guys because vladimir's ultimate can hit multiple champions it is just like master yi's Q
Everyone knows that Vlad is basically just AP Yi, except better. And since Vlad's pool can affect multiple people, it's basically like having two Alpha Strikes, so it means he's twice as good.
Abilities that bounce from target to target and are used in similar manners while farming, while pushing, and in team fights are obviously totally dissimilar.
How could I be so stupid? ;_;
Because your name rhymes with cockpuppet
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Abilities that bounce from target to target and are used in similar manners while farming, while pushing, and in team fights are obviously totally dissimilar.
How could I be so stupid? ;_;
alpha strike for yi is used to close the distance between himself and the target in just about all cases
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Bounce: target a champ, hope it hits other champs
Alpha: target a champ, hope it hits other champs
As far as damage goes, cooldown becomes the deciding factor.
Alpha strike has a ten second cooldown at max level. 6 with max CDR - we'll give yi the benefit of the doubt.
Bouncing blades have no cooldown at all, and you can pump out a LOT of them over the course of 6 seconds.
I can already tell where this conversation is headed, though; Sivir vs Yi.
And of course, it's purely a matter of opinion.
yi has double-strike which is about 9-hojillion times more useful than anything sivir has
Too bad that actually trying to use it against a champion equates to instant suicide. :P
sorry, early laning game-time following up an alpastrike with a double strike takes ~50% hp off all but the fattest of fats
Yeah, the only time it equates to instant suicides is if you're completely batfuck stupid about it. I wouldn't say Yi is on my list of top most useful characters, but there are lots of times when I look at my team comp and say "Shit, I would really love to have a good Master Yi on this team."
The complaints from you and that other dude are really nonsensical and can largely be attributed to being bad at this game. There are a lot of really good players in this thread, and if you took the time to listen to their suggestions and try altering your play style a little, you might not have to resort to ignoring people when they call you on forming bad strategies with certain characters.
Meh, Yi. A fragile hyper-carry melee champion just screams "harass me shut me down make my life a living hell!" I don't like playing him and I don't like having him on my team, although I love it when one of the opposing team picks him.
Edit: Also for some reason I see a lot of guys playing Yi as a jungle. This seems really silly to me because Yi is a bad ganker and he needs so much farm. So even though he's a bad laner, you still pretty much have to play him in a lane, IMO, and give him a good babysitter so he can actually farm up. That's why he might be the single worst champion to pick in solo queue because you need a Janna or something to keep him alive in the lane.
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Bounce: target a champ, hope it hits other champs
Alpha: target a champ, hope it hits other champs
As far as damage goes, cooldown becomes the deciding factor.
Alpha strike has a ten second cooldown at max level. 6 with max CDR - we'll give yi the benefit of the doubt.
Bouncing blades have no cooldown at all, and you can pump out a LOT of them over the course of 6 seconds.
I can already tell where this conversation is headed, though; Sivir vs Yi.
And of course, it's purely a matter of opinion.
but Yi is still the worst champion in the game
ok yeah you're a really shitty troll and are ignoring why someone would use alpha strike
edit: actually here, to go against your batshit insane argument
AP yi with ~300 AP we'll say (he had a bad game) highlander->alpha kill->immediately alpha again for another kill->and another!!!->ANOTERH KILL OHMY GOD!!!->PENTA HOLY SHIT
so that's uh
my fucking made up scenario doing
roughly way fucking more damage than your made up scenario
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yi has double-strike which is about 9-hojillion times more useful than anything sivir has
Too bad that actually trying to use it against a champion equates to instant suicide. :P
sorry, early laning game-time following up an alpastrike with a double strike takes ~50% hp off all but the fattest of fats
Yeah, the only time it equates to instant suicides is if you're completely batfuck stupid about it. I wouldn't say Yi is on my list of top most useful characters, but there are lots of times when I look at my team comp and say "Shit, I would really love to have a good Master Yi on this team."
The complaints from you and that other dude are really nonsensical and can largely be attributed to being bad at this game. There are a lot of really good players in this thread, and if you took the time to listen to their suggestions and try altering your play style a little, you might not have to resort to ignoring people when they call you on forming bad strategies with certain characters.
They are trolls, ignore them
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so. I have officially sucked at this game all night. yesterday and today have equated to... Stopgap gets his ass kicked, over and over. I feel that my favorite charactor, tryndamere is just sucking right now.
Yi is pretty binary, and I feel like his success is mostly dependent on the opposing team, not on the player behind the wheel. You certainly have to satisfy a minimum skill requirement, but at some point, Yi becomes:
so. I have officially sucked at this game all night. yesterday and today have equated to... Stopgap gets his ass kicked, over and over. I feel that my favorite charactor, tryndamere is just sucking right now.
Have you tried jungling with him? I hear that is the pro way to make Trynd work.
yi has double-strike which is about 9-hojillion times more useful than anything sivir has
Too bad that actually trying to use it against a champion equates to instant suicide. :P
sorry, early laning game-time following up an alpastrike with a double strike takes ~50% hp off all but the fattest of fats
Yeah, the only time it equates to instant suicides is if you're completely batfuck stupid about it. I wouldn't say Yi is on my list of top most useful characters, but there are lots of times when I look at my team comp and say "Shit, I would really love to have a good Master Yi on this team."
The complaints from you and that other dude are really nonsensical and can largely be attributed to being bad at this game. There are a lot of really good players in this thread, and if you took the time to listen to their suggestions and try altering your play style a little, you might not have to resort to ignoring people when they call you on forming bad strategies with certain characters.
People got seriously distraught when I suggested that Sivir might be more useful than Yi, which tells me everything I need to know about the quality of players in this thread.
The dude I ignored was on an unrelated topic, and clearly just a hothead looking for an argument. No rational discussion possible = ignored.
Back on yi topic; No competent team will ever, EVER not kill yi the very instant after an alpha strike. Not to make any generalizations or anything...
yi has double-strike which is about 9-hojillion times more useful than anything sivir has
Too bad that actually trying to use it against a champion equates to instant suicide. :P
sorry, early laning game-time following up an alpastrike with a double strike takes ~50% hp off all but the fattest of fats
Yeah, the only time it equates to instant suicides is if you're completely batfuck stupid about it. I wouldn't say Yi is on my list of top most useful characters, but there are lots of times when I look at my team comp and say "Shit, I would really love to have a good Master Yi on this team."
The complaints from you and that other dude are really nonsensical and can largely be attributed to being bad at this game. There are a lot of really good players in this thread, and if you took the time to listen to their suggestions and try altering your play style a little, you might not have to resort to ignoring people when they call you on forming bad strategies with certain characters.
People got seriously distraught when I suggested that Sivir might be more useful than Yi, which tells me everything I need to know about the quality of players in this thread.
The dude I ignored was on an unrelated topic, and clearly just a hothead looking for an argument. No rational discussion possible = ignored.
Back on yi topic; No competent team will ever, EVER not kill yi the very instant after an alpha strike. Not to make any generalizations or anything...
I'm walking back into the sunlight and out from under your bridge now.
Yi is pretty binary, and I feel like his success is mostly dependent on the opposing team, not on the player behind the wheel. You certainly have to satisfy a minimum skill requirement, but at some point, Yi becomes:
Edit: Also for some reason I see a lot of guys playing Yi as a jungle. This seems really silly to me because Yi is a bad ganker and he needs so much farm. So even though he's a bad laner, you still pretty much have to play him in a lane, IMO, and give him a good babysitter so he can actually farm up. That's why he might be the single worst champion to pick in solo queue because you need a Janna or something to keep him alive in the lane.
Laning with him is a mistake, yi can jungle very fast.
Not as fast as warwick or amumu, but he can still do the job.
Witching doctor thinks I am lying with my info hooo boy. I kind of wonder what his tier list looks like if he thinks melee carries are really strong in this game
Back on yi topic; No competent team will ever, EVER not kill yi the very instant after an alpha strike. Not to make any generalizations or anything...
No competent yi will alpha strike into a team though.
He's not supposed to fly into the middle of 5 people and win the videogame. He is really fantastic 1 on 1 or coming in after the initial kaboom of any teamfight and mopping up
Spaceman... what have you done to the PA community!?!?
This wouldn't have happened in Mooman's thread.
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Hey you know what's fine?
Sion.
He can kill you by looking at you funny.
edit OH FINE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FUCKING YI
if you alpha strike to initiate you got problems, Yi needs everyone to have used up their juice already so basically you alpha strike according to The Situation
yi has double-strike which is about 9-hojillion times more useful than anything sivir has
Too bad that actually trying to use it against a champion equates to instant suicide. :P
sorry, early laning game-time following up an alpastrike with a double strike takes ~50% hp off all but the fattest of fats
Yeah, the only time it equates to instant suicides is if you're completely batfuck stupid about it. I wouldn't say Yi is on my list of top most useful characters, but there are lots of times when I look at my team comp and say "Shit, I would really love to have a good Master Yi on this team."
The complaints from you and that other dude are really nonsensical and can largely be attributed to being bad at this game. There are a lot of really good players in this thread, and if you took the time to listen to their suggestions and try altering your play style a little, you might not have to resort to ignoring people when they call you on forming bad strategies with certain characters.
People got seriously distraught when I suggested that Sivir might be more useful than Yi, which tells me everything I need to know about the quality of players in this thread.
The dude I ignored was on an unrelated topic, and clearly just a hothead looking for an argument. No rational discussion possible = ignored.
Back on yi topic; No competent team will ever, EVER not kill yi the very instant after an alpha strike. Not to make any generalizations or anything...
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also sivir's is based on AD and AS whereas yi's is entirely ap based
EDIT: He shoots mini-Yis that do Alpha Strike but it's all so fast you just see the gusts
not gonna lie, i lol'd
oh man
fractal yi
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That Spaceman cat is such a douchebag.
yi has double-strike which is about 9-hojillion times more useful than anything sivir has
If a custom skin maker could get on this it would be the best thing.
Of course they're not "the same".
But they are functionally similar. Why split hairs?
smoke trees
alpha strike for yi is used to close the distance between himself and the target in just about all cases
Because your name rhymes with cockpuppet
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Too bad that actually trying to use it against a champion equates to instant suicide. :P
I don't think it's splitting hair. I think they're functionally very different in the way they're used and the damage they deal.
sorry, early laning game-time following up an alpastrike with a double strike takes ~50% hp off all but the fattest of fats
what pacific saiCAWCAWCAW!!1
Alpha: target a champ, hope it hits other champs
As far as damage goes, cooldown becomes the deciding factor.
Alpha strike has a ten second cooldown at max level. 6 with max CDR - we'll give yi the benefit of the doubt.
Bouncing blades have no cooldown at all, and you can pump out a LOT of them over the course of 6 seconds.
I can already tell where this conversation is headed, though; Sivir vs Yi.
And of course, it's purely a matter of opinion.
Yeah, the only time it equates to instant suicides is if you're completely batfuck stupid about it. I wouldn't say Yi is on my list of top most useful characters, but there are lots of times when I look at my team comp and say "Shit, I would really love to have a good Master Yi on this team."
The complaints from you and that other dude are really nonsensical and can largely be attributed to being bad at this game. There are a lot of really good players in this thread, and if you took the time to listen to their suggestions and try altering your play style a little, you might not have to resort to ignoring people when they call you on forming bad strategies with certain characters.
Edit: Also for some reason I see a lot of guys playing Yi as a jungle. This seems really silly to me because Yi is a bad ganker and he needs so much farm. So even though he's a bad laner, you still pretty much have to play him in a lane, IMO, and give him a good babysitter so he can actually farm up. That's why he might be the single worst champion to pick in solo queue because you need a Janna or something to keep him alive in the lane.
ok yeah you're a really shitty troll and are ignoring why someone would use alpha strike
edit: actually here, to go against your batshit insane argument
AP yi with ~300 AP we'll say (he had a bad game) highlander->alpha kill->immediately alpha again for another kill->and another!!!->ANOTERH KILL OHMY GOD!!!->PENTA HOLY SHIT
so that's uh
my fucking made up scenario doing
roughly way fucking more damage than your made up scenario
They are trolls, ignore them
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I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
but i say that about a new champion every week
but hes REALLY fun
double strike is hilarious, wuju style is hilarious, highlander chains are hilarious
Do they have multiple exhausts or hard CC's?
If yes: Bend over.
If no: Bend them over.
Have you tried jungling with him? I hear that is the pro way to make Trynd work.
People got seriously distraught when I suggested that Sivir might be more useful than Yi, which tells me everything I need to know about the quality of players in this thread.
The dude I ignored was on an unrelated topic, and clearly just a hothead looking for an argument. No rational discussion possible = ignored.
Back on yi topic; No competent team will ever, EVER not kill yi the very instant after an alpha strike. Not to make any generalizations or anything...
And I never brick.
I'm walking back into the sunlight and out from under your bridge now.
Voice of reason.
Thank you.
Laning with him is a mistake, yi can jungle very fast.
Not as fast as warwick or amumu, but he can still do the job.
Witching doctor thinks I am lying with my info hooo boy. I kind of wonder what his tier list looks like if he thinks melee carries are really strong in this game
No competent yi will alpha strike into a team though.
He's not supposed to fly into the middle of 5 people and win the videogame. He is really fantastic 1 on 1 or coming in after the initial kaboom of any teamfight and mopping up
This wouldn't have happened in Mooman's thread.
Sion.
He can kill you by looking at you funny.
edit OH FINE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FUCKING YI
if you alpha strike to initiate you got problems, Yi needs everyone to have used up their juice already so basically you alpha strike according to The Situation
somebody quote this so he's forced to read it and actually answer my question