what your saying would be as sensible as every military family in the country calling each other to count the bodies and then calling you personally to let you know.
think before you type plz.
You understand what happens when people in the military die, right? Money is disbursed, honors are given, multiple relatives are contacted by the government, etc etc. More so the family receives a report as to what happened.
Now, if what you're saying is true, then there are 12k families out there who don't care about any of that.
He's suggesting that the families are aware of it, but that they think he is on the official tally for Iraq rather than Germany. The problem being that 1) he's yet to prove this actually is happening, and 2) everything else that's wrong with it.
Does he have a point about people dying out-of-country as a result of injuries failing to be reported in the "official number"? What about suicides or people who die in, say, traffic accidents in-country or whatever.
He might, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they intersperse their article with personal insults towards Dubya, and other related stupidity.
I mean, most of the folks at NPR aren't big fans of the Prez either, but you never hear them say, "...and with a 26% approval rating, the Bush Administration is clamoring for any sign of success in Iraq, the big dumb stupidheads. For NPR news, I'm Lakshmi Singh in Kuala Lumpur."
surely any of you can see what bush has to gain by keeping military deaths as narrowly defined as possible.
it doesn't take that much reasoning power.
Ah, yes, the old "If you don't believe my unsubstantiated claims, you must be stupid" argument. How I've missed you.
Just because someone could benefit from a deception doesn't mean that that deception is occurring; in this case, I don't believe this particular deception is even feasible for them to attempt.
yet, you have nothing to offer to oppose said information. just a belief in your own cynical wallowing.
the truth will come out eventually, just like it did with Vietnam, and you'll be just as uninformed then too.
I didn't say you were stupid, btw, just said you were lazy and uninformed.
so the argument i'm using isn't the one you "missed" at all.
Another example of your lack of reasoning power.
it sucks having to discuss these things with people who never take the time to truly understand the nature of war and propaganda, but such is the internet.
Gold, you need to stop now. The way you're posting is... well... remarkably similar to the way I was posting when I first joined these boards. I'm not sure if you have the same issues I have (unlikely), but the lack of any kind of substantiation and aggresive attitude aren't good signs that you're mentally on the level.
At the very least take a bit of time off, plan out your argument carefully, with multiple sources for citation, and then come back and try this again. If you continue this thread will simply be you getting more upset and the rest of the forum ridiculing you.
It's less the number of deaths that pisses people off as it is the period of time over which those deaths have occurred and during which nothing has changed. If the war cost 15k lives but everything became flowers and lollipops support for the war would still be high. It's the constant lack of any tangible advancement that's the issue.
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The internet gives me a native +2 bonus in Craft (Disturbing Mental Image).
surely any of you can see what bush has to gain by keeping military deaths as narrowly defined as possible.
it doesn't take that much reasoning power.
Ah, yes, the old "If you don't believe my unsubstantiated claims, you must be stupid" argument. How I've missed you.
Just because someone could benefit from a deception doesn't mean that that deception is occurring; in this case, I don't believe this particular deception is even feasible for them to attempt.
yet, you have nothing to offer to oppose said information. just a belief in your own cynical wallowing.
the truth will come out eventually, just like it did with Vietnam, and you'll be just as uninformed then too.
I didn't say you were stupid, btw, just said you were lazy and uninformed.
so the argument i'm using isn't the one you "missed" at all.
Another example of your lack of reasoning power.
it sucks having to discuss these things with people who never take the time to truly understand the nature of war and propaganda, but such is the internet.
(biting tongue...) That's better.
If I assert that "A is true", then it's my responsiblity to defend that statement. And no, calling people idiots is not a defense.
it sucks having to discuss these things with people who never take the time to truly understand the nature of war and propaganda, but such is the internet.
Yes, it really does but it seems like you're compelled to not understand war, propaganda, or reasoning.
yet, you have nothing to offer to oppose said information. just a belief in your own cynical wallowing.
What information? I asked you to substantiate this guy's claims in the first post. Would you mind doing that so that there would actually, you know, be information that we could consider and debunk.
yet, you have nothing to offer to oppose said information. just a belief in your own cynical wallowing.
I take it by this comment that you have elected not to read my philosophical dialogue on burden of proof.
the truth will come out eventually, just like it did with Vietnam, and you'll be just as uninformed then too.
Joke's on you, I wasn't even born yet then!
I didn't say you were stupid, btw, just said you were lazy and uninformed.
so the argument i'm using isn't the one you "missed" at all.
Another example of your lack of reasoning power.
"I didn't say you're stupid; by the way, you're stupid"
It must be so great being one of only seventeen people in the world who know the truth of it all. Clearly it isn't possible that you're simply batshit insane. It's always the other six billion people who are crazy.
it sucks having to discuss these things with people who never take the time to truly understand the nature of war and propaganda, but such is the internet.
Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahaahahaahahahaha oh god im having a stroke
That's all the evidence you really need. I think that if there were 12,000 people missing from that list, their families would notice. I'm curious as to what Gold thinks about that.
Gold, you need to stop now. The way you're posting is... well... remarkably similar to the way I was posting when I first joined these boards. I'm not sure if you have the same issues I have (unlikely), but the lack of any kind of substantiation and aggresive attitude aren't good signs that you're mentally on the level.
At the very least take a bit of time off, plan out your argument carefully, with multiple sources for citation, and then come back and try this again. If you continue this thread will simply be you getting more upset and the rest of the forum ridiculing you.
1. im not upset.
2. i could care less what strangers on a silly forum "think about me".
Gold, you need to stop now. The way you're posting is... well... remarkably similar to the way I was posting when I first joined these boards. I'm not sure if you have the same issues I have (unlikely), but the lack of any kind of substantiation and aggresive attitude aren't good signs that you're mentally on the level.
At the very least take a bit of time off, plan out your argument carefully, with multiple sources for citation, and then come back and try this again. If you continue this thread will simply be you getting more upset and the rest of the forum ridiculing you.
1. im not upset.
2. i could care less what strangers on a silly forum "think about me".
here is some advice for you.
leave high school.
The phrase is 'couldn't care less' not 'could care less' because if you could care less that means you do actually care about what strangers on a silly forum think about you, which you apparently do.
Here is some advice for you. Go back to High School. Or at least get your GED.
I think this issue has been pretty much settled. There is a 99% chance that this is some retarded conspiracy theory that holds little water when you try to think about how this could happen. There are way too many ways to prove that the official list is the proper one.
Also, does the military even take high school dropouts? I thought they had standards.
They've been lowered to meet the need for bodies. I'm pretty sure they'll take dropouts now. Also, drug related felons and people charged with assault crimes.
Also, does the military even take high school dropouts? I thought they had standards.
They've been lowered to meet the need for bodies. I'm pretty sure they'll take dropouts now. Also, drug related felons and people charged with assault crimes.
Well, I'm sure that'll help avoid another Abu Ghraib type scandal
Also, does the military even take high school dropouts? I thought they had standards.
They've been lowered to meet the need for bodies. I'm pretty sure they'll take dropouts now. Also, drug related felons and people charged with assault crimes.
Let's not forget gang members and white supremacists, too.
Am I the only one who thinks military service will someday become an optional/compulsory sentence for criminal offenders?
Regarding the OP: Iraqi deaths are the ones we can keep in conservative estimates since we really have no way of finding out exactly how many have perished. That's not the case with American dead. When one of soldiers die, we know about it. The administration may be able to cover up how they died (at least temporarily), but not the fact of their death. To say nothing of twelve thousand more than the number on paper.
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If we were going for "Kill Ratio," don't you think we'd just bomb bomb and bomb some more?
He's suggesting that the families are aware of it, but that they think he is on the official tally for Iraq rather than Germany. The problem being that 1) he's yet to prove this actually is happening, and 2) everything else that's wrong with it.
He might, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they intersperse their article with personal insults towards Dubya, and other related stupidity.
I mean, most of the folks at NPR aren't big fans of the Prez either, but you never hear them say, "...and with a 26% approval rating, the Bush Administration is clamoring for any sign of success in Iraq, the big dumb stupidheads. For NPR news, I'm Lakshmi Singh in Kuala Lumpur."
yet, you have nothing to offer to oppose said information. just a belief in your own cynical wallowing.
the truth will come out eventually, just like it did with Vietnam, and you'll be just as uninformed then too.
I didn't say you were stupid, btw, just said you were lazy and uninformed.
so the argument i'm using isn't the one you "missed" at all.
Another example of your lack of reasoning power.
it sucks having to discuss these things with people who never take the time to truly understand the nature of war and propaganda, but such is the internet.
At the very least take a bit of time off, plan out your argument carefully, with multiple sources for citation, and then come back and try this again. If you continue this thread will simply be you getting more upset and the rest of the forum ridiculing you.
what?
this thread would meet your standards if there was a picture of 7,000 coffins?
are you stupid?
and yes i'm calling this guy stupid.
(biting tongue...) That's better.
If I assert that "A is true", then it's my responsiblity to defend that statement. And no, calling people idiots is not a defense.
Yes, it really does but it seems like you're compelled to not understand war, propaganda, or reasoning.
What information? I asked you to substantiate this guy's claims in the first post. Would you mind doing that so that there would actually, you know, be information that we could consider and debunk.
Damn I'm good at finding information.
Joke's on you, I wasn't even born yet then!
"I didn't say you're stupid; by the way, you're stupid"
It must be so great being one of only seventeen people in the world who know the truth of it all. Clearly it isn't possible that you're simply batshit insane. It's always the other six billion people who are crazy.
Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahaahahaahahahaha oh god im having a stroke
I lost a sock the other day. Mind taking a crack at it?
That's all the evidence you really need. I think that if there were 12,000 people missing from that list, their families would notice. I'm curious as to what Gold thinks about that.
1. im not upset.
2. i could care less what strangers on a silly forum "think about me".
here is some advice for you.
leave high school.
I almost wish entropykid was here to show him how to do this sort of thing properly.
The phrase is 'couldn't care less' not 'could care less' because if you could care less that means you do actually care about what strangers on a silly forum think about you, which you apparently do.
Here is some advice for you. Go back to High School. Or at least get your GED.
FTT
I'd rather join the navy.
Because then you can sail the seven seas.
And join your fellow man.
In buttsex.
The reptilians are behind this!
Drop out and join the <insert branch of the military here>
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11203
Also, holding "page down" through that list is really, really
I know, I already covered it. Do you also feel sorry for the uninformed fools who don't realize the truth?
Damnit, NO. Does the term "positive feedback loop" mean anything to you?
Not anymore.
They've been lowered to meet the need for bodies. I'm pretty sure they'll take dropouts now. Also, drug related felons and people charged with assault crimes.
Let's not forget gang members and white supremacists, too.
though I'm only saying this because I'm being controlled by the repitilian horde.
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Regarding the OP: Iraqi deaths are the ones we can keep in conservative estimates since we really have no way of finding out exactly how many have perished. That's not the case with American dead. When one of soldiers die, we know about it. The administration may be able to cover up how they died (at least temporarily), but not the fact of their death. To say nothing of twelve thousand more than the number on paper.
Well, they DO have 15,000 dead to replace.