yet either, I don't think.
    Yellowjacket?

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    Sepinwall says it has the same problems as every other Marvel Netflix show, namely making characters do stupid shit in order to make the plot last 13 episodes when it should really be shorter

    Pretty much what I was expecting anyway

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Just please no creepy incest twins this time.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    so something just occurred to me about Misty Knight

    Comics character attribute/possible show spoiler for people who don't follow comics
    If she does lose her arm in this series to set up for the iconic bionic arm, that scene is going to be read very differently between comics fans and general TV viewers.

    We expect it and know that it's part of her arc/going to make her even more badass, but to a lot of people it's just going to look like the show maiming and possibly fridging it's most prominent/capable female protagonist.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Just please no creepy incest twins this time.

    Man I still do not see how everyone got incest out of that.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Just please no creepy incest twins this time.

    Man I still do not see how everyone got incest out of that.

    How do you not?!

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Just please no creepy incest twins this time.

    Man I still do not see how everyone got incest out of that.

    How do you not?!

    It felt much more like he was in some way developmentally disabled and his sister had grown extremely overprotective of him.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    what incest twins are we talking about?

    edit: oh, in Jessica Jones

    yeah I don't think either one was a particularly successful character.

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    Straightzi wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Just please no creepy incest twins this time.

    Man I still do not see how everyone got incest out of that.

    How do you not?!

    It felt much more like he was in some way developmentally disabled and his sister had grown extremely overprotective of him.

    I've got to say, I don't think they were going for that at all. To me it just felt like two awful, broadly written poor people stereotypes.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    What was the poor person stereotype that they were evincing?

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I mean, to each his own

    I really liked Robyn and Ruben, personally

    Like, they're weird broken people, and they both have some clear problems (Robyn has some paranoia issues, Ruben seems a bit emotionally and mentally immature)

    But they rounded things out nicely in my opinion

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    What was the poor person stereotype that they were evincing?

    "if you live in a poor neighbourhood you will have crazy neighbours who do weird shit" with a side of "poor people are dumb". They were city rednecks.

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    masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    I never got the impression they were stupid

    Odd yes, not very good at interacting with other people sure, but never unintelligent

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    I never got the impression they were stupid

    Odd yes, not very good at interacting with other people sure, but never unintelligent

    Eh, I haven't watched it in a while and had essentially forgotten those characters until someone mentioned them. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    They are an extension of every "crazy roommate/neighbor" story.

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    KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    They're wacky sitcom neighbors from a completely different show.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    I think they COULD have been used well. They start out inviting you to interpret them in the weirdest, creepiest way possible, which is exactly the perspective Jessica Jones is looking at everyone at that point in the show. And as Jessica starts to re-discover her heroic instincts and overcome her trauma a bit more, she also starts realizing that actually Ruben is kind of a sweet heart and his sister, despite being annoying, is loyally looking after him.

    Plus of course Jessica is dealing with her own intense self-loathing, and with how things wind up with Ruben, well.

    But then things get into the flabby badly written portion of the show and the sister is just used to stir up trouble for a couple of episodes and it's just dumb.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    I think they COULD have been used well. They start out inviting you to interpret them in the weirdest, creepiest way possible, which is exactly the perspective Jessica Jones is looking at everyone at that point in the show. And as Jessica starts to re-discover her heroic instincts and overcome her trauma a bit more, she also starts realizing that actually Ruben is kind of a sweet heart and his sister, despite being annoying, is loyally looking after him.

    Plus of course Jessica is dealing with her own intense self-loathing, and with how things wind up with Ruben, well.

    But then things get into the flabby badly written portion of the show and the sister is just used to stir up trouble for a couple of episodes and it's just dumb.

    See I think it perfectly succeeded at this, which is why I like them.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Fakefaux wrote: »
    One thing I'm going to be curious about in Luke Cage is how it contextualizes violence. Superheroes really only make any kind of sense when they're going up against an outlandish, overwhelming threat that is completely beyond the ability of traditional authorities to defeat. That's a necessary component because without it you're left with just vigilantes, and vigilantes are an inherently terrible idea and always have been.

    It's more of an issue for street-level heroes. The Avengers can zip around fighting Nazi death cults and alien invaders, who both seem too cartoonish to take too seriously, but are also so much more powerful than police or the army that you can passably think "Yeah, in this instance it's hand to have some superpowered do-gooders around." At street level you have people fighting gangsters and crooks with superpowered violence and the true fascistic sketchiness of superheroes is unveiled. The threats are more realistic and so the outlandish power of the superhero seems like overkill.

    The only real way to do this is to make even the street level threats outlandish. When Kingpin was first introduced in the comics he wasn't just a gangster: he was a gangster in control of all crime on the eastern seaboard. That is a ludicrous amount of power and influence. At that point, yeah, a superhero seems justified, because no metropolitan police force or even the FBI could tackle a conspiracy that vast, a man with control that deeply twined into all levels of society. In the TV show Kingpin wasn't that powerful, but he was still fantastical, being a crime lord backed by shadowy, supernatural allies and with an overwhelming degree of control over NY authorities.

    That was actually one of the more disappointing things to me about DD S2. The Punisher's inclusion, contrasted with The Hand, seemed like the perfect way to handle this. The Punisher highlights the problems with vigilantes and shows that people like him and Daredevil are not really necessary when it comes to normal street crime, but then The Hand comes along and shows that okay, yes, in the specific instance of immortal ninjas maybe a superhero or two is okay. The problem, ultimately, was that while the DD series has liked to play around with this ethical concepts, it doesn't actually have anything to say about them. The philosophical/ethical stuff just turns into manipulative windowdressing. JJ, for all its faults, played this side of things a lot better by making the conflict much more metaphorical.

    As for Luke Cage, he seems to just be going up against one Harlem gangster and his one crooked local politician ally. For someone as powerful as Luke Cage, it doesn't seem necessary. He's just fighting thugs with guns. They're no threat to him, and his sudden arrival on the scene seems like it would be likely to make the normal gangsters and crooks panic, escalating the situation unnecessarily and threatening civilians. Nothing about the show's premise, so far, has the outlandish element that justifies a superhero's presence. I'm hoping it's still lurking in there somewhere, but if not I'm a littler leery of a show that might be acting like more violence is the solution to black-on-black urban crime.

    With the way the news is going, it almost feelings like they could have dispensed with the black gangsters entirely and had the villains be the cops.

    I wholly disagree with your assertion that superheroes only make sense when presented with fantastical threats. At their core, they've always been people who found themselves with some kind of edge that gave them a advantage over threats they face, and almost always for the sake of other people. It didn't matter if the threat was outlandish or mundane. Hell, just look at the kind of things Superman dealt with way back in the beginning.

    I should also note that Luke Cage absolutely does not want to be a hero, and it looks like he only decides to do something about the situation after the shooting starts.

    I would even say Superman is at his most interesting and effective as a character when he's not going up against fantastical threats. When he's out there trying to help regular people make the world a better place, helping firemen put out fires, helping EMTs after a natural disaster, holding up planes when an engine fails so the pilots can land it safely. There's a reason that Superman's most iconic villain is a regular human being.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I came around on the incest twins

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    -Tal wrote: »
    I came around on the incest twins

    more like incest triplets from the sound of it

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I came around on the incest twins

    more like incest triplets from the sound of it

    Hail hydra

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I came around on the incest twins

    Incest twins are very big in popular media these days.

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    NO TWINCEST

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    There is no commandment against twincest

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    masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    That is patently false

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    cannnnnnn we not

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    SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    The further I get into Daredevil Season 2 the more cringey I get, and the ninjas haven't even shown up yet (end of Episode 7)
    Frank Castle is good. Matt messing up his work/life/vigilante balance is good. The glimpses of ruminating whether vigilantism is morally right is good, when they briefly armwave in that direction. Oh, and Foggy losing it on Matt in the washroom was terrific, go Foggy.

    But Elektra is such a flagrant asshole that I can't believe Matt would be drawn in by her unless I assume he's an idiot. Which, OK, fine, I can do that but it really sucks to have to downgrade him to bluthering dolt. What the heck is so urgent about the Yakuza (to Matt's knowledge), anyway? Of course Elektra wants to do things now now now, but the Yakuza didn't seem like they were much up to anything before Elektra showed up and even now it doesn't seem like something is urgently going to happen if Matt puts them off for a couple of days to deal with the mass murder trial that somehow got scheduled for the next damn week

    Speaking of which, the legal drama is hilaaaaarious, including tidbits like Matt's excellent proposal of asking loaded questions to the medical examiner (ala 'When did you stop beating your wife?'), to the DA objecting to the defence asking leading questions during cross. :rotate:

    Really, I feel like it would have been better in terms of pacing, not to mention realism (both legal and non-legal) if the conflicts of the season were drawn out over a longer period of time. Say, weeks as the Punisher starts killing mobsters and Grotto shows up looking for help, to months after Frank is charged and the team goes through discovery, pre-trial conferences, depositions, etc. And Matt is increasingly absent over this drawn out period of time since he gets wrapped up into investigating the Yakuza.

    Timing-wise on the show, it just seems like Matt is having a bender of a week as he makes the stupidest judgment calls possible with Elektra

    ...Can't wait for Luke Cage, though I don't think I'll be able to finish this before Friday.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Yeah I wish the trial had been given a little more time

    The show totally rushed past it, even though it was a really interesting scenario, and then the trial's over and the show has plenty of time to burn anyway

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    NeoTomaNeoToma Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    But Elektra is such a flagrant asshole that I can't believe Matt would be drawn in by her unless I assume he's an idiot.
    nah that makes perfect sense
    There's something attractive about someone you can be your worst version of yourself around and they'll still love you. In fact they actually LIKE this version of you unlike everyone else. Also Matt is an asshole that likes hurting people.

    Also lawyering is just so boring you know?

    lets just be cool and have adventures and and break into houses and murder people
    oh no bad? *confused puppy face*
    Oh. the last one, in that case what about only bad people, is that what it takes to get you hard? It's cool not really my kink but for you Matt...we'll just murder bad people yeah!

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    DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Misty/Luke conversation in the last trailer when they're talking about being a hero
    She's looking hurt, I wonder whether that's where she loses her arm?

    She might not in this version.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Daredevil 2
    karen and foggy will never understand daredevil, at best they will begrugingly accept it.with Elektra matt doesn't have to hide or constantly justify himself, he is free to act as he wishes

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    SilverWind wrote: »
    The further I get into Daredevil Season 2 the more cringey I get, and the ninjas haven't even shown up yet (end of Episode 7)
    Frank Castle is good. Matt messing up his work/life/vigilante balance is good. The glimpses of ruminating whether vigilantism is morally right is good, when they briefly armwave in that direction. Oh, and Foggy losing it on Matt in the washroom was terrific, go Foggy.

    But Elektra is such a flagrant asshole that I can't believe Matt would be drawn in by her unless I assume he's an idiot. Which, OK, fine, I can do that but it really sucks to have to downgrade him to bluthering dolt. What the heck is so urgent about the Yakuza (to Matt's knowledge), anyway? Of course Elektra wants to do things now now now, but the Yakuza didn't seem like they were much up to anything before Elektra showed up and even now it doesn't seem like something is urgently going to happen if Matt puts them off for a couple of days to deal with the mass murder trial that somehow got scheduled for the next damn week

    Speaking of which, the legal drama is hilaaaaarious, including tidbits like Matt's excellent proposal of asking loaded questions to the medical examiner (ala 'When did you stop beating your wife?'), to the DA objecting to the defence asking leading questions during cross. :rotate:

    Really, I feel like it would have been better in terms of pacing, not to mention realism (both legal and non-legal) if the conflicts of the season were drawn out over a longer period of time. Say, weeks as the Punisher starts killing mobsters and Grotto shows up looking for help, to months after Frank is charged and the team goes through discovery, pre-trial conferences, depositions, etc. And Matt is increasingly absent over this drawn out period of time since he gets wrapped up into investigating the Yakuza.

    Timing-wise on the show, it just seems like Matt is having a bender of a week as he makes the stupidest judgment calls possible with Elektra

    ...Can't wait for Luke Cage, though I don't think I'll be able to finish this before Friday.
    How much longer of a period of time do you want? The season takes place over like six months.

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    SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    NeoToma wrote: »
    But Elektra is such a flagrant asshole that I can't believe Matt would be drawn in by her unless I assume he's an idiot.
    nah that makes perfect sense
    There's something attractive about someone you can be your worst version of yourself around and they'll still love you. In fact they actually LIKE this version of you unlike everyone else. Also Matt is an asshole that likes hurting people.

    Also lawyering is just so boring you know?

    lets just be cool and have adventures and and break into houses and murder people
    oh no bad? *confused puppy face*
    Oh. the last one, in that case what about only bad people, is that what it takes to get you hard? It's cool not really my kink but for you Matt...we'll just murder bad people yeah!

    I understand the logic, and I can see it happening, but... ugh, it makes me lose respect for his character. :P Not that I need to respect his character, but generally I want to like my protagonists/superheroes and want to empathize with their flaws. I can only do so up to a certain point, and Matt is past that point.
    Straightzi wrote: »
    SilverWind wrote: »
    The further I get into Daredevil Season 2 the more cringey I get, and the ninjas haven't even shown up yet (end of Episode 7)
    Frank Castle is good. Matt messing up his work/life/vigilante balance is good. The glimpses of ruminating whether vigilantism is morally right is good, when they briefly armwave in that direction. Oh, and Foggy losing it on Matt in the washroom was terrific, go Foggy.

    But Elektra is such a flagrant asshole that I can't believe Matt would be drawn in by her unless I assume he's an idiot. Which, OK, fine, I can do that but it really sucks to have to downgrade him to bluthering dolt. What the heck is so urgent about the Yakuza (to Matt's knowledge), anyway? Of course Elektra wants to do things now now now, but the Yakuza didn't seem like they were much up to anything before Elektra showed up and even now it doesn't seem like something is urgently going to happen if Matt puts them off for a couple of days to deal with the mass murder trial that somehow got scheduled for the next damn week

    Speaking of which, the legal drama is hilaaaaarious, including tidbits like Matt's excellent proposal of asking loaded questions to the medical examiner (ala 'When did you stop beating your wife?'), to the DA objecting to the defence asking leading questions during cross. :rotate:

    Really, I feel like it would have been better in terms of pacing, not to mention realism (both legal and non-legal) if the conflicts of the season were drawn out over a longer period of time. Say, weeks as the Punisher starts killing mobsters and Grotto shows up looking for help, to months after Frank is charged and the team goes through discovery, pre-trial conferences, depositions, etc. And Matt is increasingly absent over this drawn out period of time since he gets wrapped up into investigating the Yakuza.

    Timing-wise on the show, it just seems like Matt is having a bender of a week as he makes the stupidest judgment calls possible with Elektra

    ...Can't wait for Luke Cage, though I don't think I'll be able to finish this before Friday.
    How much longer of a period of time do you want? The season takes place over like six months.
    I finished Episode 7, so if there are other timeskips I haven't seen them yet. Buuuut, if I'm recalling correctly:

    Episodes 1 and 2 take place during two consecutive days; episodes 2 and 3 similarly happen right after the other (I can't remember if there was a gap, and how long, between negotiating witness protection and the wire-wearing meeting midway through episode 2, but I don't think much time skipped (at all?)). From there, episode 4 concludes with Punisher's arrest, and after an unclear period but what seems to be a couple of days afterward Elektra shows up, we learn about the bazzillion charges Frank is facing, the arraignment is immediately held, and due to his plea there we're told that the trial is in a week. Which is pretty much impossible in the real world, but more importantly feels way too rushed story-wise. Again, it comes off more that Matt is having a bender of a week, rather than if they paced out the discovery process and show his increasing focus on Elektra/vigilantism.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    SilverWind wrote: »
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    NeoToma wrote: »
    But Elektra is such a flagrant asshole that I can't believe Matt would be drawn in by her unless I assume he's an idiot.
    nah that makes perfect sense
    There's something attractive about someone you can be your worst version of yourself around and they'll still love you. In fact they actually LIKE this version of you unlike everyone else. Also Matt is an asshole that likes hurting people.

    Also lawyering is just so boring you know?

    lets just be cool and have adventures and and break into houses and murder people
    oh no bad? *confused puppy face*
    Oh. the last one, in that case what about only bad people, is that what it takes to get you hard? It's cool not really my kink but for you Matt...we'll just murder bad people yeah!

    I understand the logic, and I can see it happening, but... ugh, it makes me lose respect for his character. :P Not that I need to respect his character, but generally I want to like my protagonists/superheroes and want to empathize with their flaws. I can only do so up to a certain point, and Matt is past that point.
    Straightzi wrote: »
    SilverWind wrote: »
    The further I get into Daredevil Season 2 the more cringey I get, and the ninjas haven't even shown up yet (end of Episode 7)
    Frank Castle is good. Matt messing up his work/life/vigilante balance is good. The glimpses of ruminating whether vigilantism is morally right is good, when they briefly armwave in that direction. Oh, and Foggy losing it on Matt in the washroom was terrific, go Foggy.

    But Elektra is such a flagrant asshole that I can't believe Matt would be drawn in by her unless I assume he's an idiot. Which, OK, fine, I can do that but it really sucks to have to downgrade him to bluthering dolt. What the heck is so urgent about the Yakuza (to Matt's knowledge), anyway? Of course Elektra wants to do things now now now, but the Yakuza didn't seem like they were much up to anything before Elektra showed up and even now it doesn't seem like something is urgently going to happen if Matt puts them off for a couple of days to deal with the mass murder trial that somehow got scheduled for the next damn week

    Speaking of which, the legal drama is hilaaaaarious, including tidbits like Matt's excellent proposal of asking loaded questions to the medical examiner (ala 'When did you stop beating your wife?'), to the DA objecting to the defence asking leading questions during cross. :rotate:

    Really, I feel like it would have been better in terms of pacing, not to mention realism (both legal and non-legal) if the conflicts of the season were drawn out over a longer period of time. Say, weeks as the Punisher starts killing mobsters and Grotto shows up looking for help, to months after Frank is charged and the team goes through discovery, pre-trial conferences, depositions, etc. And Matt is increasingly absent over this drawn out period of time since he gets wrapped up into investigating the Yakuza.

    Timing-wise on the show, it just seems like Matt is having a bender of a week as he makes the stupidest judgment calls possible with Elektra

    ...Can't wait for Luke Cage, though I don't think I'll be able to finish this before Friday.
    How much longer of a period of time do you want? The season takes place over like six months.
    I finished Episode 7, so if there are other timeskips I haven't seen them yet. Buuuut, if I'm recalling correctly:

    Episodes 1 and 2 take place during two consecutive days; episodes 2 and 3 similarly happen right after the other (I can't remember if there was a gap, and how long, between negotiating witness protection and the wire-wearing meeting midway through episode 2, but I don't think much time skipped (at all?)). From there, episode 4 concludes with Punisher's arrest, and after an unclear period but what seems to be a couple of days afterward Elektra shows up, we learn about the bazzillion charges Frank is facing, the arraignment is immediately held, and due to his plea there we're told that the trial is in a week. Which is pretty much impossible in the real world, but more importantly feels way too rushed story-wise. Again, it comes off more that Matt is having a bender of a week, rather than if they paced out the discovery process and show his increasing focus on Elektra/vigilantism.
    Well, I'm honestly not sure how the timeline works myself. I was pretty unsatisfied with the pacing (and the season overall).

    But I know that it starts in the middle of a sweltering summer and ends (very very minor spoilers, but better safe than sorry)
    around Christmas Eve (mentioned in Karen's story)

    Some of that time jumping is potentially done after the end of the main plot, as the scene in question is epilogue material, but still, somehow six months pass

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    SilverWindSilverWind Registered User regular
    Oh, I see! Weird, but good to know I have that to look forward to. I'll probably have a bunch more thoughts on the pacing after I finish the remaining episodes. :D

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    On my second viewing of the first season of Daredevil, I became curious if the showrunners were actually paying attention to little things like the day / night cycles. So I would jot down a 'day' or 'night' header, then a short description of what was happening for each scene. I did the same thing on my first watch of season 2.
    I ended up with 15 days passing on-screen, plus the week that gets skipped over. With some caveats, of course.

    I made a similar assumption - that the heat wave placed it towards the middle of summer - but it's not implausible that it's simply unseasonal. The show may pick up closer to September.

    And I need to go back through and check, but I think there were a couple of other minor timeskips, just not advertised as such.

    Which is to say that, instead of
    day - night - day - night

    I have a couple instances of
    day - day

    with no way to determine if it's "the next day", or "several days later"

    as for Frank's timeline, he's been at it for a bit. The attack on the Dogs of Hell takes place about a week before the season opens.


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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    at one point I did a scan of newspaper dates in daredevil and some of them just openly contradict each other so shrug emoji

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