I really can't understand how one can condemn a lifestyle while secretly living said lifestyle.
You lie to your family about the kind of person you are, you actively work to destroy the lives of others and the only thing you'll do is seek help for your "condition." I'm torn between pity and loathing.
Papal aide linked to Vatican gay prostitution ring
“AT WHAT time does he have to be back in the seminary?” The question might seem innocent enough, were it not for the fact that the man asking it is a Papal Gentleman, Angelo Balducci, and the man of whom he is asking it is his pimp, Vatican chorister and Nigerian, Chinediu Thiomas Ehiem.
If Italian media sources are to be believed, then the compromising shadow of a highly active gay prostitution ring currently hangs over both the Holy See and unnamed Rome seminary colleges.
The first casualty of this potentially explosive scandal was Thiomas Ehiem, who yesterday was dismissed from the choir of the Cappella Giulia, the choir used in St Peter’s for ceremonies which do not involve the pope.
The Cappella Giulia comes under the auspices of Cardinal Angelo Comastri, arch-priest of St Peter’s.
Vatican sources pointed out that Mr Ehiem was neither a priest nor a seminary student, but a lay member of the choir.
The revelations came to light during investigations into Angelo Balducci, former head of the Italian office of public works, who was arrested last month on suspicion of corruption. This related to the awarding of a series of public contracts for major events such as last year’s G8 Summit in La Maddalena, Sardinia (later moved to L’Aquila), the 2009 World Swimming Championships, and next year’s 150th anniversary celebrations of the Unity of Italy.
Phone taps of the last two years reveal that Mr Balducci regularly contacted two men, Mr Ehiem and Lorenzo Renzi, to ask them to set up “appointments” for him, “appointments” for which he would pay up to €2,000.
Mr Balducci would ask for a description of his “escort”, and would be furnished with details of the man’s height, weight, skin colour, age and sexual availability.
Transcripts of Mr Balducci’s conversations suggest that his “escorts” came from many different backgrounds, with some being illegal immigrants who badly needed money.
Others were seminary students in Rome.
Mr Balducci, who has been a Papal Gentleman since 1995, has long worked closely with the Holy See on behalf of the Italian state, overseeing the logistical and infrastructural requirements of events such as the Holy Year in 2000, the canonisations of Padre Pio and Opus Dei founder José Maria Escriva in 2002, and the beatification of Mother Teresa in 2003.
In the context of the investigation into the office of public works, investigators believe that Mr Balducci systematically abused his position, exacting favours that ranged from a job for his son to the construction of a swimming pool by builders who had been awarded public contracts.
Investigators believe that private sector contracts for last year’s G8 Summit were inflated from an initial €290 million to €600 million.
Papal Gentlemen are those lay attendants of the pope who serve in the papal household, in the Apostolic Palace and in St Peter’s on ceremonial occasions.
Well damn, I've been beaten to the punch on the California guy. Can I still come in and parade and dance around about the hypocrisy?
Yes.
On the secret lifestyle thing, a buddy of mine is a bi man, and he's heard every flippin' excuse under the sun from would-be FBs about how they're really, not gay (or even bi). You know, they're just curious! Or, they're married so they're totally heterosexual! Or, they only do
and not
so they can't possibly be gay! Or, they only do this once in a while!
Same reason that abortion clinics regularly deal with "pro-lifers" who insist that their abortion is OK because
that's different.
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A long time ago, a friend of the family instilled this simple piece of wisdom in me; there is nothing that the human mind can't justify to itself.
In many ways, I really do think it's one of the most terrifying parts of our species. Not just that we're capable of committing either hypocritical or outright horrific acts, but that at the same time, these people may well be convinced that they're doing the right thing.
That scares me.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
"Hey guys, did we finish cutting off all funding to those faggots in washington DC because they dared to allow gay marriage? Yes? Good, cause my male prostitute is here and I don't want to miss out on my sexy time!'
The ban is mind-boggling. It was drafted due to fear of AIDS and to encourage people to continue donating and receiving transfusions - don't worry, happy donors, those mean ol' queers won't be within fifty miles of our needles! They're clean, promise! I figure everyone will look at this ban 50 years from now and shake their heads in disbelief.
The ban is mind-boggling. It was drafted due to fear of AIDS and to encourage people to continue donating and receiving transfusions - don't worry, happy donors, those mean ol' queers won't be within fifty miles of our needles! They're clean, promise! I figure everyone will look at this ban 50 years from now and shake their heads in disbelief.
Such a ban is in place in quite a few countries actually, even more liberal ones like Denmark and Canada.
The ban is mind-boggling. It was drafted due to fear of AIDS and to encourage people to continue donating and receiving transfusions - don't worry, happy donors, those mean ol' queers won't be within fifty miles of our needles! They're clean, promise! I figure everyone will look at this ban 50 years from now and shake their heads in disbelief.
Such a ban is in place in quite a few countries actually, even more liberal ones like Denmark and Canada.
Hema-Quebec had protests about that every time they had a blood drive at my university. It's a stupid, stupid ban.
Same reason that abortion clinics regularly deal with "pro-lifers" who insist that their abortion is OK because that's different.
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I wouldn't say regular, but it isn't unheard of, or even uncommon.
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The pro-lifers imagine the pro-choicers enjoy wantonly aborting fetuses just to prove they can exercise their rights and the pro-choicers imagine the pro-lifers are hypocrites, sneaking into the back doors of abortion clinics in the dead of night.
Same reason that abortion clinics regularly deal with "pro-lifers" who insist that their abortion is OK because that's different.
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I wouldn't say regular, but it isn't unheard of, or even uncommon.
The only moral abortion is my abortion. It's a collection of stories from abortion providers about their interactions with pro-life women seeking abortions.
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I only read the first story there so far, and that's kind of sad. I wonder if that girl believed any of it or was just trying to make her mother happy.
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Same reason that abortion clinics regularly deal with "pro-lifers" who insist that their abortion is OK because that's different.
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I wouldn't say regular, but it isn't unheard of, or even uncommon.
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The pro-lifers imagine the pro-choicers enjoy wantonly aborting fetuses just to prove they can exercise their rights and the pro-choicers imagine the pro-lifers are hypocrites, sneaking into the back doors of abortion clinics in the dead of night.
Isn't it nice when your imagination matches up with reality?
The MSM ban in blood donation was because gay men have a high AIDS-risk factor as a population group. The statistics on that have improved substantially since the ban was in place, however, and it is dated at this point.
I really can't understand how one can condemn a lifestyle while secretly living said lifestyle.
I think it is pretty common to loathe in others what you dislike in yourself.
My thoughts exactly for many of the issues raised in this thread.
It's fine for people to be confused and hypocritical if they want to be, it's just a pain in the ass when they try to pass off their self-hate as legislation.
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IT'S A SAD THING THAT YOUR ADVENTURES HAVE ENDED HERE!!
Same reason that abortion clinics regularly deal with "pro-lifers" who insist that their abortion is OK because that's different.
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I wouldn't say regular, but it isn't unheard of, or even uncommon.
:?:
The pro-lifers imagine the pro-choicers enjoy wantonly aborting fetuses just to prove they can exercise their rights and the pro-choicers imagine the pro-lifers are hypocrites, sneaking into the back doors of abortion clinics in the dead of night.
I wonder which one of these narratives is more accurate
I tried to give blood at one point and the ban stopped me. It was not a good day, especially since they tried to make the blood drive a huge deal and push how much they needed blood, how bad the shortage was, etc.
then I got there and they wanted blood just not my blood!
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I tried to give blood at one point and the ban stopped me. It was not a good day, especially since they tried to make the blood drive a huge deal and push how much they needed blood, how bad the shortage was, etc.
then I got there and they wanted blood just not my blood!
The blood ban is a million different kinds of shitty.
Isn't it nice when your imagination matches up with reality?
Well, that's not actually reality. I don't know of any abortion clinics that are open in the dead of night. I understand that the But My Abortion Is Okay, I'm Not A Slut crowd just walks in the front door like everybody else.
Oh, that reminds me of an acquaintance-of-a-friend who is a silly goose. She has a healthy son and a severely disabled son (born with major organ failure issues); his care is paid for by Medicaid. This doesn't bother me, because of all the things I get pissed about my tax dollars being spent on, "life-saving care for infants" is kind of at the bottom.
Anyway, said silly goose approvingly quoted some rant by Rush about welfare recipients who suck off the public tit instead of paying their own way. I pointed out to her that the quote was about her. She went into a tizzy of oh no, that's different, because it's not like she's one of those people on welfare for generations, and anyway her husband (who was then in his first year of college) was going to medical school someday and he'd be a doctor and then they'd repay their debt to society.
It may have been that she meant yes, but we're white, so it's OK, come to think of it.
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It's no good for a family values Republican to get picked up on a DUI. But substantially worse to get picked up for a DUI after leaving a gay nightclub with an unidentified man in a state vehicle.
That's the sorry state that befell California state Senator Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield) early Wednesday.
In better days Ashburn, a fierce opponent of gay rights, was fighting marriage equality and organizing anti-gay marriage rallies as part of his "Traditional Family Values" campaign.
Whats that quote, the one about a dead girl and a live boy?
Which is why we need Joe Scarborough to weigh in on this to just complete the crazy.
It's no good for a family values Republican to get picked up on a DUI. But substantially worse to get picked up for a DUI after leaving a gay nightclub with an unidentified man in a state vehicle.
That's the sorry state that befell California state Senator Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield) early Wednesday.
In better days Ashburn, a fierce opponent of gay rights, was fighting marriage equality and organizing anti-gay marriage rallies as part of his "Traditional Family Values" campaign.
Fighting marriage equality and organizing anti-gay marriage rallies were considered his better days, were they? I guess it's better to just be a bigot rather than a drunken, hypocritical bigot?
Muddbudd pretty much summed up my feelings on the prostitution ring. I mean, that is just excellent. First the goose DC Catholics are all "oh well, looks like no more foster care because well, we might help a gay by accident, and we don't believe in that." Then meanwhile, back at the home office... some poor seminary student is getting on his knees to pay his tuition, and brother he ain't prayin'.
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Isn't it nice when your imagination matches up with reality?
Well, that's not actually reality. I don't know of any abortion clinics that are open in the dead of night. I understand that the But My Abortion Is Okay, I'm Not A Slut crowd just walks in the front door like everybody else.
Yeah, I reread that after I posted and wondered if I should say something like
"No one's imagining that. We know that no one does that.
They use the front door."
But I decided to leave it as it was. Because I'm lazy like that.
Isn't it nice when your imagination matches up with reality?
Well, that's not actually reality. I don't know of any abortion clinics that are open in the dead of night. I understand that the But My Abortion Is Okay, I'm Not A Slut crowd just walks in the front door like everybody else.
Yeah, I reread that after I posted and wondered if I should say something like
"No one's imagining that. We know that no one does that.
They use the front door."
But I decided to leave it as it was. Because I'm lazy like that.
Maybe more of them should have used the 'back door'
Isn't it nice when your imagination matches up with reality?
Well, that's not actually reality. I don't know of any abortion clinics that are open in the dead of night. I understand that the But My Abortion Is Okay, I'm Not A Slut crowd just walks in the front door like everybody else.
Yeah, I reread that after I posted and wondered if I should say something like
"No one's imagining that. We know that no one does that.
They use the front door."
But I decided to leave it as it was. Because I'm lazy like that.
Maybe more of them should have used the 'back door'
I wondered this in the last TOTALLY GAY thread but I didn't get a response - Is there an example of these children's books with same-sex couples in them online? I don't see how knowing gay people exist is going to encourage kids to 'turn gay'.
I wondered this in the last TOTALLY GAY thread but I didn't get a response - Is there an example of these children's books with same-sex couples in them online? I don't see how knowing gay people exist is going to encourage kids to 'turn gay'.
Because the gay is a product of the devil, and devil goods entice young people over to his side.
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You lie to your family about the kind of person you are, you actively work to destroy the lives of others and the only thing you'll do is seek help for your "condition." I'm torn between pity and loathing.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0304/1224265559432.html
Here's a link to slightly more NSFW version.
Yes.
On the secret lifestyle thing, a buddy of mine is a bi man, and he's heard every flippin' excuse under the sun from would-be FBs about how they're really, not gay (or even bi). You know, they're just curious! Or, they're married so they're totally heterosexual! Or, they only do
and not
so they can't possibly be gay! Or, they only do this once in a while! Same reason that abortion clinics regularly deal with "pro-lifers" who insist that their abortion is OK because
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In many ways, I really do think it's one of the most terrifying parts of our species. Not just that we're capable of committing either hypocritical or outright horrific acts, but that at the same time, these people may well be convinced that they're doing the right thing.
That scares me.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahhahahahahahahahahahha
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Part of me has died inside.
I think it is pretty common to loathe in others what you dislike in yourself.
"Hey guys, did we finish cutting off all funding to those faggots in washington DC because they dared to allow gay marriage? Yes? Good, cause my male prostitute is here and I don't want to miss out on my sexy time!'
Sen. Kerry wants the MSM blood donation ban lifted.
I'm surprised that it's still in effect frankly.
The ban is mind-boggling. It was drafted due to fear of AIDS and to encourage people to continue donating and receiving transfusions - don't worry, happy donors, those mean ol' queers won't be within fifty miles of our needles! They're clean, promise! I figure everyone will look at this ban 50 years from now and shake their heads in disbelief.
Such a ban is in place in quite a few countries actually, even more liberal ones like Denmark and Canada.
My thoughts exactly for many of the issues raised in this thread.
I wouldn't say regular, but it isn't unheard of, or even uncommon.
Hema-Quebec had protests about that every time they had a blood drive at my university. It's a stupid, stupid ban.
:?:
The pro-lifers imagine the pro-choicers enjoy wantonly aborting fetuses just to prove they can exercise their rights and the pro-choicers imagine the pro-lifers are hypocrites, sneaking into the back doors of abortion clinics in the dead of night.
The only moral abortion is my abortion. It's a collection of stories from abortion providers about their interactions with pro-life women seeking abortions.
Isn't it nice when your imagination matches up with reality?
I wonder which one of these narratives is more accurate
then I got there and they wanted blood just not my blood!
The blood ban is a million different kinds of shitty.
Well, that's not actually reality. I don't know of any abortion clinics that are open in the dead of night. I understand that the But My Abortion Is Okay, I'm Not A Slut crowd just walks in the front door like everybody else.
Oh, that reminds me of an acquaintance-of-a-friend who is a silly goose. She has a healthy son and a severely disabled son (born with major organ failure issues); his care is paid for by Medicaid. This doesn't bother me, because of all the things I get pissed about my tax dollars being spent on, "life-saving care for infants" is kind of at the bottom.
Anyway, said silly goose approvingly quoted some rant by Rush about welfare recipients who suck off the public tit instead of paying their own way. I pointed out to her that the quote was about her. She went into a tizzy of oh no, that's different, because it's not like she's one of those people on welfare for generations, and anyway her husband (who was then in his first year of college) was going to medical school someday and he'd be a doctor and then they'd repay their debt to society.
It may have been that she meant yes, but we're white, so it's OK, come to think of it.
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Which is why we need Joe Scarborough to weigh in on this to just complete the crazy.
Fixed so I could lime.
I'm sorry! I don't agree, I didn't know.
Also, Vatican Gay Prostitution Ring.
Words do not adequetely describe the laughter generated by this. Thank you.
Fighting marriage equality and organizing anti-gay marriage rallies were considered his better days, were they? I guess it's better to just be a bigot rather than a drunken, hypocritical bigot?
Yeah, I reread that after I posted and wondered if I should say something like
"No one's imagining that. We know that no one does that.
They use the front door."
But I decided to leave it as it was. Because I'm lazy like that.
Maybe more of them should have used the 'back door'
WOOOO!
Well, look at it this way; you're already going in for surgery. There could be complications, and who knows how long the healing process will take.
The last thing a person needs is to wake up craving cock when they used to be all about the ladies.
T_T
I wondered this in the last TOTALLY GAY thread but I didn't get a response - Is there an example of these children's books with same-sex couples in them online? I don't see how knowing gay people exist is going to encourage kids to 'turn gay'.
Because the gay is a product of the devil, and devil goods entice young people over to his side.