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[Abstinence] Sex and the Lack There Of

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    For each analogy you use in a debate, chances are theres an equal or better analogy to be used by the other side.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    OK

    We're talking about nutritional deficiencies being overcome with vitamin pills, the importance of being up-front with the desire to not fuck in a relationship, the importance of sex to a relationship, the likelihood of divorce and factors surrounding it, etc.

    Which post in particular are you pointing that post at, or did you decide it was show and tell time?

  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    OK

    We're talking about nutritional deficiencies being overcome with vitamin pills, the importance of being up-front with the desire to not fuck in a relationship, the importance of sex to a relationship, the likelihood of divorce and factors surrounding it, etc.

    Which post in particular are you pointing that post at, or did you decide it was show and tell time?

    I just thought it was a funny comic, given the topic at hand. Wasn't directed at anyone.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    It is kind of funny, I love the images they use.

  • TwoQuestionsTwoQuestions Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I have a question about a friend.

    Se comes from an extremely conservative household, so she's laughably innocent. I tease her about it sometimes, and it's usually a good laugh for both of us, and if it isn't I usually get her a slushie to apologize. She still invites me over to her dorm on occasion, so I haven't pissed her off yet :)

    Enough backstory, we were watching Super Troopers and it got to the point where one of the officers was wanking to the billboard, and she didn't know what he was doing. Here's the dialog:

    Her: What's he doing?

    Me: Jacking off.

    Her: Jacking off?

    Me: You know, masturbating?

    Her: Masturbating?

    Me: *facepalm*

    She didn't know what masturbation was for FSM's sake! Is there a site she can go to find out about these things so she can get the constant sexual references in movies and stuff?

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  • VariableVariable Ted Hitler Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    show her, preferably in a sexy, non-pervy way.

    I don't think I could pull it off but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    That is a terrible crime :(

    Also, linky?

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I have a question about a friend.

    Se comes from an extremely conservative household, so she's laughably innocent. I tease her about it sometimes, and it's usually a good laugh for both of us, and if it isn't I usually get her a slushie to apologize. She still invites me over to her dorm on occasion, so I haven't pissed her off yet :)

    Enough backstory, we were watching Super Troopers and it got to the point where one of the officers was wanking to the billboard, and she didn't know what he was doing. Here's the dialog:

    Her: What's he doing?

    Me: Jacking off.

    Her: Jacking off?

    Me: You know, masturbating?

    Her: Masturbating?

    Me: *facepalm*

    She didn't know what masturbation was for FSM's sake! Is there a site she can go to find out about these things so she can get the constant sexual references in movies and stuff?

    How can someone get through high school and go to college without hearing about wanking. I call bullshit or what the fuck homeschool jesus christ.

    Wait until you tell her that penis goes in vagina.

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I am at a loss for words .... how can someone go through life and not know about masturbation? I mean its ... what ... err ...

  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    There is always the option that she knows that people "touch themselves" but never heard the word masturbation.

    And it is possible that she went to public school but her parents threw a fit and had her taken out of the classroom for all the sex-ed related talks.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Did you go to public school? Sex ed was 9493x tamer then normal classroom discussion

  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Yes I went to public school. And when I got to college I was teaser mercilessly by my roommate for being naive b/c I didn't get sexual slang, even for stuff I had done before.

    If somebody got pulled from the actual sex ed and missed the slang like me I think it would be plenty possible to be as naive as this girl.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I can't imagine having parents that do that ... I mean ... why? Its not like they show pr0n in the sex-ed ... or do live demonstrations or some such ...

  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    I can't imagine having parents that do that ... I mean ... why? Its not like they show pr0n in the sex-ed ... or do live demonstrations or some such ...

    They didn't? Oh my God...

  • WMain00WMain00 Registered User
    edited August 2009
    Sex-ed, if I recall, never really taught us about masterbation. It was sort of a "figure it out yourself folks" session.

    In fact come to think of it all our sex-ed classes were rather useless and I went to a normal school. They were all suggestive rather than "Here's a porn video kids, watch and learn."

    Basically what you need to do is get out a diagram and show here scientifically!

    If she's good looking consider hands on experimentation :winky:

    Ahem.

  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    You never had to put condoms on cucumbers?

    Consider yourself lucky.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Holy shit, they really had you put condoms on cucumbers? That's pretty funny. Though I guess it would have helped me out. :winky:

    ... But seriously that would be so awkward for high school urahonky.

  • WMain00WMain00 Registered User
    edited August 2009
    Not once. Once again that was...well er, rather self explanatory when you do it the first time...

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Sex-ed, if I recall, never really taught us about masterbation. It was sort of a "figure it out yourself folks" session.

    In fact come to think of it all our sex-ed classes were rather useless and I went to a normal school. They were all suggestive rather than "Here's a porn video kids, watch and learn."

    Basically what you need to do is get out a diagram and show here scientifically!

    If she's good looking consider hands on experimentation :winky:

    Ahem.

    In one of my sex-ed classes (the ones that got gender segregated - i think 6th grade) the teacher passed a box around and had us anonymously write any questions we had on pieces of paper, which he would then answer. I'd heard the word but didn't really understand it, so I wrote "What is masturbation?" It got easily the biggest laugh of all the questions. The teacher's explanation of "when a boy plays with his penis, usually to the point of orgasm" didn't really help me much - "plays with" made me picture a motion like a kitten batting a ball on a string around - but really there wasn't much more the guy could say and keep control of the class.

  • WMain00WMain00 Registered User
    edited August 2009
    KalTorak wrote: »
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Sex-ed, if I recall, never really taught us about masterbation. It was sort of a "figure it out yourself folks" session.

    In fact come to think of it all our sex-ed classes were rather useless and I went to a normal school. They were all suggestive rather than "Here's a porn video kids, watch and learn."

    Basically what you need to do is get out a diagram and show here scientifically!

    If she's good looking consider hands on experimentation :winky:

    Ahem.

    In one of my sex-ed classes (the ones that got gender segregated - i think 6th grade) the teacher passed a box around and had us anonymously write any questions we had on pieces of paper, which he would then answer. I'd heard the word but didn't really understand it, so I wrote "What is masturbation?" It got easily the biggest laugh of all the questions. The teacher's explanation of "when a boy plays with his penis, usually to the point of orgasm" didn't really help me much - "plays with" made me picture a motion like a kitten batting a ball on a string around - but really there wasn't much more the guy could say and keep control of the class.

    I think the natural taboo of sex and unfortunately dimble faced giggly teenagers effectively kills any real effective teaching of the subject. It becomes more of a question of going "Look, this goes there, you both enjoy it, WEAR PROTECTION!" and off you go. If I recall our sex-ed classes were very protection oriented; a case I imagine of 'if we can't teach them sex without giggling at least we can tell them the bad things that happen'

    How do you really tell kids from around 13 to 16 "this is what happens" without them giggling? I suppose we could teach them from 16 onwards, though with the current rates of teenage sex I imagine it would be rather difficult.

    In the end it's all down to experimentation!

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    I can't imagine having parents that do that ... I mean ... why? Its not like they show pr0n in the sex-ed ... or do live demonstrations or some such ...

    They didn't? Oh my God...

    Sex ed is one of those things that varies massively instructor to instructor.

  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Santabreaker PresentslayerRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I think this topic and the baby topic could merge.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    how is babby maed

    I hear if you eat green m+ms and douche with coke you can't get pregnant

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well ... I don't remember exactly, but I think we didn't have sex-ed classes. Some stuff was covered in biology, I think in 6th or 7th grade ... but other than that, I only remember teachers telling us "wear protection" before we'd go on a class trip for a couple of days.

    I imagine it would be worlds easier as a parent these days to tell your kid about it tho ... just plant him in front of the computer, call up some wikipedia site and tell the kid to read it. Removes the whole akward giggling and writing anonymus questions in class at least.

    Than again, showing him how he can find such stuff on the intarwebs opens a whole other can of worms.

  • KistraKistra Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    Holy shit, they really had you put condoms on cucumbers? That's pretty funny. Though I guess it would have helped me out. :winky:

    ... But seriously that would be so awkward for high school urahonky.

    The teacher put a condom on a cucumber as a demonstration.

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  • TL DRTL DR Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    WMain00 wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Sex-ed, if I recall, never really taught us about masterbation. It was sort of a "figure it out yourself folks" session.

    In fact come to think of it all our sex-ed classes were rather useless and I went to a normal school. They were all suggestive rather than "Here's a porn video kids, watch and learn."

    Basically what you need to do is get out a diagram and show here scientifically!

    If she's good looking consider hands on experimentation :winky:

    Ahem.

    In one of my sex-ed classes (the ones that got gender segregated - i think 6th grade) the teacher passed a box around and had us anonymously write any questions we had on pieces of paper, which he would then answer. I'd heard the word but didn't really understand it, so I wrote "What is masturbation?" It got easily the biggest laugh of all the questions. The teacher's explanation of "when a boy plays with his penis, usually to the point of orgasm" didn't really help me much - "plays with" made me picture a motion like a kitten batting a ball on a string around - but really there wasn't much more the guy could say and keep control of the class.

    I think the natural taboo of sex and unfortunately dimble faced giggly teenagers effectively kills any real effective teaching of the subject. It becomes more of a question of going "Look, this goes there, you both enjoy it, WEAR PROTECTION!" and off you go. If I recall our sex-ed classes were very protection oriented; a case I imagine of 'if we can't teach them sex without giggling at least we can tell them the bad things that happen'

    How do you really tell kids from around 13 to 16 "this is what happens" without them giggling? I suppose we could teach them from 16 onwards, though with the current rates of teenage sex I imagine it would be rather difficult.

    In the end it's all down to experimentation!

    You got off lucky. I had weeks of ALL CONDOMS HAVE HOLES BIG ENOUGH FOR A MILLION BILLION STDS AND YOU WILL DIE AND YOUR WIENER WILL FALL OFF UNLESS YOU DON'T HAVE SEX AT ALL EVER

    Then I took Human Sexuality in high school, reasoning that it might be worthwhile. 50% of the class was the teacher gloating about how much better her class was than the normal Sex Ed for middle schoolers. %20 was useless filler like weekly projects on shit out of the textbook. Why yes, Billy, that's a great review of what we did on Monday. Now let's see Jennie do the same fucking thing and then the teacher can hand out grades based on who she likes more. 10% was interesting sex-related stuff. %20 was state-mandated "health class" curriculum about the difference between physical and mental health or some shit. Our final assignment was to write the governor about the class and our feelings on it. I wrote him three pages, basically outlining how poorly it was handled. Got an F.

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  • WMain00WMain00 Registered User
    edited August 2009
    Totally worth it, though? :lol:

    Out of interest how bad is it really over in America when it comes to sex-ed and religion etc? Is it really a case of "IF YOU HAVE SEX GOD WILL MOLEST YOU!" or is that just an urban myth?

  • ChanusChanus Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Totally worth it, though? :lol:

    Out of interest how bad is it really over in America when it comes to sex-ed and religion etc? Is it really a case of "IF YOU HAVE SEX GOD WILL MOLEST YOU!" or is that just an urban myth?

    It's mostly an urban myth when it comes to the actual education (except perhaps in private schools run by religious fundanutsalists).

    It is, however, the motivation for a lot of nutjobs behind abstinence-only education.

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited August 2009
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Totally worth it, though? :lol:

    Out of interest how bad is it really over in America when it comes to sex-ed and religion etc? Is it really a case of "IF YOU HAVE SEX GOD WILL MOLEST YOU!" or is that just an urban myth?

    Well, I had Catholic Sex Ed in my middle school sunday school sessions. It basically went over how awesome sex is, greatest gift from god, etc... but if you wear a rubber you are committing a grave sin, and if you have sex out of marriage you will burn... but the rubber/pill was made out to be the far greater sin... like, you can't repent for it.

    Also, masturbation was a sin almost as bad as the rubber, because it did the same thing (spilling seed to the earth or somesuch nonsense).

    Needless to say, I ignored the SHIT out of everything they told me.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    syndalis wrote: »
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Totally worth it, though? :lol:

    Out of interest how bad is it really over in America when it comes to sex-ed and religion etc? Is it really a case of "IF YOU HAVE SEX GOD WILL MOLEST YOU!" or is that just an urban myth?

    Well, I had Catholic Sex Ed in my middle school sunday school sessions. It basically went over how awesome sex is, greatest gift from god, etc... but if you wear a rubber you are committing a grave sin, and if you have sex out of marriage you will burn... but the rubber/pill was made out to be the far greater sin... like, you can't repent for it.

    Also, masturbation was a sin almost as bad as the rubber, because it did the same thing (spilling seed to the earth or somesuch nonsense).

    Needless to say, I ignored the SHIT out of everything they told me.
    Of course masturbation is bad. :whistle:Every sperm is sacred:whistle:

  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    When you have a wet dream you must do ten hail mary's and sweep the church steps for a week.

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited August 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Totally worth it, though? :lol:

    Out of interest how bad is it really over in America when it comes to sex-ed and religion etc? Is it really a case of "IF YOU HAVE SEX GOD WILL MOLEST YOU!" or is that just an urban myth?

    Well, I had Catholic Sex Ed in my middle school sunday school sessions. It basically went over how awesome sex is, greatest gift from god, etc... but if you wear a rubber you are committing a grave sin, and if you have sex out of marriage you will burn... but the rubber/pill was made out to be the far greater sin... like, you can't repent for it.

    Also, masturbation was a sin almost as bad as the rubber, because it did the same thing (spilling seed to the earth or somesuch nonsense).

    Needless to say, I ignored the SHIT out of everything they told me.
    Of course masturbation is bad. :whistle:Every sperm is sacred:whistle:
    When I saw that monty python skit on television in high school, I immediately thought of this and started laughing.

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    syndalis wrote: »
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Totally worth it, though? :lol:

    Out of interest how bad is it really over in America when it comes to sex-ed and religion etc? Is it really a case of "IF YOU HAVE SEX GOD WILL MOLEST YOU!" or is that just an urban myth?

    Well, I had Catholic Sex Ed in my middle school sunday school sessions. It basically went over how awesome sex is, greatest gift from god, etc... but if you wear a rubber you are committing a grave sin, and if you have sex out of marriage you will burn... but the rubber/pill was made out to be the far greater sin... like, you can't repent for it.

    Also, masturbation was a sin almost as bad as the rubber, because it did the same thing (spilling seed to the earth or somesuch nonsense).

    Needless to say, I ignored the SHIT out of everything they told me.

    Seriously ... what the fuck? How can you tell kids that? I get where it is coming from (no pun intended), but what the fucking fuckshit?

    "So wearing a condom is a sin ... but here, have a nice STD for not being sinful."

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    When you have a wet dream you must do ten hail mary's and sweep the church steps for a week.
    Saint Augustine held that nocturnal emissions, unlike masturbation, did not pollute the conscience of a man, because they were not voluntary carnal acts, and were therefore not to be considered a sin.[12] Augustine did, however, pray that he may be released from the "glue of lust" and thus recommended the beseechment of God's assistance in clearing one's soul of all such carnal affections.[13]
    :lol: "Glue of lust".

  • ChanusChanus Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Seriously ... what the fuck? How can you tell kids that? I get where it is coming from (no pun intended), but what the fucking fuckshit?

    "So wearing a condom is a sin ... but here, have a nice STD for not being sinful."

    Well, the STD is punishment for a different sin... as people who have sex when they're married don't get STDs... AMIRITE?!

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    When you have a wet dream you must do ten hail mary's and sweep the church steps for a week.
    Saint Augustine held that nocturnal emissions, unlike masturbation, did not pollute the conscience of a man, because they were not voluntary carnal acts, and were therefore not to be considered a sin.[12] Augustine did, however, pray that he may be released from the "glue of lust" and thus recommended the beseechment of God's assistance in clearing one's soul of all such carnal affections.[13]
    :lol: "Glue of lust".

    Waking up glued to your mattress is God's punishment for those raunchy dreams Satan gave you during the night.

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Couscous wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    WMain00 wrote: »
    Totally worth it, though? :lol:

    Out of interest how bad is it really over in America when it comes to sex-ed and religion etc? Is it really a case of "IF YOU HAVE SEX GOD WILL MOLEST YOU!" or is that just an urban myth?

    Well, I had Catholic Sex Ed in my middle school sunday school sessions. It basically went over how awesome sex is, greatest gift from god, etc... but if you wear a rubber you are committing a grave sin, and if you have sex out of marriage you will burn... but the rubber/pill was made out to be the far greater sin... like, you can't repent for it.

    Also, masturbation was a sin almost as bad as the rubber, because it did the same thing (spilling seed to the earth or somesuch nonsense).

    Needless to say, I ignored the SHIT out of everything they told me.
    Of course masturbation is bad. :whistle:Every sperm is sacred:whistle:

    MUHAHAHAHA ... I never saw "The Meaning of Life", but this made me youtube the thing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

    I love it how they let a bunch of kids sing most of the song ...

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The part afterwards with the condom-wearing Protestant is pretty great too.

  • WMain00WMain00 Registered User
    edited August 2009
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    When you have a wet dream you must do ten hail mary's and sweep the church steps for a week.
    Saint Augustine held that nocturnal emissions, unlike masturbation, did not pollute the conscience of a man, because they were not voluntary carnal acts, and were therefore not to be considered a sin.[12] Augustine did, however, pray that he may be released from the "glue of lust" and thus recommended the beseechment of God's assistance in clearing one's soul of all such carnal affections.[13]
    :lol: "Glue of lust".

    Waking up glued to your mattress is God's punishment for those raunchy dreams Satan gave you during the night.

    "Hey babe, my seed is the glue that makes us stick together. :winky:"

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I believe the Sperm-spilling-is-horrible meme came from the times it was believed that the sperm was the only active part of baby making. The men provided the seed, and the women provided the field to sow it in. Nowadays we understand that it truly takes two to tango, and both man and woman provide part of the baby.

    Of course, there's still the "keep it in marriage" part of why it's considered bad,.

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