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What the..Woman dies ignored on hospital waiting room floor
Kagera
Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
I couldn't really find a way to word it well so I just stole the headline.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/hospital.death.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
The gist of this is that a lady involuntarily committed, waited 24 hours in the waiting room to get a bed, collapses and dies from unknown causes while people nearby ignore her for an hour until someone finally had the brains to check her out (another patient mind you).
This was caught on video. However notes in her medical records said she was up and about during the time she was on the floor, possibly to cover up the incident.
Oh ho, but this isn't the first time this psychiatric facility has been part of negative attention.
The suit also says the bathroom facilities are horrible and people who complain about anything are handcuffed, beaten, or drugged.
So, what the hell? I mean, I'm sure people have heard stories like this before. In fact just over a year ago a lady in L.A. died in the emergency room of a hospital. Apparently the hospital they were at weren't helping, so the husband called 911, who refused to send someone to take her to another hospital. Instead the police arrived to arrest her and she died while they were taking her out.
So, my interests of discussion are several fold:
1. How the hell do people become so callous as to ignore those suffering right before their eyes? Just what the hell kind of depravity is going on in the medical industry?
2. How the hell are we allowing this to even be a possibility in our country and why the fuck is it happening?
3. How can we fix this? I don't mean 'eventually' meaning never I mean like now. Because we always say we're going to change shit like with the VA and it's treatment of vets but it never happens the damn problem gets band-aided for a while until people forget about it then it happens again.
4. Why can the state involuntarily commit someone when they don't even have the resources to give them even basic care?
Story Highlights
Surveillance video shows woman fall from chair, thrash on floor, then lie still
People around ignore her for almost an hour, the video shows
Several staffers fired at Kings County Hospital, Brooklyn, over the incident
Lawyers are suing hospital, alleging neglect and abuse of patients
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/hospital.death.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
The gist of this is that a lady involuntarily committed, waited 24 hours in the waiting room to get a bed, collapses and dies from unknown causes while people nearby ignore her for an hour until someone finally had the brains to check her out (another patient mind you).
This was caught on video. However notes in her medical records said she was up and about during the time she was on the floor, possibly to cover up the incident.
Oh ho, but this isn't the first time this psychiatric facility has been part of negative attention.
A state agency, the New York State Mental Hygiene Legal Service, filed a lawsuit a year ago, calling the psychiatric center "a chamber of filth, decay, indifference and danger."
Patients, the suit said, "are subjected to overcrowded and squalid conditions often accompanied by physical abuse and unnecessary and punitive injections of mind-altering drugs."
"From the moment a person steps through the doors," it added, "she is stripped of her freedom and dignity and literally forced to fight for the essentials of life."
The suit was especially critical of the hospital's emergency ward, saying it is so poorly staffed that patients are often marooned there for days while they wait to be evaluated.
The suit also says the bathroom facilities are horrible and people who complain about anything are handcuffed, beaten, or drugged.
So, what the hell? I mean, I'm sure people have heard stories like this before. In fact just over a year ago a lady in L.A. died in the emergency room of a hospital. Apparently the hospital they were at weren't helping, so the husband called 911, who refused to send someone to take her to another hospital. Instead the police arrived to arrest her and she died while they were taking her out.
So, my interests of discussion are several fold:
1. How the hell do people become so callous as to ignore those suffering right before their eyes? Just what the hell kind of depravity is going on in the medical industry?
2. How the hell are we allowing this to even be a possibility in our country and why the fuck is it happening?
3. How can we fix this? I don't mean 'eventually' meaning never I mean like now. Because we always say we're going to change shit like with the VA and it's treatment of vets but it never happens the damn problem gets band-aided for a while until people forget about it then it happens again.
4. Why can the state involuntarily commit someone when they don't even have the resources to give them even basic care?
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Its real and normal enough. For the patients. The STAFF, on the other hand, gets no such pass..
Unfortunately LA needs a hospital in that location, but if they could just fire everybody that works there, bulldoze it, and build it again from scratch with all new people they'd be better off. Unfortunately there are a lot of people in the county that just want it closed permanently because it's in the middle of the ghetto and, well fuck those poor people who go to the ER and don't pay taxes, right?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
She was shot in a store in a mall or something, as I recall, and was on the floor for like an hour before someone helped her.
And a bum was shot and killed in an alley and layed against a wall for days before anyone even gave a damn to report it to the police (after the dude started to rot and stink the place). But this kind of behavior isn't exactly new or interesting to discuss. Its human nature. There are bigger things to talk about here.
Well actually I was thinking both hospitals were named after Martin Luther King. Jr.
At least the LA one is.
Again, we need something there, but nobody wanted to actually work there because it's fucking South-Central (we're talking next door to Compton here), the county didn't want to hire any actual skilled management because it was a big old money sink, nobody with money or insurance to pay their bills wanted to go there because there are a dozen other better hospitals in LA county to choose from, and I mean it when I say the whole facility was/is a goddamn clusterfuck.
I'm having a little problem with my tenses here because it's technically indefinitely shut down, but if they don't reopen it or reopen something in Willowbrook within the next few years they're begging to have another riot on their hands. Figuratively and literally.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Wikipedia tells me that Kings County Hospital sees 600 gunshot and stabbing victims per year and is the target of 1/3 of the malpractice lawsuits in New York.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I was thinking something like this too, but like you say it's not appropriate to ignore them. Somebody should at least have come checked her vitals and responsiveness.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Kings County hospital is named after, no surpise, Kings County, which is Brooklyn.
All these mentions of 911 not sending an ambulance to transport people claiming they're not being treated to another hospital seem reasonable to me, at least as far as 911 is concerned. They have to assume the patient has gone through triage correctly where they are and moving them will have no effect for them and tie up emergency services in the mean time. Just think for each of the cases where someone dies after making a call like that, how many are just impatient patients (heh) who think they deserve faster care?
Yeah, Grady's Atlanta's public hospital. As far as I'm aware, it's not known for horrible abuses and mistreatment, just some very serious funding and staffing problems.
I thought the same thing about the "impatient patients" and 911. Just imagine all the bullshit calls 911 must get...and from my understanding for every call an officer has to be dispatched even if you later say everything's calmed down and no one was hurt. If the caller is in a hospital it's natural for 911 to assume they're in a controlled environment. They aren't an ambulance dispatch service that liken themselves to a taxi company.
While I really am not an advocate of universal healthcare in the sense that all parties should be treated as equals (yes, I think pay-in/pay-out should matter but lets not get into that) they certainly shouldn't be treated like animals. In fact, I'm sure 99% of the population wouldn't treat animals like that.
Clusterfuck is probably an understatement. You're talking about a county where 6000 people a year die from medical error. Frankly, if only 1 person was left to die unattended in the halls of "Killer King" in 2007, it probably marked an improvement.
If you've heard the Ice Cube song "Alive on Arrival" about bleeding out from a gunshot wound in the waiting room of a hospital, he's talking about King-Drew. And that was back in 1991.
I never asked for this!