Still, unprecedented levels of crazy during that debate.
Romney did pretty well sounding presidential and presenting like he's on top.
Romney had one really good moment (to my eyes) when he called out the religious test shenaniganry.
But he won mostly by not being at all memorable. He's in the position where a good impression does him virtually no good but a bad impression can really hurt him. He made it through the debate making NO impression whatsoever.
Newt was doing ok until he made a mid-debate recalculation and warped straight into crazytown.
My comments about Newt were from a Republican standpoint. Considering his losses, Newt's goal was to show he still deserves fundraising money. Considering his lack of staff, he did pretty well.
As a liberal, he and the rest were just flat out crazy.
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CNN just fact slammed Bachmann's comment on liberal's omnibus bills.
Romney had one really good moment (to my eyes) when he called out the religious test shenaniganry.
I actually was frustrated with this part of the debate. This nonsense about sharia law is infuriating. Someone should just say, Sharia law, christian law, any divine law cannot be Constitutional.
My comments about Newt were from a Republican standpoint. Considering his losses, Newt's goal was to show he still deserves fundraising money. Considering his lack of staff, he did pretty well.
Pfft. This is an argument that you're supposed to make for people you've never heard of, not someone with whom you're on a figurative first name basis. "Considering his mom is his campaign manager, Herman Cain did great!" That sort of thing.
Pfft. This is an argument that you're supposed to make for people you've never heard of, not someone with whom you're on a figurative first name basis. "Considering his mom is his campaign manager, Herman Cain did great!" That sort of thing.
I'm just saying I think his measure of success is if he can get some increased campaign funding. Right now his campaign is on serious life support. If he can persuade donors that he is still good, which I think he did, then he wins. Everyone else on that stage didn't have much to lose except Romney, if he spit the bit. Newt on the other hand is likely finished if he can't convince donors to give him more money.
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Anderson Cooper was rendered speechless by senselessness.
CNN just fact slammed Bachmann's comment on liberal's omnibus bills.
CNN can always be counted on to call out misinformation and bullshit when it makes the least difference.
I was going to ask why facts would be at all relevant to the situation at hand.
Bachman did very well tonight. She threw out a lot of easy applause lines, and she stayed disturbingly on message then entire time (when she wasn't bashing Obama). I agree to some extent that the best Romney could hope for was zero impact, but he seemed almost invisible there and assuming somebody somewhere outside of New Hampshire was watching, that could hurt him later on.
Meanwhile, I believe it was T-Paw who decided tonight would be a good time to tell Iowa he wasn't going to bother with their primary.
Gingrich and Cain both took the light rail to crazy town and then burned the track because public transportation is a socialist trap.
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OK, I was in class and missed most of the debate, just catching the recap. Did Gingrich really say we should do loyalty test for people in government? McCarthy style?
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Gibbs is about to smash the crap out of the debate.
Pfft. This is an argument that you're supposed to make for people you've never heard of, not someone with whom you're on a figurative first name basis. "Considering his mom is his campaign manager, Herman Cain did great!" That sort of thing.
I'm just saying I think his measure of success is if he can get some increased campaign funding. Right now his campaign is on serious life support. If he can persuade donors that he is still good, which I think he did, then he wins. Everyone else on that stage didn't have much to lose except Romney, if he spit the bit. Newt on the other hand is likely finished if he can't convince donors to give him more money.
I may be proven wrong, but considering his problem is that he's a lazy fundraiser in the first place, my guess is he's done regardless. Bundlers and people who write $2300 checks don't jump off the couch and hunt for their pocket books just because they saw a debate.
The thing that's important to remember about Newt Gingrich is that, yes, he may have been the Speaker of the House, but he has never in his life run a campaign before an electorate larger than a single Congressional District. He has no idea how much work this actually takes.
Yeah, but remember, A lot of government workers HATE america AND the Constitution so.... it was justified....if you are nuts. You also missed Bachman saying the words "president Bish" I think T-Paw actually did really poorly in this debate. He didn't sound relevant and gave the finger to Iowa, they love themselves some ethanol.
I don't get what the fascination is with Paul but man. I think he did very poorly. His answers weren't very cogent and in many cases he sounded like this "Rambling.....The Fed.......Rambling...Printing money....rambling....The Fed"
OK, I was in class and missed most of the debate, just catching the recap. Did Gingrich really say we should do loyalty test for people in government? McCarthy style?
No, he said that it doesn't matter if Muslims take loyalty oaths, because they just lie in order to carry out terrorist bombings, so we should root them out like the Nazis and Communists.
Yes, Newt Gingrich just made Joe McCarthy seem sane in comparison.
OK, I was in class and missed most of the debate, just catching the recap. Did Gingrich really say we should do loyalty test for people in government? McCarthy style?
He also implied support for Japanese internment camps, and using slave labor to get to space.
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OK, I was in class and missed most of the debate, just catching the recap. Did Gingrich really say we should do loyalty test for people in government? McCarthy style?
He also implied support for Japanese internment camps, and using slave labor to get to space.
Thanatos, your history sucks. The first transcontinental railroad was built from 1863-1869 by the Union and then the US. The Union Pacific (Nebraska -> west) laborers were Irish and veterans, for the most part.
The Central Pacific (Caifornia -> east) was built by Chinese emigrants. Not well paid, but not slaves.
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I must say, reading the commentary while being bored at work makes me wish I ws home watching it.
Thanatos, your history sucks. The first transcontinental railroad was built from 1863-1869 by the Union and then the US. The Union Pacific (Nebraska -> west) laborers were Irish and veterans, for the most part.
The Central Pacific (Caifornia -> east) was built by Chinese emigrants. Not well paid, but not slaves.
Would you prefer I use some other term to describe the Chinese immigrant labor?
"Sweatshop labor," maybe? Seems like it's being kind of hard on sweatshops, though.
Shouldn't be too hard to find the whole debate on a place like c-span or npr.
CNN's reairing it at 11pm and 2am ET tonight with Anderson Cooper filling in the gaps. I suppose that's not very helpful if you're working the graveyard shift, though.
Thanatos, your history sucks. The first transcontinental railroad was built from 1863-1869 by the Union and then the US. The Union Pacific (Nebraska -> west) laborers were Irish and veterans, for the most part.
The Central Pacific (Caifornia -> east) was built by Chinese emigrants. Not well paid, but not slaves.
Would you prefer I use some other term to describe the Chinese immigrant labor?
"Sweatshop labor," maybe? Seems like it's being kind of hard on sweatshops, though.
coolies is what the British called them. seems accurate enough. Sort of indentured labor, and we'd deport them when we finished things.
Been watching the replay of the debate since I missed most of it due to the Indians/Yankees game. Was Cain the only non-Caucasian in the room? I didn't watch the previous debate, but this was pretty much 2 hours of self-parody. Cripes was that painful to watch. I really can't wait for the day when debates are live-fact checked, preferably on air.
I'd also love a picture of the guy with the gray beard who was red faced and had his head in his hands. It's probably wishful thinking for one to be produced, though.
Watching it a second time skipping most of the dead air and meaningless "Thank you for being a real American!" talk that they prattle out every question I'm still saying Bachmann gained the most from all this.
Several of her lines absolutely killed, she got great applause on the "I'm running for President" bit and the "Fuck the French" bits specifically.
Seriously, CNN and a lot of the hardcore Republic Wingnut sites are backing Bachmann (with some outside support for Newt and his "Enslave the Muslims" agenda).
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Are you kidding? Newt won the crazy-off. Which was the real contest.
Romney did pretty well sounding presidential and presenting like he's on top.
Pawlenty: "We're not Portugal.... If China can have 5% growth we can have 5% growth."
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if you don't believe in that then you don't believe in America!
Was this intentional? Because he said that.
But he won mostly by not being at all memorable. He's in the position where a good impression does him virtually no good but a bad impression can really hurt him. He made it through the debate making NO impression whatsoever.
Newt was doing ok until he made a mid-debate recalculation and warped straight into crazytown.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
As a liberal, he and the rest were just flat out crazy.
I actually was frustrated with this part of the debate. This nonsense about sharia law is infuriating. Someone should just say, Sharia law, christian law, any divine law cannot be Constitutional.
Pfft. This is an argument that you're supposed to make for people you've never heard of, not someone with whom you're on a figurative first name basis. "Considering his mom is his campaign manager, Herman Cain did great!" That sort of thing.
The one that deemphasized counterterrorism and allowed 9/11 to happen. Also George W Bush.
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I thought that was understood.
I'm just saying I think his measure of success is if he can get some increased campaign funding. Right now his campaign is on serious life support. If he can persuade donors that he is still good, which I think he did, then he wins. Everyone else on that stage didn't have much to lose except Romney, if he spit the bit. Newt on the other hand is likely finished if he can't convince donors to give him more money.
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I was going to ask why facts would be at all relevant to the situation at hand.
Bachman did very well tonight. She threw out a lot of easy applause lines, and she stayed disturbingly on message then entire time (when she wasn't bashing Obama). I agree to some extent that the best Romney could hope for was zero impact, but he seemed almost invisible there and assuming somebody somewhere outside of New Hampshire was watching, that could hurt him later on.
Meanwhile, I believe it was T-Paw who decided tonight would be a good time to tell Iowa he wasn't going to bother with their primary.
Gingrich and Cain both took the light rail to crazy town and then burned the track because public transportation is a socialist trap.
Santorum is just sad, and Paul is just nuts.
The real winner here tonight was America.
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Is this streaming anywhere?
Krugman mentioned him saying that last week.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/why-i-dont-believe-in-the-american-people/
I may be proven wrong, but considering his problem is that he's a lazy fundraiser in the first place, my guess is he's done regardless. Bundlers and people who write $2300 checks don't jump off the couch and hunt for their pocket books just because they saw a debate.
The thing that's important to remember about Newt Gingrich is that, yes, he may have been the Speaker of the House, but he has never in his life run a campaign before an electorate larger than a single Congressional District. He has no idea how much work this actually takes.
I don't get what the fascination is with Paul but man. I think he did very poorly. His answers weren't very cogent and in many cases he sounded like this "Rambling.....The Fed.......Rambling...Printing money....rambling....The Fed"
No, he said that it doesn't matter if Muslims take loyalty oaths, because they just lie in order to carry out terrorist bombings, so we should root them out like the Nazis and Communists.
Yes, Newt Gingrich just made Joe McCarthy seem sane in comparison.
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indeed.
The Central Pacific (Caifornia -> east) was built by Chinese emigrants. Not well paid, but not slaves.
I shall have to hunt down highlight reels...
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"Sweatshop labor," maybe? Seems like it's being kind of hard on sweatshops, though.
CNN's reairing it at 11pm and 2am ET tonight with Anderson Cooper filling in the gaps. I suppose that's not very helpful if you're working the graveyard shift, though.
coolies is what the British called them. seems accurate enough. Sort of indentured labor, and we'd deport them when we finished things.
I'd also love a picture of the guy with the gray beard who was red faced and had his head in his hands. It's probably wishful thinking for one to be produced, though.
Several of her lines absolutely killed, she got great applause on the "I'm running for President" bit and the "Fuck the French" bits specifically.
Seriously, CNN and a lot of the hardcore Republic Wingnut sites are backing Bachmann (with some outside support for Newt and his "Enslave the Muslims" agenda).
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