If you're looking to expand it from just military service in to "something that benefits society", then you run in to a HUGE issue of subjectivity. IMO, we should do our darndest to keep the government away from subjective legislation.
Also, what about folks who simply have no ability to serve our country in any regard? Should they be denied a vote?
Hmm... The only people I can think of that have no ability to serve our country in any regard are criminals in prison, people in a coma... and... uh... none of them vote anyway. If somehow you're implying that competency should be required to vote, then yes, I believe you should be required to meet the criteria for being competent in court to vote.
You're being very coy about outlining your idea of "service", so I cn't give any specific examples, but suffice to say, they will ALWAYS be exceptions, and it realluy bothers me the fact that you are okay with the idea of some folks just being left out in the cold.
This country was founded in order to give people rights. You are advocating changing the costitution in order to REDUCE people's rights. THAT is fucked up, IMO.
No... I'm doing what everyone else is doing, trying to make this a better country. Do you disagree that requiring competency to vote is a bad thing? Should those who lack the mental ability to make decisions that are beneficial to themselves, or who would choose to hurt themselves and/or others, have the ability to influence the way the country is governed? I'm not disputing their right to hurt themselves, I'm disputing their right to influence the governing of my beloved country. Requiring competency to vote would not be a Bad Thing [tm]. Also, this country was founded in order to give people the freedom of religion... many people in this country when it was founded didn't have rights.
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If you're looking to expand it from just military service in to "something that benefits society", then you run in to a HUGE issue of subjectivity. IMO, we should do our darndest to keep the government away from subjective legislation.
Also, what about folks who simply have no ability to serve our country in any regard? Should they be denied a vote?
Hmm... The only people I can think of that have no ability to serve our country in any regard are criminals in prison, people in a coma... and... uh... none of them vote anyway. If somehow you're implying that competency should be required to vote, then yes, I believe you should be required to meet the criteria for being competent in court to vote.
You're being very coy about outlining your idea of "service", so I cn't give any specific examples, but suffice to say, they will ALWAYS be exceptions, and it realluy bothers me the fact that you are okay with the idea of some folks just being left out in the cold.
This country was founded in order to give people rights. You are advocating changing the costitution in order to REDUCE people's rights. THAT is fucked up, IMO.
No... I'm doing what everyone else is doing, trying to make this a better country. Do you disagree that requiring competency to vote is a bad thing? Should those who lack the mental ability to make decisions that are beneficial to themselves, or who would choose to hurt themselves and/or others, have the ability to influence the way the country is governed? I'm not disputing their right to hurt themselves, I'm disputing their right to influence the governing of my beloved country. Requiring competency to vote would not be a Bad Thing [tm]. Also, this country was founded in order to give people the freedom of religion... many people in this country when it was founded didn't have rights.
You are a complete fuckwit to whom the concepts of liberty and democracy are entirely alien and oh god why am I even responding to this.
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If you're looking to expand it from just military service in to "something that benefits society", then you run in to a HUGE issue of subjectivity. IMO, we should do our darndest to keep the government away from subjective legislation.
Also, what about folks who simply have no ability to serve our country in any regard? Should they be denied a vote?
Hmm... The only people I can think of that have no ability to serve our country in any regard are criminals in prison, people in a coma... and... uh... none of them vote anyway. If somehow you're implying that competency should be required to vote, then yes, I believe you should be required to meet the criteria for being competent in court to vote.
You're being very coy about outlining your idea of "service", so I cn't give any specific examples, but suffice to say, they will ALWAYS be exceptions, and it realluy bothers me the fact that you are okay with the idea of some folks just being left out in the cold.
This country was founded in order to give people rights. You are advocating changing the costitution in order to REDUCE people's rights. THAT is fucked up, IMO.
No... I'm doing what everyone else is doing, trying to make this a better country. Do you disagree that requiring competency to vote is a bad thing? Should those who lack the mental ability to make decisions that are beneficial to themselves, or who would choose to hurt themselves and/or others, have the ability to influence the way the country is governed? I'm not disputing their right to hurt themselves, I'm disputing their right to influence the governing of my beloved country. Requiring competency to vote would not be a Bad Thing [tm]. Also, this country was founded in order to give people the freedom of religion... many people in this country when it was founded didn't have rights.
Founded for religion? Did you miss the Boston Tea Party? The founding of this nation was HEAVILY about taxation without representation, which seems to be what you are advocating.
A single vote from some one lacking competancy will not drive the nation astray, but it WILL protect the votes of many other people who DO deserve them.
It's been a long hard road to get to the point where we are at, but just because we used to have slaves doesn't mean that we should now strip some folks of their right to vote.
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Most people here are generally in agreement that videogames can have a negative mental impact on young (not like, 15, 16) children, aren't they? Same with schlock gore films.
Um, no. I'm not.
Would you watch Reservoir Dogs with your eight-year olds? Seriously, that comes under the "bad parenting" label for me, and most people I'd hope.
No, I probably would not. However, until you can show substantive proof that viewing violent images has a long-term negative affect on a childs development, then its MY damn business if I do decide to watch it with them.
Also, in case it wasn't clear, I don't agree that there is any proof of "negative mental impact" on young children from violent / sexual videogames.
Also, to establish credentials, I'm a 33 year old father of 2 (number 3 on the way). My son has been playing GTA with me since he was 8.
You are a complete fuckwit to whom the concepts of liberty and democracy are entirely alien and oh god why am I even responding to this.
Please, and I am being serious, explain to me how liberty and democracy are alien to me.
You want to strip rights and voice from a bunch of people, and create a tiered citizenry.
You LITTERALLY want to create a second class of citizens.
What bothers me more, though, is thatyou think that military service somehow prepares people to vote. I don't see how having a military background makes you better suited for voting, but having an economics background does not.
Also, if I don't "earn" the right to vote, then does that mean that I don't have to pay taxes?
No, you still have to pay taxes, but if you served your two years and then became an economist, you'd get a tax break!
So, you are LITTERALY espousing taxation without representation?
Fun to be had by all, no? Ok, so how's this, no service requirement, but you must have a license to vote, similar to a drivers license, showing that you are mentally competent?
e: Added mentally before competent.
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You are a complete fuckwit to whom the concepts of liberty and democracy are entirely alien and oh god why am I even responding to this.
Please, and I am being serious, explain to me how liberty and democracy are alien to me.
Democracy is all ABOUT giving everyone the right to vote. Western civilization is built on the very principle that nobody knows better than anyone else how best to govern, that government is a matter of consensus if the fairest outcome is to be reached. If you start thinking some people's votes are "bad", then it's a slippery slope until you start thinking that only Our Wise Leader knows best and fuck everyone else.
Also, a military-only "democracy" would naturally bend the votes towards militaristic governments, making people opposed to the military silenced, and with no opposition, there is no democracy.
They're going to ban video games (all of them) in Afghanistan. Also reinstate most of the Sharia laws that were in place under the Taliban. (women not allowed to show faces in public, etc.)
Maybe JT should move there. He'd be a happier man for it.
Also, if I don't "earn" the right to vote, then does that mean that I don't have to pay taxes?
No, you still have to pay taxes, but if you served your two years and then became an economist, you'd get a tax break!
So, you are LITTERALY espousing taxation without representation?
Fun to be had by all, no? Ok, so how's this, no service requirement, but you must have a license to vote, similar to a drivers license, showing that you are mentally competent?
e: Added mentally before competent.
I do not like it BECAUSE of the potential for abuse.
Voting ALREADY requires registration. Adding some kind of exam to it brings dangerous legal ground. What if there is no one available to proctor in a language that the potential voter speaks? Are the questions the same nation wide, or do they varry by state? Are the requireents the same nation wide, or do they varry by state? Etcetera.
I believe that the sorts of exams you are talking about have been challenged in court, and deemed unlawful. You're advocating rewriting the constitution, then?
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You are a complete fuckwit to whom the concepts of liberty and democracy are entirely alien and oh god why am I even responding to this.
Please, and I am being serious, explain to me how liberty and democracy are alien to me.
Democracy is all ABOUT giving everyone the right to vote. Western civilization is built on the very principle that nobody knows better than anyone else how best to govern, that government is a matter of consensus if the fairest outcome is to be reached. If you start thinking some people's votes are "bad", then it's a slippery slope until you start thinking that only Our Wise Leader knows best and fuck everyone else.
Also, a military-only "democracy" would naturally bend the votes towards militaristic governments, making people opposed to the military silenced, and with no opposition, there is no democracy.
Wait, huh? You were replying to me about what I said about people who want to hurt themselves or others not having the right to vote... I'm not sure you're aware, but people with a felony on their record are not allowed to vote. So in our current system, not everyone has the right to vote. I would just add that people who are not mentally competent in a court of law should also not be allowed to vote. If they have no possible way of understanding the issues at hand, as determined by a court of law, then you're saying they should still be allowed to vote?
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You are a complete fuckwit to whom the concepts of liberty and democracy are entirely alien and oh god why am I even responding to this.
Please, and I am being serious, explain to me how liberty and democracy are alien to me.
Democracy is all ABOUT giving everyone the right to vote. Western civilization is built on the very principle that nobody knows better than anyone else how best to govern, that government is a matter of consensus if the fairest outcome is to be reached. If you start thinking some people's votes are "bad", then it's a slippery slope until you start thinking that only Our Wise Leader knows best and fuck everyone else.
Also, a military-only "democracy" would naturally bend the votes towards militaristic governments, making people opposed to the military silenced, and with no opposition, there is no democracy.
Wait, huh? You were replying to me about what I said about people who want to hurt themselves or others not having the right to vote... I'm not sure you're aware, but people with a felony on their record are not allowed to vote. So in our current system, not everyone has the right to vote. I would just add that people who are not mentally competent in a court of law should also not be allowed to vote. If they have no possible way of understanding the issues at hand, as determined by a court of law, then you're saying they should still be allowed to vote?
I'm saying every citizen should be allowed to vote, no matter the condition. As it is up here in Canada (yes, even convicted felons get to vote here). Putting restrictions is anti-democratic, period.
I believe that the sorts of exams you are talking about have been challenged in court, and deemed unlawful. You're advocating rewriting the constitution, then?
For the record, I never said anything about an examination. Thinking about it, then yes, it would probably be required, similar to a drivers test I'm thinking. Model it after a drivers license and you pretty much have what I'm thinking of. But to make it really spicy we could add in a mandatory tracking chip that you would be required to use to log on to any computer that would identify you with biometrics so there's no possible way someone to steal your identity. And you would have to pay a monthly fee to keep it current. And just to see if anyone made it this far, we could add backward cat stroking.
I like Evanders stance about never being serious about anything.
Oh, and the constitution is re-written on a regular basis. The first ten amendments stay roughly the same, but the rest of them are fair game.
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I like Evanders stance about never being serious about anything.
The other day at work, I was tasked with figuring out if there was a difference between the value of a human life in Wisconsin, and the value of a human life in Virginia.
When you look at things through that lense, how can you take them seriously?
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Guys, can we move the voting discussion to D&D so we don't get this thread locked? I'd much rather talk about olol Hompson...
To be fair, Jack Thompson is concerned with civil liberties. He's just concerned with taking them away.
For our safety!
... Well, okay, not our safety, as I'm sure he'd be perfectly happy if all gamers suffered a simultaneous worldwide seizure and died. But the safety of everyone else, at least. You know, so long as it gets him book sales and time on poorly-researched TV news shows.
To be fair, Jack Thompson is concerned with civil liberties. He's just concerned with taking them away.
For our safety!
... Well, okay, not our safety, as I'm sure he'd be perfectly happy if all gamers suffered a simultaneous worldwide seizure and died. But the safety of everyone else, at least. You know, so long as it gets him book sales and time on poorly-researched TV news shows.
Does he have a book?
Jackie's not anti-gamer; he's anti-youth culture. Games are his current outlet, but far from his first.
To be fair, Jack Thompson is concerned with civil liberties. He's just concerned with taking them away.
For our safety!
... Well, okay, not our safety, as I'm sure he'd be perfectly happy if all gamers suffered a simultaneous worldwide seizure and died. But the safety of everyone else, at least. You know, so long as it gets him book sales and time on poorly-researched TV news shows.
Does he have a book?
Jackie's not anti-gamer; he's anti-youth culture. Games are his current outlet, but far from his first.
Yeah, he has a book. Don't ask me any more than that though - I couldn't tell you. You're right about the other thing, though. He's rallied against virtually everything kids these days enjoy, even if adults enjoy it too. It's a wonder he hasn't led a crusade against Harry Potter.
On a side note, I wonder just what this guy was like when he was a kid. I'll bet his mom was over-protective. He probably had to wear protective padding just to be allowed to go outside.
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God fucking damn it Jack you peice of shit. (Updated for accuracy and the fact that the internet is one giant chinese whispers clusterfuck)
Update - It seems it wasn't to his mother, that was an overreaction. It was actually his Lawyer
"I emailed Mr. Thompson who did in fact confirm that he sent this letter, though he sent it to the lawyers representing Strauss Zelnick. In his own words:
I sent it to Strauss Zelnick’s lawyer. I have no idea who his mother is or where she is. You’re familiar with the concept of “shame,” right? He can show it to his mother or not, but of course he won’t because he wouldn’t want his mother to know what he does and how he harms other people’s kids. Can you even grasp the concept?
Jack Thompson, Attorney"
So before rumors get out on the web, this letter was not sent to Zelnick’s mother, but to his lawyers.
We have let Mr. Thompson know that if he has further comments on the matter he is open to contact our website, and are waiting to see if there is a response from Take-Two."
"Dear Mrs. Zelnick:
Your son, as you may know (or maybe you don’t know), is Chairman of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., whose most popular video games are the Grand Theft Auto murder simulator games banned in some countries but sold to children here.
Your son last week was reported to have said the following about Grand Theft Auto IV, due to be released Tuesday, April 29: “We’ve already received numerous [GTA IV] reviews, and to a one, they are perfect scores. My mom couldn’t write better reviews…” Taking your son’s thought, I would encourage you either to play this game or have an adroit video gamer play it for you. Some of the latter gamers are on death row, so try to find one out in the civilian population who hasn’t killed someone yet.
What you will see in your son’s game, if this iteration of GTA is anything like its predecessors, is incredible interactive violence aimed at police officers (whom you can shoot in the head and see the blood spray), innocent bystanders (whom you can run over with your car just for the heck of it), and of course the plentiful female prostitutes you can have sex with and then filet with a knife or stomp with your feet in order to get your money back. Experts note that the recent plethora of cop killings is caused in part by your darling son’s entrepreneurial energy. There are three policemen dead in Alabama because of Grand Theft Auto. I was on 60 Minutes about it. I hope Strauss has provided you with a flat screen tv to see the grief of the bereaved families that fills the screen.
The pornography and violence that your son trafficks in is the kind of stuff that most mothers would be ashamed to see their son putting into the hands of other mothers’ children, but, hey, your son Strauss has recently assured the world that he is “a Boy Scout, everybody knows that.” I’d love to see the merit badges that Scout Troop handed out. Is there a Ted Bundy merit badge? If so, your loving son deserves one now. It should be red and green, for obvious reasons.
With Passover having just come and gone, it is appropriate to note the following from the Old Testament, Proverbs 22:6:
“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
Mrs. Zelnick, did you train up your son, Strauss, to make millions of dollars by pushing Mature-rated video games to children? Any kid can go right to little Strauss’ corporate web site and buy GTA IV with no age verification. Strauss is even marketing the new Grand Theft Auto IV on World Wrestling Entertainment tv shows seen by millions of kids. If you trained up Strauss to do this, then shame on you.
But maybe the explanation for your son’s corporate sociopathy is to be found in Old Testament Proverb 29:15:
“The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.”
Maybe you, Mrs. Zelnick, were so taken by your handsome son that you spared the rod and spoiled the child. That would explain why he has brought you, by the way he presently acts, “to shame.”
There’s another mother you would do well to talk to. Mrs. Crump in Alabama had a son who was a police officer. He’s now dead because a teenaged boy unwittingly trained himself to kill him on Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. She has a grief she carries every day that only a mother can know.There are other such mothers in the heartland of America whose inhabitants your son simply sees as commercial targets.
Your son, this very moment, is doing everything he possibly can to sell as many copies of GTA IV to teen boys in the United States, a country in which your son claims you raised him to be “a Boy Scout.” More like the Hitler Youth, I would say. Happy Mother’s day, Mrs. Zelnick, which this year is May 11, two weeks after your son unleashes porn and violence upon other mothers’ boys. I’m sure you’re very proud.
I would encourage you either to play this game or have an adroit video gamer play it for you. Some of the latter gamers are on death row, so try to find one out in the civilian population who hasn’t killed someone yet.
This made me laugh.
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Dear Mrs Thompson,
Your son is a control freak douchecopter. You should have hit him harder as a child.
That annoyed me more than anything else in this godforsaken thread.
Unless Evander was making some kind of warped pun with the root "LITTER," suggesting that Dyvion's points are as good as trash, which I would agree with.
But I think he just doesn't know how to spell "literally."
"I emailed Mr. Thompson who did in fact confirm that he sent this letter, though he sent it to the lawyers representing Strauss Zelnick. In his own words:
I sent it to Strauss Zelnick’s lawyer. I have no idea who his mother is or where she is. You’re familiar with the concept of “shame,†right? He can show it to his mother or not, but of course he won’t because he wouldn’t want his mother to know what he does and how he harms other people’s kids. Can you even grasp the concept?
Jack Thompson, Attorney"
So before rumors get out on the web, this letter was not sent to Zelnick’s mother, but to his lawyers.
We have let Mr. Thompson know that if he has further comments on the matter he is open to contact our website, and are waiting to see if there is a response from Take-Two."
Jack Thompson, Attorney?
Fuck that noise I'm going to add my status on everything now.
Doesn't Jack Thompson realize how god-awful the targeting controls in previous Grand Theft Auto games were? I could make a stronger argument for these prior games being DETERRANTS to accurate murder simulation/training. Dear God, if the previous GTA games' style of targeting and weapon use is how criminals have to target people in real life it's a wonder how murder ever even happens.
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I'm never serious about anything.
No... I'm doing what everyone else is doing, trying to make this a better country. Do you disagree that requiring competency to vote is a bad thing? Should those who lack the mental ability to make decisions that are beneficial to themselves, or who would choose to hurt themselves and/or others, have the ability to influence the way the country is governed? I'm not disputing their right to hurt themselves, I'm disputing their right to influence the governing of my beloved country. Requiring competency to vote would not be a Bad Thing [tm]. Also, this country was founded in order to give people the freedom of religion... many people in this country when it was founded didn't have rights.
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Because I am a patriot.
Which is WHY I hate Thomp Jackson
You are a complete fuckwit to whom the concepts of liberty and democracy are entirely alien and oh god why am I even responding to this.
No, you still have to pay taxes, but if you served your two years and then became an economist, you'd get a tax break!
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Founded for religion? Did you miss the Boston Tea Party? The founding of this nation was HEAVILY about taxation without representation, which seems to be what you are advocating.
A single vote from some one lacking competancy will not drive the nation astray, but it WILL protect the votes of many other people who DO deserve them.
It's been a long hard road to get to the point where we are at, but just because we used to have slaves doesn't mean that we should now strip some folks of their right to vote.
Please, and I am being serious, explain to me how liberty and democracy are alien to me.
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So, you are LITTERALY espousing taxation without representation?
No, I probably would not. However, until you can show substantive proof that viewing violent images has a long-term negative affect on a childs development, then its MY damn business if I do decide to watch it with them.
Also, in case it wasn't clear, I don't agree that there is any proof of "negative mental impact" on young children from violent / sexual videogames.
Also, to establish credentials, I'm a 33 year old father of 2 (number 3 on the way). My son has been playing GTA with me since he was 8.
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You want to strip rights and voice from a bunch of people, and create a tiered citizenry.
You LITTERALLY want to create a second class of citizens.
What bothers me more, though, is thatyou think that military service somehow prepares people to vote. I don't see how having a military background makes you better suited for voting, but having an economics background does not.
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Fun to be had by all, no? Ok, so how's this, no service requirement, but you must have a license to vote, similar to a drivers license, showing that you are mentally competent?
e: Added mentally before competent.
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Democracy is all ABOUT giving everyone the right to vote. Western civilization is built on the very principle that nobody knows better than anyone else how best to govern, that government is a matter of consensus if the fairest outcome is to be reached. If you start thinking some people's votes are "bad", then it's a slippery slope until you start thinking that only Our Wise Leader knows best and fuck everyone else.
Also, a military-only "democracy" would naturally bend the votes towards militaristic governments, making people opposed to the military silenced, and with no opposition, there is no democracy.
They're going to ban video games (all of them) in Afghanistan. Also reinstate most of the Sharia laws that were in place under the Taliban. (women not allowed to show faces in public, etc.)
Maybe JT should move there. He'd be a happier man for it.
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I do not like it BECAUSE of the potential for abuse.
Voting ALREADY requires registration. Adding some kind of exam to it brings dangerous legal ground. What if there is no one available to proctor in a language that the potential voter speaks? Are the questions the same nation wide, or do they varry by state? Are the requireents the same nation wide, or do they varry by state? Etcetera.
I believe that the sorts of exams you are talking about have been challenged in court, and deemed unlawful. You're advocating rewriting the constitution, then?
Wait, huh? You were replying to me about what I said about people who want to hurt themselves or others not having the right to vote... I'm not sure you're aware, but people with a felony on their record are not allowed to vote. So in our current system, not everyone has the right to vote. I would just add that people who are not mentally competent in a court of law should also not be allowed to vote. If they have no possible way of understanding the issues at hand, as determined by a court of law, then you're saying they should still be allowed to vote?
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I'm saying every citizen should be allowed to vote, no matter the condition. As it is up here in Canada (yes, even convicted felons get to vote here). Putting restrictions is anti-democratic, period.
For the record, I never said anything about an examination. Thinking about it, then yes, it would probably be required, similar to a drivers test I'm thinking. Model it after a drivers license and you pretty much have what I'm thinking of. But to make it really spicy we could add in a mandatory tracking chip that you would be required to use to log on to any computer that would identify you with biometrics so there's no possible way someone to steal your identity. And you would have to pay a monthly fee to keep it current. And just to see if anyone made it this far, we could add backward cat stroking.
I like Evanders stance about never being serious about anything.
Oh, and the constitution is re-written on a regular basis. The first ten amendments stay roughly the same, but the rest of them are fair game.
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The other day at work, I was tasked with figuring out if there was a difference between the value of a human life in Wisconsin, and the value of a human life in Virginia.
When you look at things through that lense, how can you take them seriously?
The thread was about Jack Thomson, and now you are talking about civil liberties?
Where are the mods?
Seriously, take this off to D&D, and lets get this thread locked.
For our safety!
... Well, okay, not our safety, as I'm sure he'd be perfectly happy if all gamers suffered a simultaneous worldwide seizure and died. But the safety of everyone else, at least. You know, so long as it gets him book sales and time on poorly-researched TV news shows.
Does he have a book?
Jackie's not anti-gamer; he's anti-youth culture. Games are his current outlet, but far from his first.
Yeah, he has a book. Don't ask me any more than that though - I couldn't tell you. You're right about the other thing, though. He's rallied against virtually everything kids these days enjoy, even if adults enjoy it too. It's a wonder he hasn't led a crusade against Harry Potter.
On a side note, I wonder just what this guy was like when he was a kid. I'll bet his mom was over-protective. He probably had to wear protective padding just to be allowed to go outside.
Update - It seems it wasn't to his mother, that was an overreaction. It was actually his Lawyer
Fucking internet, get it right.
"I emailed Mr. Thompson who did in fact confirm that he sent this letter, though he sent it to the lawyers representing Strauss Zelnick. In his own words:
I sent it to Strauss Zelnick’s lawyer. I have no idea who his mother is or where she is. You’re familiar with the concept of “shame,” right? He can show it to his mother or not, but of course he won’t because he wouldn’t want his mother to know what he does and how he harms other people’s kids. Can you even grasp the concept?
Jack Thompson, Attorney"
So before rumors get out on the web, this letter was not sent to Zelnick’s mother, but to his lawyers.
We have let Mr. Thompson know that if he has further comments on the matter he is open to contact our website, and are waiting to see if there is a response from Take-Two."
"Dear Mrs. Zelnick:
Your son, as you may know (or maybe you don’t know), is Chairman of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., whose most popular video games are the Grand Theft Auto murder simulator games banned in some countries but sold to children here.
Your son last week was reported to have said the following about Grand Theft Auto IV, due to be released Tuesday, April 29: “We’ve already received numerous [GTA IV] reviews, and to a one, they are perfect scores. My mom couldn’t write better reviews…” Taking your son’s thought, I would encourage you either to play this game or have an adroit video gamer play it for you. Some of the latter gamers are on death row, so try to find one out in the civilian population who hasn’t killed someone yet.
What you will see in your son’s game, if this iteration of GTA is anything like its predecessors, is incredible interactive violence aimed at police officers (whom you can shoot in the head and see the blood spray), innocent bystanders (whom you can run over with your car just for the heck of it), and of course the plentiful female prostitutes you can have sex with and then filet with a knife or stomp with your feet in order to get your money back. Experts note that the recent plethora of cop killings is caused in part by your darling son’s entrepreneurial energy. There are three policemen dead in Alabama because of Grand Theft Auto. I was on 60 Minutes about it. I hope Strauss has provided you with a flat screen tv to see the grief of the bereaved families that fills the screen.
The pornography and violence that your son trafficks in is the kind of stuff that most mothers would be ashamed to see their son putting into the hands of other mothers’ children, but, hey, your son Strauss has recently assured the world that he is “a Boy Scout, everybody knows that.” I’d love to see the merit badges that Scout Troop handed out. Is there a Ted Bundy merit badge? If so, your loving son deserves one now. It should be red and green, for obvious reasons.
With Passover having just come and gone, it is appropriate to note the following from the Old Testament, Proverbs 22:6:
“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
Mrs. Zelnick, did you train up your son, Strauss, to make millions of dollars by pushing Mature-rated video games to children? Any kid can go right to little Strauss’ corporate web site and buy GTA IV with no age verification. Strauss is even marketing the new Grand Theft Auto IV on World Wrestling Entertainment tv shows seen by millions of kids. If you trained up Strauss to do this, then shame on you.
But maybe the explanation for your son’s corporate sociopathy is to be found in Old Testament Proverb 29:15:
“The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.”
Maybe you, Mrs. Zelnick, were so taken by your handsome son that you spared the rod and spoiled the child. That would explain why he has brought you, by the way he presently acts, “to shame.”
There’s another mother you would do well to talk to. Mrs. Crump in Alabama had a son who was a police officer. He’s now dead because a teenaged boy unwittingly trained himself to kill him on Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. She has a grief she carries every day that only a mother can know.There are other such mothers in the heartland of America whose inhabitants your son simply sees as commercial targets.
Your son, this very moment, is doing everything he possibly can to sell as many copies of GTA IV to teen boys in the United States, a country in which your son claims you raised him to be “a Boy Scout.” More like the Hitler Youth, I would say. Happy Mother’s day, Mrs. Zelnick, which this year is May 11, two weeks after your son unleashes porn and violence upon other mothers’ boys. I’m sure you’re very proud.
Sincerely, Jack Thompson"
Seriously, this fucker smokes crack cocaine.
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OH MY GOD
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This made me laugh.
Your son is a control freak douchecopter. You should have hit him harder as a child.
Regards
Waka Laka
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Good.
That annoyed me more than anything else in this godforsaken thread.
Unless Evander was making some kind of warped pun with the root "LITTER," suggesting that Dyvion's points are as good as trash, which I would agree with.
But I think he just doesn't know how to spell "literally."
Apparently he only sent it to take 2's lawyers, not the actual mother. Sadly, I guess he knew the repurcussions had he dine so.
Fucking internet, get it right.
"I emailed Mr. Thompson who did in fact confirm that he sent this letter, though he sent it to the lawyers representing Strauss Zelnick. In his own words:
I sent it to Strauss Zelnick’s lawyer. I have no idea who his mother is or where she is. You’re familiar with the concept of “shame,†right? He can show it to his mother or not, but of course he won’t because he wouldn’t want his mother to know what he does and how he harms other people’s kids. Can you even grasp the concept?
Jack Thompson, Attorney"
So before rumors get out on the web, this letter was not sent to Zelnick’s mother, but to his lawyers.
We have let Mr. Thompson know that if he has further comments on the matter he is open to contact our website, and are waiting to see if there is a response from Take-Two."
Jack Thompson, Attorney?
Fuck that noise I'm going to add my status on everything now.
Waka Laka, drunk, philospher, gamer, artist.
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That is, if anything is right in this world.
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By the way, idiot, Passover ain't just "come and gone", it is still going on.
Don't be using the old testament if you don't understand it.