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Should I buy an iPhone? SHOULD I?!

Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
Yeah, another one of these threads.

Currently, I'm paying ~50 dollars a month for my crappy cellphone with Rogers. I want to get a phone with a data plan so I can get nearly universal internet access, because I'm one of those people.

I'm eligible for a hardware upgrade, which means I can get a discount off a better piece of hardware to replace my crappy cell phone.

Of course, what I would like to have most is a shiny new iPhone. But this is an expensive proposition.
  • I would have to pay $275 for the phone up front.
  • I would have to pay $82 a month for a phone plan with a 1 gig per month data plan and caller ID/call display/etc, as well as a hefty load of free text messages (2500 sent). This includes access fees and emergency fees, etc.
  • I would have to pay a $35 activation fee (making the up front cost a sweaty, trembling $310).
Here's the kicker: the contract is, I believe, renewed for three years at this time, meaning I will be paying $82 a month for my phone/data plan for a good long time. That's about $3052 , or $1017 a year, even before that big up-front cost.

Now, I make pretty good money right now ($48 000 a year) - but my hours and pay are being dropped a bit because I'm moving to a new contract. Instead of taking home $2000 gross per paycheck, it will be about $1200. And most importantly, this job finishes in August. Obviously I'll have to find a job to pay my rent and like, eat, but who knows how well it will pay?

So I end with two questions:

1) How dumb would it be to buy an iPhone?
2) If I really want that internet access, is there a decent option (blackberry/smartphone etc) that would significantly lower the cost without sacrificing quality of interface too much?

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    No you should not buy an iPhone right now.


    It is due for a hardware update in June.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    robothero wrote: »
    No you should not buy an iPhone right now.


    It is due for a hardware update in June.

    alright this is important information.

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    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    Also, Blackberry will be potentially more expensive. I don't have exact numbers since I got my phone through AT&T Premier (discounted monthly plans) but I know the iPhone data is a bit cheaper than the BB one I am using.

    Regardless, if you want smartphone style internet capabilities, you're going to end up having to pay a good amount for it.


    I'm waiting to see what the iPhone updates are in June before buying my next phone (my contract is up right now). I'm a little disappointed that the new Blackberry Curve isn't 3G so that has pushed me a bit more in the iPhone direction.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    in terms of the hardware update, does that mean a newer - and more expensive - model is coming out? Or is it a general improvement to each tier of cost? Or do we not even know?

    really the issue is that my phone is so bad it has input lag on the buttons, and if i'm getting a new one, it might as well be awesome.

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    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    I don't think we know, but the website I linked has an article stating that it is general hardware upgrades. I think you will see existing iPhones drop in price slightly and the new ones will take their place in price.

  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    A buddy of mine has the Googlephone and it is really awesome, it also has a lot free software for download. Good stuff. Wish I had one.

    Here is what I'm talking about:
    http://www.t-mobileg1.com/

  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    in terms of the hardware update, does that mean a newer - and more expensive - model is coming out? Or is it a general improvement to each tier of cost? Or do we not even know?

    really the issue is that my phone is so bad it has input lag on the buttons, and if i'm getting a new one, it might as well be awesome.

    As a general rule, when Apple updates hardware the price does not go up. Sometimes it actually goes down. The new iPhone should be a significant improvement over the current one if the rumors pan out. It's very likely that you'll at least be looking at the addition of a video camera and increased memory and speed. It's worth waiting until June, for sure.

  • wunderbarwunderbar Registered User regular
    Yea, apple will put better iPhones at the same price point. current guesses/rumours are 16/32GB instead of 8/16, video recording, a better camera, and a couple other hardware tweaks.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    how much of a price drop are we realistically looking at, if I wanted to get one of the older models?

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  • NargorothRiPNargorothRiP Registered User
    I dont know how they are charging you more then 200 flat for the phone and why they are tacking on an activation fee. I got my new iphone like a day ago from at&t for 200 flat no activation cost or anything.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    I dont know how they are charging you more then 200 flat for the phone and why they are tacking on an activation fee. I got my new iphone like a day ago from at&t for 200 flat no activation cost or anything.

    Activation fee is just another way to gouge customers. It's supposedly to pay for the costs and effort of putting another phone on the network.

    As for the phone cost, it's because i'm only halfway done my current contract.

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    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • FiggyFiggy Registered User regular
    Wait.. why are you paying $275 for the phone if they are renewing your contract?

    I was able to get a free blackberry from Rogers by renewing my 3-year contract only halfway in. Maybe try bargaining with these people...

    They are offering 199 for the 8GB to new 3 year contracts and 299 for the 16GB... Did you insult the sales reps mother before asking about this upgrade or something?
    Activation fee is just another way to gouge customers. It's supposedly to pay for the costs and effort of putting another phone on the network.

    As for the phone cost, it's because i'm only halfway done my current contract.

    Call back and talk to someone else. There should be no activation fee because you are already a customer (fuck that explanation you just gave, fuck it) and you should be getting a better deal. Just tell them you are unhappy with your current phone and you want an upgrade.. not $25 off the phone.. that's retarded.

    At this point, it'd be cheaper to fucking buy out your contract and go with another provider. Mention that.

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  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    I heard that the Iphones are not going to support flash only java. That would be reason enough for me to not to get one.

  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    how much of a price drop are we realistically looking at, if I wanted to get one of the older models?

    They've been using up the inventory they have, so that may not even be an option.

  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA
    I heard that the Iphones are not going to support flash only java. That would be reason enough for me to not to get one.

    What mobile web browser does support Flash? Android's web browser doesn't afaik.

  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    Flash is not a widely supported platform for mobile devices because there are no standards surrounding them.

  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    how much of a price drop are we realistically looking at, if I wanted to get one of the older models?

    They've been using up the inventory they have, so that may not even be an option.

    A second-hand one would be fairly easy to pick up after the new handset is launched and it's fairly easy to set them up with a new contract, at least in the UK through O2 it is anyway. I guess they acknowledged that when the G3 phone was launched a lot of people would upgrade from their Edge handsets and so were prepared to pick up the contract market for second-hand iPhones.

  • humblehumble Registered User
    rogers also offers a 35$ a month plan with the 7.50 monthly fee and then 5 dollars extra for caller id or whatever you want
    im pretty sure its 500mb data limit
    and unlimited texting

    im pretty sure it comes with my 5 as well

    the problem is rogers doesnt openly advertise this
    my roomates and some of my friends have an iphone and this is the plan they use

    you can goto futureshop, and since they dont have to upsell you on anything so can tell you the best deal

  • FiggyFiggy Registered User regular
    Futureshop employees get bonuses for all sorts of shit. I wouldn't be surprised if they get higher commissions for certain plans.

    I used to get $25 for every person I locked into a Bell DSL contract.

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  • humblehumble Registered User
    my girlfriends sister works there and doesnt get any commission on it

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    humble wrote: »
    rogers also offers a 35$ a month plan with the 7.50 monthly fee and then 5 dollars extra for caller id or whatever you want
    im pretty sure its 500mb data limit
    and unlimited texting

    im pretty sure it comes with my 5 as well

    the problem is rogers doesnt openly advertise this
    my roomates and some of my friends have an iphone and this is the plan they use

    you can goto futureshop, and since they dont have to upsell you on anything so can tell you the best deal

    if this is true, I would really enjoy it.

    but I have to confirm that it exists, in Ontario, Canada, and that it isn't a garbage plan.

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  • mugginnsmugginns Registered User regular
    Extra charges for caller ID? in 2009?

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Figgy wrote: »
    Wait.. why are you paying $275 for the phone if they are renewing your contract?

    I was able to get a free blackberry from Rogers by renewing my 3-year contract only halfway in. Maybe try bargaining with these people...

    They are offering 199 for the 8GB to new 3 year contracts and 299 for the 16GB... Did you insult the sales reps mother before asking about this upgrade or something?
    Activation fee is just another way to gouge customers. It's supposedly to pay for the costs and effort of putting another phone on the network.

    As for the phone cost, it's because i'm only halfway done my current contract.

    Call back and talk to someone else. There should be no activation fee because you are already a customer (fuck that explanation you just gave, fuck it) and you should be getting a better deal. Just tell them you are unhappy with your current phone and you want an upgrade.. not $25 off the phone.. that's retarded.

    At this point, it'd be cheaper to fucking buy out your contract and go with another provider. Mention that.

    Yeah, it doesn't really make much sense to me either. The way he explained it, your phone is subsidized through your monthly fees. Since I'm about halfway done my contract, my old phone isn't fully subsidized, and thus I only get part of that phone's cost as a discount on my iPhone.

    That doesn't make sense, though, unless my contract is not extended. If the contract is extended, I should damn well get a 199 iPhone like anyone else.

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    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    mugginns wrote: »
    Extra charges for caller ID? in 2009?

    In Canada, pretty much every single phone plan from every major provider makes you pay extra for caller ID. You didn't used to, but the Bell/Rogers duopoly means they can rip you off even worse.

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  • humblehumble Registered User
    humble wrote: »
    rogers also offers a 35$ a month plan with the 7.50 monthly fee and then 5 dollars extra for caller id or whatever you want
    im pretty sure its 500mb data limit
    and unlimited texting

    im pretty sure it comes with my 5 as well

    the problem is rogers doesnt openly advertise this
    my roomates and some of my friends have an iphone and this is the plan they use

    you can goto futureshop, and since they dont have to upsell you on anything so can tell you the best deal

    if this is true, I would really enjoy it.

    but I have to confirm that it exists, in Ontario, Canada, and that it isn't a garbage plan.

    it does exist
    im just not entirely sure where you can find it since its not my plan
    and rogers would have it cross canada

  • wunderbarwunderbar Registered User regular
    Yea, Canadian Cell phone carriers suck. All of them. Our data rates are garbage, they nickel and dime you for every single feature. It's pretty terrible.

    That's why I hate hearing Americans complaining about their rates.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    humble wrote: »
    humble wrote: »
    rogers also offers a 35$ a month plan with the 7.50 monthly fee and then 5 dollars extra for caller id or whatever you want
    im pretty sure its 500mb data limit
    and unlimited texting

    im pretty sure it comes with my 5 as well

    the problem is rogers doesnt openly advertise this
    my roomates and some of my friends have an iphone and this is the plan they use

    you can goto futureshop, and since they dont have to upsell you on anything so can tell you the best deal

    if this is true, I would really enjoy it.

    but I have to confirm that it exists, in Ontario, Canada, and that it isn't a garbage plan.

    it does exist
    im just not entirely sure where you can find it since its not my plan
    and rogers would have it cross canada

    if you could find out the details from your roommate/friends, i would be so very much obliged to you, sir

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    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • humblehumble Registered User
    yea i can pm you the exact specifics later on when i find out

  • mullymully Registered User regular
    I'm also on Rogers. I paid 199 for my phone. As far as the data plans go -- the packages they show you are NOT mandatory packages. I pay 25 bucks for my data plan of 500 mb (it's rare that I use it, honestly) and then I pay 17 dollars for a special "Aeroplan/Costco" minutes plan. (If you have the card, you can get it -- it was a special, I guess.)

    In any case -- my iPhone is something I have never regretted the purchase of.

    It's sitting beside me right now. I press the little button and instantly I am told if I have any messages, the time, the date, and offered the ability to unlock it. So, I will.

    I slide to unlock, and am reminded of my 2 alarms that I have set for today -- 7:20am, my wake-up time for work -- set only for week days, and my 2:00 pm pill-times, set for every day. I even have a cute little, "take your pills!" label for it. So handy.

    The main interface is very useful -- at a glance I can see how many calls I've received, how many emails have entered my gmail account. I have an option to open up a very well-created browser, which is so much easier to use in the phone than I'd previously expected.

    I also have the choice to - gasp - listen to music. This has been a very important function -- an audio cable is kept in the car so I can hook it up and we can listen to whatever I have on it -- which is usually tons, as it carries 8gb. While listening to music in the car, I can also open the "maps" program and watch a blue dot indicate precisely where we are on the road. I can search "Home Depot" to find the closest home depot to us, and it will pinpoint it.

    Alongside these useful things, I also keep an icon for my work-email on it, so I can "appear" to be in the office while I am actually outside taking a walk. I also have UrbanSpoon, to figure out where exactly I can get italian from in this damn city, and if it's even worth it. Facebook and Twitter line the top, which aren't NECESSARY, but it's a good time killer if you're on the bus/skytrain, or stuck in a friends car for longer than expected.

    Uh, I think I'm writing iPhone porn here. Basically, what I'm saying is -- get it. Put down the money, it will be the best investment you've ever made. And Rogers is flexible. They actually have a very well put together part within their otherwise-crappy website where you can make your own plan. Sign up for 3 years to cut costs -- you won't regret it.

    t evil multi: iBoner

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    that would be radical, thanks a lot.

    edit: great post, mully. you have given me an iPhone boner.

    if you're browsing, checking email, etc etc, how much of your 500 mb limit do you end up using? Obviously with a limit like that I'd be avoiding youtube and similar, but I'm curious as to baseline usage.

    My home internet is high-speed broadband with a 95 GB monthly limit, and I usually go anywhere from 20 to 60 GB in a month, depending how many Steam games I buy and how many torrents I'm running.

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  • ForarForar Registered User regular
    humble wrote: »
    yea i can pm you the exact specifics later on when i find out

    I'm also curious about this.

    I'm with Rogers, and my last 3 year plan comes up in November, so at that point I'll be looking for a new phone. Hearing that there might be an iPhone update in the summer means I probably won't purchase a phone before the contract comes up, and I'll likely shop around a bit in terms of both contracts and specific phones/features I want. Having a sweet iPhone contract with some snazzy new hardware would be a fine jump to make at the end of the year.

    Edit; yeah, Mully, that was hot shit. Mmmmmm.

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  • mullymully Registered User regular
    that would be radical, thanks a lot.

    edit: great post, mully. you have given me an iPhone boner.

    if you're browsing, checking email, etc etc, how much of your 500 mb limit do you end up using? Obviously with a limit like that I'd be avoiding youtube and similar, but I'm curious as to baseline usage.

    My home internet is high-speed broadband with a 95 GB monthly limit, and I usually go anywhere from 20 to 60 GB in a month, depending how many Steam games I buy and how many torrents I'm running.

    Let me see how much I have, in total, from when I purchased it -- which was back in November:


    Grand total is.. *drum roll* .. 164MB Received. Haha. Reminds me, I should cut down my data plan moreso :S

    You have to remember though -- I live in Downtown Vancouver. There is no place here without free Wi-Fi. I've even found free Wi-Fi in my office, I don't even know where it's coming from.

    #canadian #sorry
  • humblehumble Registered User
    yea the plan is a lot like mullys

    my roomate never goes close to his data limit and he surfs the web on his phone all the time, but i believe once again his is via wi-fi

  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    Iphones are for tools. Get a Cinco Phone.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Ottawa doesn't have nearly as much wifi because it's mostly old people and government workers who are already old even if they're young.

    I work at a university, so there is a lot of wireless access, but apparently it's tricky to get your iPhone or iPod touch to work with the campus network.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Iphones are for tools. Get a Cinco Phone.

    convince me!

    i like numbers.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    Iphones are for tools. Get a Cinco Phone.

    convince me!

    i like numbers.

    Nevermind. I'm at work so I can't link to the clip. It's a hilariously bad phone with one button, enough battery life for one call, and you can't receive any calls, only make outgoing ones. Oh, but you do get to put this cool gel all over your face because it gets so hot it burns.

    In short, wait till Apple updates soon.

  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    I have a friend that is in the sales department at rogers and he tells me that there is no way they are going to be keeping the same price for the new Iphone... They are going to do like when the 3g came out and charge about 100$ more.


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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    I really doubt they will be doing that. Going from EDGE to 3G was a massive upgrade that warranted the hike. The new iPhone is still 3G, we arent going to 4G or HSDPA or WiMAX or whatever. Adding a video camera won't cause that much of an increase.

  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    True but this is Rogers... It would not be the first time they charge more for no good reason.


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