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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Thread

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    Nobody actually likes Star Trek time travel stories.
    When will they learn!?!?

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I.... I liked a couple of them....

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    ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    No member of the general public, which is to say, the audience that any big-ticket movie needs to bring in, is walking around right now going "man I want some star trek with time travel and totally obscure continuity porn."

    Time travel? I'm with you on that one. Nobody actually likes Star Trek time travel stories.
    But you're telling me nobody wants continuity? Tell that to all the Heroes/Lost/24/BSG fans. And, yes, I know we're talking about movies and not TV shows. But guess what? Movie ticket sales are declining while TV viewership is going up, largely driven by shows with continuity and complicated storylines. So why is Viacom sinking dollars into a movie instead of riding the Tivo wave while its still hot? (Rhetorical question, I know the actual reason why, and it's stupid.)

    The continuity is pretty much what killed Trek - the self-imposed imperative to return to familiar scenarios, storylines, settings, etc - so I can sympathise with the decision to return to the most risqué, adventurous and dangerous Trek.

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    AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    There were a few good ones, like Trials and Tribble-ations. Oh and The City on the Edge of Forever, the original time travel episode.

    I was watching Battlestar with my dad last night, an older episode from season 2. Roslin is still dying of cancer, and she jokes that she wants a new body, one of those Cylon ones. We had a good laugh when dad commented that if this were Star Trek, they'd do just that. All they need to do is remodulate the polarity of the main deflector, increase the plasma throughput and and invert the wavelength of the Heisenberg compensators to generate a wave of subspace flux particles, effectively beaming Roslin's soul into the new body.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Zsetrek wrote: »
    The continuity is pretty much what killed Trek - the self-imposed imperative to return to familiar scenarios, storylines, settings, etc

    You know that these are almost exactly polar opposite concepts, right?

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    Zsetrek wrote: »
    The continuity is pretty much what killed Trek - the self-imposed imperative to return to familiar scenarios, storylines, settings, etc

    You know that these are almost exactly polar opposite concepts, right?

    Maybe I'm not being clear - the ever-expanding Trek mythos, while cool, is not what the wider world is interested in, and it hems writers in by chaining them into fleshing out ideas rather than coming up with new ones. The franchise, IMO, suffered under the weight of too many self-imposed constraints towards the end. TOS writers were freer to make up any old shit they wanted for the sake of a good story.

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    GlyphGlyph Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    MrMister wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Nobody actually likes Star Trek time travel stories.
    When will they learn!?!?

    "TEMPORAL ANOMALY. TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE. TEMPORAL COLD WAR."

    "No," whispers Berman. "That's not nearly enough."
    Azio wrote: »
    This thread needs more Garak:

    "You should never tell the same lie twice."

    I take it Garak has never watched Law & Order?

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Zsetrek wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Zsetrek wrote: »
    The continuity is pretty much what killed Trek - the self-imposed imperative to return to familiar scenarios, storylines, settings, etc

    You know that these are almost exactly polar opposite concepts, right?

    Maybe I'm not being clear - the ever-expanding Trek mythos, while cool, is not what the wider world is interested in, and it hems writers in by chaining them into fleshing out ideas rather than coming up with new ones. The franchise, IMO, suffered under the weight of too many self-imposed constraints towards the end. TOS writers were freer to make up any old shit they wanted for the sake of a good story.

    Okay, I get what you're saying now.

    It's just that continuity implies continuous change. Shows that lack continuity generally reset to a base state at the end of every episode. That way all the same characters, the same sets, the same basic situations are reused at the beginning of the next episode.

    Lack of continuity is what causes a return to familiar scenarios, storylines, settings, etc. Every TOS episode began and ended with Kirk and Spock on the bridge. Nobody ever died, they never lost their ship, every episode followed pretty much the same structure.

    Frankly, I don't agree that's what people want. As I mentioned, epic shows with long story arcs and continuity are getting more popular.

    I guess I don't have a whole lot of confidence in reboots and even less in movies made from old TV shows. For some reason, I keep getting images of Lost in Space dancing in my head. I guess my problem is that I just can't imagine how a Star Trek movie using young Kirk, Spock, etc. - characters which, frankly, are relics from the 1960s - could possibly be good. The only thing that made the Star Trek movies from the 1980s any good is that the characters finally grew up - Wrath of Khan is about aging as much as it is about revenge. Even then, most of them sucked.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    SnarfmasterSnarfmaster Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Azio wrote: »
    There were a few good ones, like Trials and Tribble-ations. Oh and The City on the Edge of Forever, the original time travel episode.

    I was watching Battlestar with my dad last night, an older episode from season 2. Roslin is still dying of cancer, and she jokes that she wants a new body, one of those Cylon ones. We had a good laugh when dad commented that if this were Star Trek, they'd do just that. All they need to do is remodulate the polarity of the main deflector, increase the plasma throughput and and invert the wavelength of the Heisenberg compensators to generate a wave of subspace flux particles, effectively beaming Roslin's soul into the new body.

    Inverse tacheyon pulse... works every time!

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    You just have to reverse the polarity.

    Yes.. that is the solution to everything.

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    And route it through the deflector dish.

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    LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    MKR wrote: »
    And route it through the deflector dish.

    Array. It's the all-powerful Deflector Array.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    decompress the shuttlebay!

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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD!

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    GlyphGlyph Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    What are these "EPS conduits" and why do we keep losing them?

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Glyph wrote: »
    What are these "EPS conduits" and why do we keep losing them?

    They are the most important of things. Without them, reality would come crumbling down.

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    LibrarianThorneLibrarianThorne Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    You know what I will buy if it is offered? A cell phone that is like the TOS communicator, and makes the noise whenever it opens and closes. I would buy that SO HARD. Even if it was an iPhone.

    Trek tech is the best tech, though it should be said that Doctor Who was the one who reversed polarity and TNG stole that.

    Trek needs another 100 year jump story, like the gap between TOS and TNG. The TNG era (that is, TNG and DS9) is funderfulmazing, but it's time to do something new.

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    You know what I will buy if it is offered? A cell phone that is like the TOS communicator, and makes the noise whenever it opens and closes. I would buy that SO HARD. Even if it was an iPhone.

    Trek tech is the best tech, though it should be said that Doctor Who was the one who reversed polarity and TNG stole that.

    Trek needs another 100 year jump story, like the gap between TOS and TNG. The TNG era (that is, TNG and DS9) is funderfulmazing, but it's time to do something new.

    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/bluetooth-star-trek-communicator-025437.php

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    LibrarianThorneLibrarianThorne Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    MKR wrote: »
    You know what I will buy if it is offered? A cell phone that is like the TOS communicator, and makes the noise whenever it opens and closes. I would buy that SO HARD. Even if it was an iPhone.

    Trek tech is the best tech, though it should be said that Doctor Who was the one who reversed polarity and TNG stole that.

    Trek needs another 100 year jump story, like the gap between TOS and TNG. The TNG era (that is, TNG and DS9) is funderfulmazing, but it's time to do something new.

    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/bluetooth-star-trek-communicator-025437.php

    I hate you so much right now. Goddamn.

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    MKR wrote: »
    You know what I will buy if it is offered? A cell phone that is like the TOS communicator, and makes the noise whenever it opens and closes. I would buy that SO HARD. Even if it was an iPhone.

    Trek tech is the best tech, though it should be said that Doctor Who was the one who reversed polarity and TNG stole that.

    Trek needs another 100 year jump story, like the gap between TOS and TNG. The TNG era (that is, TNG and DS9) is funderfulmazing, but it's time to do something new.

    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/bluetooth-star-trek-communicator-025437.php

    I hate you so much right now. Goddamn.

    According to the dude that commented on it, it's easy to make. Go take a stab at it. :P

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    TachTach Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Glyph wrote: »
    What are these "EPS conduits" and why do we keep losing them?

    EPS Conduit

    Memory Alpha- your source for information on Galactic technology.

    Tach on
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