So the super hate from Iran becomes ultra hate? You're ridiculous with your naive two dimensional sense of idealism. You make it seem the Iranians were our friends before the so-called torture exposure. The current Iranian regime will always find and use some grievance against the USA. Whether it be Israel, Iraq, or whatever. Not unlike you and you're zealotry against the GOP.
If you think this why do you think it was important for Obama not to release the pictures?
Gibbs told reporters yesterday that President Obama has "great concern" about the impact that releasing the photos would have on soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.
So the super hate from Iran becomes ultra hate? You're ridiculous with your naive two dimensional sense of idealism. You make it seem the Iranians were our friends before the so-called torture exposure. The current Iranian regime will always find and use some grievance against the USA. Whether it be Israel, Iraq, or whatever. Not unlike you and you're zealotry against the GOP.
If you think this why do you think it was important for Obama not to release the pictures?
Gibbs told reporters yesterday that President Obama has "great concern" about the impact that releasing the photos would have on soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.
For some reason you think that we consider everything Obama and his administration says and does to be the gospel that we will never question. When did you start confusing us for Republicans worshiping at the altar of Reagan?
I love how putting someone on your ignore list in D&D is basically useless, since everyone gets quoted.
Also, keep up the good work, Bachman! Your continued ignorance of the nation's founding documents and operating procedures ensures a never ending source of hilarity!
Yeah, I tried putting Bachmann in my ignore list, but for some reason it didn't work.
So if it’s a cost problem, it’s easy: Get the people in a room who have the most and the most direct impact on cost, and do the deal. Do the deal. It’s not that complicated.
If it’s an access question, people don’t have access to health care, then figure out who they are, and give them access! Hello?! Am I missing something here? If my friend Trevor has access to health care, and I don’t, why do I need to overhaul the entire system so I can get access he already has? why don’t you just focus on me and get me access?
Wow is this guy stupid. I love the Herm Edwards-style "Hello?!"
It's so fucking dense you can barely even argue with it.
which i suppose is the idea
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Ho ho ho, those silly governmenties, can't think their way out of a paper bag!
Actually, his main issue seems to be that he doesn't realize that in the current system, healthcare costs money - people don't have access because they can't pay for it. Steele wants to just "get them access"... not thinking about money...
Ho ho ho, those silly governmenties, can't think their way out of a paper bag!
Actually, his main issue seems to be that he doesn't realize that in the current system, healthcare costs money - people don't have access because they can't pay for it. Steele wants to just "get them access"... not thinking about money...
STEELE IS A SOCIALIST!
It's not even an issue of cost. I'm young and virile, having never been inside an emergency room in my life. The worst thing I've ever gotten was an ingrown toenail. If I were rich then yes I could have the pick of the litter of coverage. However, what if I had non-hodgkins lymphoma? Or hell, even just a mild pre-existing condition? Where can I get access to health insurance, regardless of whether or not I'm a Rockefeller?
You know what pictures there are to stir people against the United States? Pictures of countless dead men, women, and children across Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine, and yes, people have no issue blaming those last two on the United States. I kinda understand keeping the pictures underwrap, if you're raping corpses, or something, but if they're pictures of what government says they've been doing, then it'll be produce a big yawn. It'll be like post-Abu-Ghraib: "Aha! So you have been torturing people, like every Arab news outlet has been reporting for the past year+." It was old news.
The release or withholding of those pictures is important and not important, depending on what you want to do. If you're releasing those pictures as a part of a larger effort to change the image of the United States as a nation that doesn't torture people, then it's important. If you don't give a shit about that, then whatever, what you won't matter a whole lot because pretty much everyone assumes the worst about the US now and that isn't changing until someone cares enough to want to change it.
The release or withholding of those pictures is important and not important, depending on what you want to do. If you're releasing those pictures as a part of a larger effort to change the image of the United States as a nation that doesn't torture people, then it's important. If you don't give a shit about that, then whatever, what you won't matter a whole lot because pretty much everyone assumes the worst about the US now and that isn't changing until someone cares enough to want to change it.
Isn't that someone Obama and isn't he already doing it?
The release or withholding of those pictures is important and not important, depending on what you want to do. If you're releasing those pictures as a part of a larger effort to change the image of the United States as a nation that doesn't torture people, then it's important. If you don't give a shit about that, then whatever, what you won't matter a whole lot because pretty much everyone assumes the worst about the US now and that isn't changing until someone cares enough to want to change it.
Isn't that someone Obama and isn't he already doing it?
I don't know.
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The release or withholding of those pictures is important and not important, depending on what you want to do. If you're releasing those pictures as a part of a larger effort to change the image of the United States as a nation that doesn't torture people, then it's important. If you don't give a shit about that, then whatever, what you won't matter a whole lot because pretty much everyone assumes the worst about the US now and that isn't changing until someone cares enough to want to change it.
Isn't that someone Obama and isn't he already doing it?
He is and he isn't. He's taking steps in that direction generally, but not in a uniform fashion.
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The release or withholding of those pictures is important and not important, depending on what you want to do. If you're releasing those pictures as a part of a larger effort to change the image of the United States as a nation that doesn't torture people, then it's important. If you don't give a shit about that, then whatever, what you won't matter a whole lot because pretty much everyone assumes the worst about the US now and that isn't changing until someone cares enough to want to change it.
Isn't that someone Obama and isn't he already doing it?
He is and he isn't. He's taking steps in that direction generally, but not in a uniform fashion.
It's hard to tell whether he's being pragmatic and waiting for the right time or simply wants to do token gestures and bury the issue in the end.
It's starting to feel that way about a lot of things, actually...
I'm still giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, but this is about a perfect a time as he's ever going to get to accomplish this stuff.
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It's hard to tell whether he's being pragmatic and waiting for the right time or simply wants to do token gestures and bury the issue in the end.
Well I can end that ambiguity for you (it's the second one, that's what he's doing).
I wouldn't really claim that yet; still only June in Year 1. He's got a health care bill that's dying on him because he's not constantly babysitting it, he's got North Korea being more North Korea-y than usual, he's got to calm the GOP down before they charter planes to Iran themselves, he's still got Sotomayor on his plate, he's trying to find places for 200+ Gitmo detainees that apparently can't be brought into the US, he's already more or less been forced to put cap-and-trade off due to a full plate, and every single debate he needs to wrangle 60 Senators out of a number not much larger than 61 because 38 of them are likely to stiffarm him out of sheer spite at every opportunity and Franken's not seated yet. While dealing with a media and a public that's been conditioned to want everything nownownow and has had the very concept of compromise bred out of them.
He just can't deal with it right now. He doesn't need an extra fight on his hands. You do need to be able to handle more than one thing at once, but be reasonable.
EDIT: Oh, and the economy. I forgot the economy.
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It's hard to tell whether he's being pragmatic and waiting for the right time or simply wants to do token gestures and bury the issue in the end.
Well I can end that ambiguity for you (it's the second one, that's what he's doing).
I wouldn't really claim that yet; still only June in Year 1. He's got a health care bill that's dying on him because he's not constantly babysitting it, he's got North Korea being more North Korea-y than usual, he's got to calm the GOP down before they charter planes to Iran themselves, he's still got Sotomayor on his plate, he's trying to find places for 200+ Gitmo detainees that apparently can't be brought into the US, he's already more or less been forced to put cap-and-trade off due to a full plate, and every single debate he needs to wrangle 60 Senators out of a number not much larger than 61 because 38 of them are likely to stiffarm him out of sheer spite at every opportunity and Franken's not seated yet. While dealing with a media and a public that's been conditioned to want everything nownownow and has had the very concept of compromise bred out of them.
He just can't deal with it right now. He doesn't need an extra fight on his hands. You do need to be able to handle more than one thing at once, but be reasonable.
EDIT: Oh, and the economy. I forgot the economy.
It's Rust.
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Oh, wow, you just go ahead and pick your favorite part about this article. (Guest appearance by Lincoln Davis, D-TN.)
Cigarettes at center of new 'Buy American' flap
By Ian Swanson
Posted: 06/20/09 04:53 PM [ET]
Tobacco country lawmakers are seething over a bill that would outlaw U.S. cigarettes in Canada.
Bill C-32, which has been approved by Canada’s House of Commons but not the Senate, would ban the use of all flavorings, except menthol, in all cigarettes.
The controversial legislation is being considered amid a debate over “Buy American†language in the $787 stimulus bill that required U.S. content in projects as long as that did not violate trade deals.
The Canadian bill’s intent is to make tobacco products less affordable and accessible to young people by prohibiting candy-flavorings in cigarettes used to turn children on to smoking.
But the ban on flavorings would also include mild flavorings used in the processing of American-blend cigarettes made from burley tobacco. The flavorings are intended to make the products taste less harsh and are not detectable to smokers, according to Roger Quarles, president of the Kentucky’s Burley Tobacco Cooperative.
Such flavorings are used in cigarettes sold under the brand names Marlboro and Camel. U.S. lawmakers argue the language would effectively ban American-blend cigarettes, since Virginia-style cigarettes would not be affected by the language.
Virginia-style cigarettes do not use burley leaf, do not include flavorings and are sold in brand names such as Rothmans.
House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (Va.) in a June 17 letter to Canada’s ambassador noted the U.S. legislation putting new regulations on tobacco, approved by the Senate just a week ago, outlawed flavors like chocolate in cigarettes but not “non-characterizing†flavors. He said he was deeply concerned by the bill.
Canada has criticized Buy American language in the stimulus for hurting Canadian businesses, and have sought an exception from the language.
But the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, an ally of Canada’s on the stimulus that opposed Buy American language, said Canada is now unfairly targeting U.S. products.
“We find it disheartening that the Canadian government is now effectively favoring one product over another in a way that uniquely damages U.S.-made products,†Myron Brilliant, the Chamber’s vice president of international affairs, wrote in a letter to the chairman of the House of Commons’s standing committee in international trade.
U.S. lawmakers from Tennessee and Kentucky also have raised the issue with Canadian officials and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. They argue the American-blend cigarettes are no more harmful to health than the Virginia-leaf cigarettes that would not be banned by the bill.
Rep. Lincoln Davis (D-Tenn.), in a letter to Canada’s minister of industry, said there’s no evidence that American blend cigarettes are more appealing to underage smokers. “Because there is no health justification for such a broad ban on flavorings,†he said the bill would violate Canada’s commitments to the World Trade Organization and under the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Those deals allow countries to impose barriers on trade for health reasons. However, since the legislation would impact burley tobacco but not the Virginia-style cigarettes, Davis and U.S. business groups say the legislation would run afoul of trade rules.
Republican members of Kentucky’s delegation urged Clinton and U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk to take action to stop “an unfair assault on a critical source of farm jobs in our country.†The letter was signed by Bunning and the state’s five GOP House members, Reps.Ed Whitfield, Harold Rogers, Ben Chandler, Geoff Davis and Brett Guthrie.
Philippe Laroche, a spokesman for Health Canada, said the bill prohibits all flavorings, including those used in American-blend cigarettes.
“We know the addition of flavours and additives makes them more appealing to youth and this is exactly the kind of marketing tactic that we want to prevent in order to protect our vulnerable youth,†he said in an e-mail.
He said there are no restrictions on the use of burley tobacco, and said Canada “is committed to respecting its international obligations.â€
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Philippe Laroche, a spokesman for Health Canada, said the bill prohibits all flavorings, including those used in American-blend cigarettes.
“We know the addition of flavours and additives makes them more appealing to youth and this is exactly the kind of marketing tactic that we want to prevent in order to protect our vulnerable youth,†he said in an e-mail.
Booze-soaked chocolate-covered meth cigarettes?
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Philippe Laroche, a spokesman for Health Canada, said the bill prohibits all flavorings, including those used in American-blend cigarettes.
“We know the addition of flavours and additives makes them more appealing to youth and this is exactly the kind of marketing tactic that we want to prevent in order to protect our vulnerable youth,†he said in an e-mail.
Booze-soaked chocolate-covered meth cigarettes?
Throw some titty pictures on the carton and you've got yourself a winner.
The flavor bans are idiotic. If I, as an adult, want to smoke flavored tabacco, there should be nothing stopping me. Neither flavorings nor cigarettes are independantly illegal.
That said, we can't really blame canada for this after our whole buy american schtick (which I do support, to an extent.)
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The flavor bans are idiotic. If I, as an adult, want to smoke flavored tabacco, there should be nothing stopping me. Neither flavorings nor cigarettes are independantly illegal.
That said, we can't really blame canada for this after our whole buy american schtick (which I do support, to an extent.)
Flavoring the tabacco is trying to broaden the market... Canada has for a while been trying to narrow or eliminate smoking. This isnt about buying Canadian or anything like that. Even when I smoked 10 years ago, I never saw Camel or Marlborro for sale at the 7-11 / gas station in Canada, so I'm not sure how much of a market we are really cutting off.
In her June newsletter, State Rep. Cynthia Davis (R-MO) provided several “commentaries” to a press release from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services on a summer food program. The program provides “food during the summer for thousands of low-income Missouri children who rely on the school cafeteria for free or reduced-price meals during the regular school year.” Davis, who serves as the chairwoman of the Missouri House Special Standing Committee on Children and Families, questioned whether the program is “warranted,” and extolled the hidden benefits of child hunger:
Who’s buying dinner? Who is getting paid to serve the meal? Churches and other non-profits can do this at no cost to the taxpayer if it is warranted. [...] Bigger governmental programs take away our connectedness to the human family, our brotherhood and our need for one another. [...] Anyone under 18 can be eligible? Can’t they get a job during the summer by the time they are 16? Hunger can be a positive motivator. What is wrong with the idea of getting a job so you can get better meals? Tip: If you work for McDonald’s, they will feed you for free during your break. [...] It really is all about increasing government spending, which means an increase in taxes for us to buy more free lunches and breakfasts.
A report by Feeding America found that one in five Missouri children currently lives with hunger. Taking apart Davis’ other arguments, a St. Louis Post-Dispatch editorial noted that most of the summer feeding program sites are actually hosted by churches and that the program, which is funded by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, fed 3.7 million meals at a total cost of less than $9.5 million last summer — “a pretty good use of federal money.” (HT: DailyKos diarist Dem Beans)
No word if she said if the children need tax payer funds they should die off to decrease the excess population
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For some reason you think that we consider everything Obama and his administration says and does to be the gospel that we will never question. When did you start confusing us for Republicans worshiping at the altar of Reagan?
Wow is this guy stupid. I love the Herm Edwards-style "Hello?!"
What the hell is Steele doing?
"Some people don't have access to health care so we should figure out who they are and get them access to health care."
Provided, of course, that this does not actually involve figuring out who these people are and getting them access to health care.
Your average dude sitting on the tailgate of a pickup drinking beer from a muddy cooler has more well-formulated positions than that.
I had better opinions about politics and infrastructure when I was 10.
He can't possibly be that stupid, can he?
I can't parse that sentence. I just can't. There is no reason in it.
This was on some sort of talk radio show, so the possibilities for stupidity are practically bottomless. Nobody was looking to be informed here.
which i suppose is the idea
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Actually, his main issue seems to be that he doesn't realize that in the current system, healthcare costs money - people don't have access because they can't pay for it. Steele wants to just "get them access"... not thinking about money...
STEELE IS A SOCIALIST!
It's not even an issue of cost. I'm young and virile, having never been inside an emergency room in my life. The worst thing I've ever gotten was an ingrown toenail. If I were rich then yes I could have the pick of the litter of coverage. However, what if I had non-hodgkins lymphoma? Or hell, even just a mild pre-existing condition? Where can I get access to health insurance, regardless of whether or not I'm a Rockefeller?
Because he has good health insurance.
You can beat him up with a tire iron, but all those stitches and casts'll be free.
At least he's not a loudmouth like that cunthole Steve.
Is that the one who's trying to marry Adam?
The release or withholding of those pictures is important and not important, depending on what you want to do. If you're releasing those pictures as a part of a larger effort to change the image of the United States as a nation that doesn't torture people, then it's important. If you don't give a shit about that, then whatever, what you won't matter a whole lot because pretty much everyone assumes the worst about the US now and that isn't changing until someone cares enough to want to change it.
Isn't that someone Obama and isn't he already doing it?
I don't know.
Drunken baby steps.
It's starting to feel that way about a lot of things, actually...
I'm still giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, but this is about a perfect a time as he's ever going to get to accomplish this stuff.
Well I can end that ambiguity for you (it's the second one, that's what he's doing).
He just can't deal with it right now. He doesn't need an extra fight on his hands. You do need to be able to handle more than one thing at once, but be reasonable.
EDIT: Oh, and the economy. I forgot the economy.
It's Rust.
Booze-soaked chocolate-covered meth cigarettes?
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Throw some titty pictures on the carton and you've got yourself a winner.
That said, we can't really blame canada for this after our whole buy american schtick (which I do support, to an extent.)
Well yeah.
Btw, is your sig by chance a crop of a dude with a hyena? If so can I get a source? I have something similar on my desktop.
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Flavoring the tabacco is trying to broaden the market... Canada has for a while been trying to narrow or eliminate smoking. This isnt about buying Canadian or anything like that. Even when I smoked 10 years ago, I never saw Camel or Marlborro for sale at the 7-11 / gas station in Canada, so I'm not sure how much of a market we are really cutting off.
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No word if she said if the children need tax payer funds they should die off to decrease the excess population
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